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Erdogan wants to contain Syria’s Kurdish rebels at all costs

 

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ANKARA: -- In a joint operation with the US military Turkey has launched its largest incursion into Syria yet, with the aim of taking control of the border town of Jarablus away from ISIL.

 

ISIL, also known as Daesh, has reportedly shelled southern Turkey from the town in recent days.

 

“This morning our army started an operation against terrorist organisations like Daesh and the PYD in northern Syria who have been threatening our country, our security forces,” Erdogan said, referring to the Kurdish Democratic Union Party.

 

Fighters from the more moderate Free Syrian Army have been crossing into Syria from Turkey to occupy Jarablus as both Turkey and the US hope to install them into Jarablus.

 

But for Erdogan limiting the advance of the Kurdish rebels is actually more important than defeating ISIL.

 

“Turkey is trying to give support to the Free Syrian Army existence there, the moderate forces, so that if possible they can regain this land piece from Daesh in Jarablus, before the PYD,” Nursin Atesoglu Guney an international relations professor at Yildiz Technical University in Istanbul said.

 

Turkey wants to avoid at all costs what happened in the town of Manbij on Tuesday. It was liberated from ISIL control but by an assortment of Syrian rebels which included Kurdish PYD fighters.

 

Keeping Kurdish fighters away from the Syrian border is a crucial aim for Erdogan. If Jarablus fell to the Kurdish YPG fighters it would mean a whole swathe of the Syrian border would be controlled by the Kurds.

 

Turkey regards the YPG as an ally of the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK, which has been fighting for autonomy since the 1980s.

But the relationship with the United States may get in the way of Erdogan’s political strategy.

 

In what seems to be a bid to limit America’s influence in the region Erdogan has reconciled Turkey with two of Washington’s old foes: Russia and Iran.

 

Turkey is demanding the US extradite the moderate cleric Fethullah Gulen whom it accuses of being the mastermind of July’s attempted coup.

 

Meanwhile with Russia, the United States and now Turkey fighting there, Syria’s long running civil war grows more international by the day.

 

 
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The Kurds cannot take a trick. They have been early and successful in the fight against DAESH. After being done over after WW1 peace settlement, they are now to fall victim to Erdogan's ambitions and the fact that USA and Russia want to keep him in the tent.

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He wants everyone who hates him jailed, to finally silence the Kurds, to partner with Russia and kick the US out, to shut up the Armenians, and probably to take lands from some of his neighbors. He's a dictator what else do you want.

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This is also why he's making nice with the Iranian and the Syrian governments.  None of them want an independent Kurdistan.  Neither do the Iraqis.  Don't know the status of Turkey's relations with Iraq. But given that he's warming up to Iran, they're probably getting better.

Poor Kurds. They have the misfortune to be spread out among 4 nations.

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He really is an evil man. Seems he wants to "contain" everything the PDY, the PPK, democracy, free speech, the rule of law etc.  A Kurdish homeland scares the crap out of the Turks, always has.  They will stop at nothing to prevent its establishment.  

 

What is really sad here is that the Kurds have been fighting so long for a homeland where they won't be persecuted.  They were promised this at the end of WWI but the Brits, French and USA shafted them and split up what could have been their homeland among Turkiye, Syria, Iraq, Iran.  After all the blood they have spilled fighting ISIS on behalf of the USA and allies (well so that the world would recognize them and give them a homeland when the fighting is over) they are well on their way for a royal shafting again at the hands of the same mischief makers that did it last time.  Shame on the West if this happens, it would be inexcusable.

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2 hours ago, BuaBS said:

Very sad day for the Kurds .

And this scum is still in nato and conciddered to be a EU member ???

Don't give up hope the Kurds are actually being supported directly by GCC nations and indirectly by Israel. Erdogan is a spent force desperately flailing about since the supposed coup attempt. This time the Kurds will get their homeland.

 

http://www.thomaswictor.com/soldier-syria-sends-message/

 

p.s The Turks are pursuing the Kurds by the way, not ISIS, who Turkish MIT has actually armed in the past.

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1 hour ago, Steely Dan said:

Don't give up hope the Kurds are actually being supported directly by GCC nations and indirectly by Israel. Erdogan is a spent force desperately flailing about since the supposed coup attempt. This time the Kurds will get their homeland.

 

http://www.thomaswictor.com/soldier-syria-sends-message/

 

p.s The Turks are pursuing the Kurds by the way, not ISIS, who Turkish MIT has actually armed in the past.

 

Erdogan's domestic approval ratings are soaring. Spent force is wishful thinking at best.

The bottom line, everyone wants to be Turkey's friend, and shafting the Kurds is simply a realpolitik "necessity". Always was.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-11/erdogan-s-approval-rating-soars-in-turkey-following-coup-attempt

 

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1 hour ago, Steely Dan said:

Don't give up hope the Kurds are actually being supported directly by GCC nations and indirectly by Israel. Erdogan is a spent force desperately flailing about since the supposed coup attempt. This time the Kurds will get their homeland.

 

http://www.thomaswictor.com/soldier-syria-sends-message/

 

p.s The Turks are pursuing the Kurds by the way, not ISIS, who Turkish MIT has actually armed in the past.

Exactly where do the boundaries of Israel and Kurdistan coincide?  Will Israel be mounting an invasion force? As I recall, it just finished mending its relations with Turkey.  So now it plans to jeopardize all that?  Really?

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Erdogan's domestic approval ratings are soaring. Spent force is wishful thinking at best.

