Racing Biker Wipes Out Street Vendor on Second Road, Pattaya

[DipStick]

16 hours ago, Basil B said:

 

The highway code is a legal document that can be cited in a court of law. "Any failure to comply with the Code is not an offence in itself, but can be taken into account by a court"

 

Can we understand and accept that this is about Thailand not the uk. In the uk traffic laws are enforced, and here ? In the uk would a motor cyclist ride without a helmet, again we are not in the uk we are talking Thailand . It is supposed that in the West the population are better educated and the Thais less so ...... So please tell me why you see so many uk law abiding citizens in Thailand flout the laws I.e no crash helmets a family on one bike etc etc.

this forum is revolving and disappearing up its own centre, you cannot compare apples and oranges.

time this thread was closed in my opinion as stupidity is starting to evolve 

[CarolJadzia]

16 minutes ago, DipStick said:

 

Can we understand and accept that this is about Thailand not the uk. In the uk traffic laws are enforced, and here ? In the uk would a motor cyclist ride without a helmet, again we are not in the uk we are talking Thailand . It is supposed that in the West the population are better educated and the Thais less so ...... So please tell me why you see so many uk law abiding citizens in Thailand flout the laws I.e no crash helmets a family on one bike etc etc.

this forum is revolving and disappearing up its own centre, you cannot compare apples and oranges.

time this thread was closed in my opinion as stupidity is starting to evolve 

 

Best way to close a thread is to ignore the posts and not post something provocative that deserves comment!

 

Lots of incorrect assumptions about the comparison. It is certainly wrong to assume that the UK is more heavily enforced than Thailand. Yes Police officers are better trained and their approach is different.  But there have been huge cut backs in police forces. But even before the cuts being stopped by the police was and still is seen as an inconvenience and unlucky. It's involvement in road safety is vastly overstated. The majority of Motorcycle Riders in the UK were wearing helmets long before the helmet law was introduced and it's introduction in 1971 caused a major storm which created a Riders Rights movement (See: MAG ) that has challenged the government ever since. People ride in the UK without helmets all the time, long as they think they can get away with it. It's only correspondence bias that suggests the situation is different due to enforcement.

 

Education is the same, to assume that Thais are more stupid than the English is just racism. They have a different world view and culture, that is all.

 

[DipStick]

I accept your comments on racialism , so let's change the words to self discipline and common sense. Would it be fair to say that uk trained / residents now in Thailand , whether tourists or residents, allow all these traits to be eroded as they see the way the locals perform and have no respect for the laws of Thailand.  If so is this not stupidity ? Look at the number of posts on here about Mr A, B, C or even mr Z from uk, who has the need to be repatriated for medical reasons due to his lack of self control and riding bikes without protective gear,  and throwing out of the Window the law he has been bought up on ... Let's not even lengthen the road when insurance is involved ... Very few, apart from chancers would drive any motor vehicle in the uk without insurance, and they know it so why here. The words arrogance, stupidity and kamikaze come to mind 

[CarolJadzia]

@DipStick yes I will agree that their is a tendency for some to appear to leave their brains at the Airport. But this could be seen as just human nature. First off there is "When in Rome" syndrome. Humans will look at the world around them and try to fit it. "If all around me are doing something then why can't I?"

 

I would also suggest that as the English drive on the same side of the road and have many similar rules, it is easy for them to fall into the assumption that if they play by the same rules as in England they will be safe. While people from other countries who drive on the opposite side of the road are automatically concentrating more due to the alien environment they are driving or riding in. I can offer as support of this research that shows inexperienced drivers scan more for hazards:

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Under the conditions of this experiment, experienced drivers appear to use 'pre-programmed' search patterns directed towards areas of the road environment which are informationally rich; there was little evidence of these in the eye-movements of inexperienced drivers. Experienced drivers appeared to start their search at a midpoint in the scene whist inexperienced drivers started their search nearby. One consequence of this was that experienced drivers took longer to detect motorcyclists who were nearby. (i.e. to the left of the initial point of fixation.)

An investigation of the role of vehicle conspicuity in the ‘Looked but failed to see’ error in driving

 

We also have the situation of people riding scooters in Thailand simply because they can just by paying a couple of pounds and leaving their passport. In the UK they are required to satisfactorily complete a Compulsory Basic Training course before being allowed to ride unaccompanied on the road and only then up to 125 with L-plates. That twice as much training as is required to pass the Thai Driving test and also includes at least two hours of riding on public highways.

 

Thailand has 15 times the number of motorcycles compared to the UK, but has a similar population size.  Motorcycle accidents are disproportionally high in the UK's Road Accident Data as well. It is just as wrong to assume people follow the letter of the law in the UK as it is to assume people do so in Thailand. 

 

[Rimmer]

Several off topic posts have been removed, topic is not about 'Indian males" walking four abreast'

[Oink]

Everyone is blaming the Scooter driver. Has anyone noticed that the street vendors cart is in the middle of a three lane road?

Also, the inevitable Bhat Bus appears to be missing from the left lane!