Justice Ministry mulls taking yaa baa from Category One list

[snoop1130]

Justice Ministry mulls taking yaa baa from Category One list

 

 

The Justice Ministry has been studying the advantages and disadvantages of removing methamphetamine or better known as Yaa Baa from Category One narcotic drugs and measures to be taken if the drug is to be actually delisted.

 

Justice Minister Paiboon Kumchaya said Monday that all necessary steps had to be put in place before yaa baa was to be removed from Category One list for dangerous narcotic drugs and put into Category Two for general narcotic drugs.

 

He pointed out that in the treatment and rehabilitation process, the addicts could not be suddenly stopped from using yaa baa and the drug was still needed in the process but at certain limit prescribed by doctors and the amount used would be steadily reduced until the addicts themselves feel they could live without the drug.

 

However, the minister said that doctors could not legally use yaa baa in the rehabilitation process unless the drug is pulled out of Category One list and put into Category Two list.

 

Addictive though, he said yaa baa is not life-threatening that it cannot be used in the rehabilitation of the addicts and under the close supervision of doctors.

The justice minister noted that suppression alone would not be able to solve the scourge of narcotic drugs unless treatment and rehabilitation of drug addicts are undertaken simultaneously.

 

He indicated that the ministry might propose the prime minister to invoke Section 44 of the interim charter to remove yaa baa from Category One list so the drug could be legally used in rehabilitation process.

 

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/justice-ministry-mulls-taking-yaa-baa-category-one-list/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-08-29

[seajae]

sounds like these guys are getting cake boxes donated to them, a serious drug that causes huge problems here and suddenly they want it taken from the list, sounds like an early christmas present has been offered

[ChrisY1]

This guy needs to go for a trip to the province villages and see first hand what a few tablets of Yaba actually does to people......

He seems to think, from all accounts,  it's just a "social" drug that is easily managed....and not the mind altering disaster that it really is.

No government globally would consider making this drug acceptable.......what the hell is wrong with these people?

[TVGerry]

The guy on the right!

 

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Edited August 29, 2016 by TVGerry
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[ChrisY1]

2 minutes ago, TVGerry said:

 

 

 

??.......

[Mull Kintar]

Seajae, did you just read the same article that I did? What is it you don't understand about what was stated about drug addiction and the process of weaning people off of drugs like "YaaBaa"? Maybe you should read the article again and try to reply with a more informed opinion! Drug addicts are not criminals and should not be treated as such. The people who create such drugs are the criminals and the lowly easy to spot addicts are the victims of this giant money making machine, those at the top don't use these drugs only live high off the profits! Put them in jail and help the addicts. Even the USA has finally woken up to this reality after how many years of fighting another war that they could never win! Kudos to forward thinking Thai doctors and medical professionals!

[Slip]

Isn't this the second time?  I'm sure this has been raised before recently and then was quickly denied?

The yaba one, not the ganga one.  

[Edit- was it not this very minister who was involved last time?]

Edited August 29, 2016 by Slip

[ukrules]

Lets remember that this Paiboon Kumchaya is the same Justice Minister who introduced the ban on selling alcohol within 300 meters of schools. How did that work out ?

 

He is known to have said before this law was published in the government gazette (and therefore became a law which was not enforced) that he would rather it be 500 Meters which would effectively make pretty much the entire country an alcohol free zone.

 

Draw your own conclusions about this guy.

 

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, Slip said:

Isn't this the second time?  I'm sure this has been raised before recently and then was quickly denied?

The yaba one, not the ganga one.  

[Edit- was it not this very minister who was involved last time?]

 

Of course it is.

[phycokiller]

they dont have a choice, they have run out of prisons to put them it, which is also a sure sign that imprisoning people is not a successful method reducing addiction, in fact it appears to be creating addicts

[jamesbrock]

7 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

This guy needs to go for a trip to the province villages and see first hand what a few tablets of Yaba actually does to people......

He seems to think, from all accounts,  it's just a "social" drug that is easily managed....and not the mind altering disaster that it really is.

No government globally would consider making this drug acceptable.......what the hell is wrong with these people?

 

Actually, they're not considering making the drug acceptable, they're considering moving it from one list to another so it can be legally used by doctors in addicts' rehabilitation. What the hell is so wrong with that?

[meom]

Why can't they use Desoxyn as treatment. Mixed with a cup of coffee it will have the same effect.

[ChrisY1]

2 hours ago, jamesbrock said:

 

Actually, they're not considering making the drug acceptable, they're considering moving it from one list to another so it can be legally used by doctors in addicts' rehabilitation. What the hell is so wrong with that?