The bottom line, everyone wants to be Turkey's friend, and shafting the Kurds is simply a realpolitik "necessity". Always was.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-11/erdogan-s-approval-rating-soars-in-turkey-following-coup-attempt

 


I sincerly hope your wrong, however the cynical side of me wont stop nagging at me making you right.
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1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Exactly where do the boundaries of Israel and Kurdistan coincide?  Will Israel be mounting an invasion force? As I recall, it just finished mending its relations with Turkey.  So now it plans to jeopardize all that?  Really?

To find a source showing Israel's support for an independent Kurdistan is a simple task but off topic. Regarding Israeli-Turkish relations I would point to Israel just signing an oil exploration deal with Greece and Turkey's condemnation of recent Israeli bombing raids on Gaza. Normalization of relations is not the same thing as being allies.

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Well, kurds in Syria now are basically doing a semi ethnic cleansing and stealing land belong to other minorities, forcing them to leave the land and killing them too at times if they dont. to change the demographics of the region.

dont get fooled with propaganda and by those rich kurdish female fighters etc. all bs and show and they kill innocent people mercilessly.

kurds are consisting of 15 percent of Syrian population but according to the latest reports, they grabbed 30 percent of Syrian land.

their aim and hidden agenda is creating a belt from Northern Irak Kurdish region to all the way to Mediterranean through turkish syrian border to have a port and to access to seas and no state in turks' position allows that.

moreover, syrian kurds are the extension of terrorist group PKK bombing civilians, terrorizing around and creating constant problems in turkey. so, why strange for turks to go after a terrorist group terrorizing turkey, killing people? isnt it what US, Russia, Iran, coalition forces etc doing in Syria? fighting with terrorism, no? 

 

i strongly support a kurdish state and hope one day they will get it and turks need to give them some soil too but they will never get it through terrorism or land stealing or by trying to change demographics of the region.

furthermore, If Syrian kurds were not dreaming to reach the Mediterranean by stealing all the land through turkish border nearly a thousand kilometers, i believe they were not shafted now. Kurds there running after dreams set by them by other nations and get fooled and shafted hard again as usual. they will never get the lesson. Instead of being ally with their neighbors they were living together for a millennium, they have chosen US as ally, they deserve to be shafted imo.

Look at Northern Iraqi Kurds; they are moderate, they are good allies of their neighbors including turks the are not terrorists therefore no one go and contain them. pretty easy.

 

and bigot wanna be director erdogan. dont take this guy serious much.

and his ratings are going down in turkey as he has been fooled very hard by coup makers and his closest aides appeared to be working for coup makers.

now questions are asked by turks like 'how come a president of a country can be fooled that hard? is he naive?' yes he is.

 

 

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I would observe that the posturing and threats coming from Turkey to its supposed allies is followed by rapprochement with Iran and Russia. Erdogan is the epitome of a loose cannon and I do see how this in time will reflect itself in Turkish public opinion if Erdogan's foreign policy makes him a laughing stock.

 

A Kurdish state incorporating some Turkish land would finish Erdogan, unless of course he could sell it as his idea to foster peace and stability in the region. High stakes indeed.

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8 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

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I would observe that the posturing and threats coming from Turkey to its supposed allies is followed by rapprochement with Iran and Russia. Erdogan is the epitome of a loose cannon and I do see how this in time will reflect itself in Turkish public opinion if Erdogan's foreign policy makes him a laughing stock.

 

A Kurdish state incorporating some Turkish land would finish Erdogan, unless of course he could sell it as his idea to foster peace and stability in the region. High stakes indeed.

 

Erdogan does this song and dance with pretty much every country or foreign leader, nothing new there. That said, I do not think that Turkish public opinion reacts to these in the same way foreigners do. For quite a while now, despite all that's wrong with Erdogan's rule, his party (and himself personally) get repeated mandate from the electorate.

 

As noted on a previous topic, there's quite a nationalistic sentiment in Turkey, which is not hard to be harnessed for political gains. Also, it's not exactly as if there's a very appealing (or realistic) political alternative.  It is what it is, and the guy is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. Short of an national economic meltdown, or an undeniable mega-scandal, this is a reality which will need to be dealt with.

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Erdogan does this song and dance with pretty much every country or foreign leader, nothing new there. That said, I do not think that Turkish public opinion reacts to these in the same way foreigners do. For quite a while now, despite all that's wrong with Erdogan's rule, his party (and himself personally) get repeated mandate from the electorate.

 

As noted on a previous topic, there's quite a nationalistic sentiment in Turkey, which is not hard to be harnessed for political gains. Also, it's not exactly as if there's a very appealing (or realistic) political alternative.  It is what it is, and the guy is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. Short of an national economic meltdown, or an undeniable mega-scandal, this is a reality which will need to be dealt with.

 

 

 

 

The nationalistic nature of Turkish oppinion has been used and manipulated by Erdogan to further his own ambitions, a blow to this nationalistic pride would be very damaging indeed. I guess our perceptions of the likelihood of such a happening may differ, but that's a debate for another day.

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3 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

The nationalistic nature of Turkish oppinion has been used and manipulated by Erdogan to further his own ambitions, a blow to this nationalistic pride would be very damaging indeed. I guess our perceptions of the likelihood of such a happening may differ, but that's a debate for another day.

 

Take the case of the Russian airplane's interception.

Fiery rhetoric from Erdogan to begin with. Russia puts economic ties on hold. Erdogan makes amends and plays nice.

Far as I can tell, didn't have much of an effect on his domestic standing.

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