I don't believe that moving the drug from one list to another, for rehab. purposes, would make the slightest difference......it certainly won't change the mindset of users when you consider the number of users in Thailand alone, is in the tens of thousands......!

[swanny321]

4 hours ago, phycokiller said:

they dont have a choice, they have run out of prisons to put them it, which is also a sure sign that imprisoning people is not a successful method reducing addiction, in fact it appears to be creating addicts

 

  They could try following the Portuguese example!

[Dr Robert]

Methamphetamine and associated illegal drugs are a scourge on civilized society. They damage the lives of the user, their friends and family and frequently, innocent bystanders. Any inkling as to legitimizing it is at best short sighted and likely suggested in the  interest of criminals.

Don't go there.

[MobileContent]

10 hours ago, Mull Kintar said:

Seajae, did you just read the same article that I did? What is it you don't understand about what was stated about drug addiction and the process of weaning people off of drugs like "YaaBaa"? Maybe you should read the article again and try to reply with a more informed opinion! Drug addicts are not criminals and should not be treated as such. The people who create such drugs are the criminals and the lowly easy to spot addicts are the victims of this giant money making machine, those at the top don't use these drugs only live high off the profits! Put them in jail and help the addicts. Even the USA has finally woken up to this reality after how many years of fighting another war that they could never win! Kudos to forward thinking Thai doctors and medical professionals!

 

Actually not so. A Yaba addict was arrested in ur village for having two pills and send to the Sawang Daen Ding prison for one year.

[callaway]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

he said yaa baa is not life-threatening

That is a good one. How many of these space cadet druggies are using machetes, knives or guns in crime? What's more they use them. To me that is life threatening but just not life threatening to the right person. Just to the victim of these imbeciles. Do not worry about Desoxyn, try arsenic. I believe that cures addiction. It will never be legalized because to many mia nos and giks rely on the money this drug brings in to some. Fortunes are built up for the big players for that to happen.

Edited August 30, 2016 by callaway
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[silent]

11 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

1 hour ago, Dr Robert said:

Methamphetamine and associated illegal drugs are a scourge on civilized society. They damage the lives of the user, their friends and family and frequently, innocent bystanders. Any inkling as to legitimizing it is at best short sighted and likely suggested in the  interest of criminals.

Don't go there.

Lunatics running the asylum.

 

Cuckoo's nest to colony 

[HHTel]

Why has this idiot holding the position of Justice Minister?  He comes out with the most ridiculous ideas, some are shot down by the PM's office, some are stated as law when they're not and very few actually get to the Gazette.

 

He obviously lives in cloud cuckoo land and is full of his own self-importance.

[jamesbrock]

2 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

I don't believe that moving the drug from one list to another, for rehab. purposes, would make the slightest difference......it certainly won't change the mindset of users when you consider the number of users in Thailand alone, is in the tens of thousands......!

 

It will make the important difference on enabling medically supervised rehabilitation, which is currently illegal due to the list it is on. That is the only stated reason for the change - not making it acceptable, as you wrote earlier. I would think anything that makes it easier for the tens of thousands of poor souls addicted to this scourge would be welcomed.

 

I, for one, commend the justice minister long overdue, and stunningly progressive stance that "suppression alone would not be able to solve the scourge of narcotic drugs unless treatment and rehabilitation of drug addicts are undertaken simultaneously." It is a marked change from the tripe that comes out of Thai officialdom on a daily basis.

[silent]

1 hour ago, callaway said:

That is a good one. How many of these space cadet druggies are using machetes, knives or guns in crime? What's more they use them. To me that is life threatening but just not life threatening to the right person. Just to the victim of these imbeciles. Do not worry about Desoxyn, try arsenic. I believe that cures addiction. It will never be legalized because to many mia nos and giks rely on the money this drug brings in to some. Fortunes are built up for the big players for that to happen.

 

Old saying if can't beat them. It's been proven can't do anything about a self-sustaining market and trying to educate the uneducatable certainly has no affect. With the majority of speed related violent crimes (i.e. robbery) against innocent people being in relation to the fortunes made by criminals/ corruption, unless an indidual has committed a crime against someone, which in some cases could exclude even dealing to other addicts, has incarceration for the obvious mental condition not been proven counter-productive and even fanned the flames.

 

In terms of that self sustaining model , fire and it's triangle, trying to remove the fuel hasn't been successful anymore than removing the oxygen (desire / education) has or can be.

Clearly there is no option now but to see what happens after eliminating the heat and then maybe we can purchase Isopropyl alchohol here instead of another excuse for something.

 

Edited August 30, 2016 by silent

[zyphodb]

4 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

I don't believe that moving the drug from one list to another, for rehab. purposes, would make the slightest difference......it certainly won't change the mindset of users when you consider the number of users in Thailand alone, is in the tens of thousands......!

 

Tens of Thousands? you need to get out more...  Try Millions...

[IAMHERE]

They can not even get marijuana decriminalized.

[Flinstone]

There is Yaa Baa and Yaa Ice. two very different drugs. Yaa Ice is the one leading to all the current problems.

[mankondang]

6 hours ago, meom said:

Why canese Desoxyn as tsuatmentsame.  Mixedyup of cof fee it will hav e the same effecck

 

Desoxyn is methamphetamine, as you alude to, and is used to treat ADD andreduce nd would as you say be a suitable "replacement therapy" for amphetamine (ya ba) addiction. The problem is that this medication is made by the pharmaceutical companies and distributed in set tablet doses...2-5, 10 mg for example. It therefore makes it harder to gradually reduuce the addicts dosage in the fine amounts required until he/she were completly weaned off it. In most people eyes, we would say, ok supply it in powder form, the same

as ya ba , but pharmaceutical companies being what they are don't do this.

[mankondang]

Just now, mankondang said:

 

Desoxyn is methamphetamine, as you alude to, and is used to treat ADD and AHDD and would as you say be a suitable "replacement therapy" for amphetamine (ya ba) addiction. The problem is that this medication is made by the pharmaceutical companies and distributed in set tablet doses...2-5, 10 mg for example. It therefore makes it harder to gradually reduuce the addicts dosage in the fine amounts required until he/she were completly weaned off it. In most people eyes, we would say, ok supply it in powder form, the same

as ya ba , but pharmaceutical companies being what they are don't do this.

 

[pookiki]

I agree with most of the posters that clearly point out the inherent dangers in long term amphetamine and methamphetamine use. If the drug is actually needed for rehab purposes, amend the law to allow for physicians to prescribe the drug under these limited circumstances.

Edited August 30, 2016 by pookiki

[mankondang]

5 hours ago, swanny321 said:

 

  They could try following the Portugese eample!   

 

In facIMF,   recent as last weekfreee WHO and the UN cokntries which originally introduced The War on Drugs in 1998, remet for the 1st time since, with the view of adopting their example. Russia was one who would not agree to "harm minimalising". The Portuguese method takes the approach that drug addiction is a health issue and not a leagal one, and in 2001, took the responsibility away from their goverment Legal dept and into their Health dept. They decriminalized, not legalized , the use of drugs. Since Portugal have free health for all this system has worked well, but this  free health, is not the case in Russia they voted against change. I thiink, we should "watch this space", and hope that poor nations find a way to finance their Health system and make it free. 

Footnote, with Portugal have to borrow, but finding it hard to repay money to the EU and imf, this system is under pressure at this point in time.

[mankondang]

Thailand is only following towards the recommendations made by the recent outcome document of the UN General Assembly's Special Session on Drugs (UNGASS). Most other countries, inc the USA, UK, Europe, Australia are doing the same (Not Russia). This is a move away from the War on Drugs, which the same General Assembly voted for in 1998, and towards the Harm Reduction model which has been so successful in Portugal since 2001. It takes the approach that drug addiction is a health issue and not a criminal issue. So why pick on Thailand alone, when most of our country of origin are doing the same, Thai knocking and ignorance of the Portuguese model springs to mind. 

Thailand went to War on Drugs in a big way, under Thaksin in 2003, when thousands died. 

President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philipines was recently elected on the War on Drugs issue, as a result, since 30th June til 26th August this year, more than 2000 people have been killed. In both these cases the murders of innocent people has been conducted by corrupt officials, who justified them, under the guise of War on Drugs.

I congratulate the Thai government on joining most of the world on combating this Health issue.

Note: Decriminalizing drugs is NOT the same a Legalizing drugs. Hence trafficking etc will still be illegal, as will having an access of drugs far beyond personal use.

[swanny321]

13 hours ago, Dr Robert said:

Methamphetamine and associated illegal drugs are a scourge on civilized society. They damage the lives of the user, their friends and family and frequently, innocent bystanders. Any inkling as to legitimizing it is at best short sighted and likely suggested in the  interest of criminals.

Don't go there.

 

  So is alchohol!