Australian DJ jailed for life in Thailand

[AlexRich]

8 minutes ago, jimmybkk said:

You've been outed pal. Deal with it. Time to pull a new ID off the shelf and move on...

 

He's been "outed"? I'm not in favour of that sort of thing ... it's a private matter. 

 

[gk10002000]

How much does a yaba pill sell for?  One guy had 61 one of them right?  How much Baht would he net, assuming he had to buy the pills from somebody before he then sold them himself?  I am just trying to put this in perspective.

[tropo]

6 hours ago, joeyg said:

Funny that the Aussies needed printed out on their passports.  I mean really.  Is it in bold text, "dayglo", flashing? Some of the best guys to hangout with on R & R from Vietnam were the Aussies, "hands down."

Two of my best friends back in the states were Aussies.  The Aussies I've met here? It doesn't happen often but I'm speechless...

I didn't know it was in the passport. It's in very faint, small, light blue font and hard to read. I could hardly read it without a magnifying lens.

 

From the back of my passport:

 

Quote

 

"Every year the Australian Government provides consular assistance to Australians arrested or jailed overseas on drug charges.

 

Don't use, carry or get involved with drugs overseas. Australians do get caught. Consular assistance cannot override local laws. Some countries do impose the death penalty or life imprisonment for drug related offences."

 

Edited September 9, 2016 by tropo

[spidermike007]

On September 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Alwyn said:

Two life sentences because drugs were found in his girlfriend's apartment? This General has really flushed the country down the karsy by letting this sort of thing carry on. I guess he's too busy shopping for ridiculous outfits to bothered by this but let's put this in perspective. A girl with no driving license or insurance murders 9 innocents people and gets 150 hours community service. I'm so glad I moved back to civilization after 15 years of this b/s. 

The Brit though... He's fortunate that this happened in Thailand and not Indonesia or the Philipines... He'd be dead by now

 

 

 

Please bear in mind two differences. Her family had money. And were not afraid to spend it, when the need arose. They paid the right people, and their daughter walked. He did not seem to have the resources to buy his way out. That is the major difference here. It is not about justice. It it not about fair. It is not about righteousness. It is about money and influence. Period, end of story. 

 

In a certain sense, the same kind of corruption exists in the US. But, you have to pay a lawyer 2 million bucks to mount a great defense. Or you have to spend the same 2 million on a lobbyist, so that a corrupt and immoral congressman or senator can fight on your behalf. In my opinion this is also emblematic of a broken system. But, not nearly as broken as the one they have here, which is completely beyond repair or reform. It would have to rebuilt from the ground up. It may happen some day. But, this is not something you should expect from the little man. He is all about protecting the elite, wealthy, powerful, influential, and connected. All of his hyperbole about the fight against corruption only relates to the little man, without wealth or power. 

 

At some point in the future a great soul may come along and rescue this place from it's current morass, and decline. But, who will that person be? Have they even been born yet?

[Alwyn]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

 

Please bear in mind two differences. Her family had money. And were not afraid to spend it, when the need arose. They paid the right people, and their daughter walked. He did not seem to have the resources to buy his way out. That is the major difference here. It is not about justice. It it not about fair. It is not about righteousness. It is about money and influence. Period, end of story. 

 

In a certain sense, the same kind of corruption exists in the US. But, you have to pay a lawyer 2 million bucks to mount a great defense. Or you have to spend the same 2 million on a lobbyist, so that a corrupt and immoral congressman or senator can fight on your behalf. In my opinion this is also emblematic of a broken system. But, not nearly as broken as the one they have here, which is completely beyond repair or reform. It would have to rebuilt from the ground up. It may happen some day. But, this is not something you should expect from the little man. He is all about protecting the elite, wealthy, powerful, influential, and connected. All of his hyperbole about the fight against corruption only relates to the little man, without wealth or power. 

 

At some point in the future a great soul may come along and rescue this place from it's current morass, and decline. But, who will that person be? Have they even been born yet?

I understand that her family have money and were able to pay off the relevant <deleted>. The fact (and it is a fact) that it's all about money and influence doesn't, in my opinion, make it right. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Alwyn said:

I understand that her family have money and were able to pay off the relevant <deleted>. The fact (and it is a fact) that it's all about money and influence doesn't, in my opinion, make it right. 

 

 

Of course it does not make it right. In fact, it makes it wrong. Absolutely and positively wrong, by any standards. I was not evaluating whether or not it was right or wrong. I was speaking to the cause of these nonsensical outcomes. 

[metisdead]

Off topic grammar police posts have been removed. 

[nausea]

You shouldn't muck around with drugs in Asia. For this guy the Wheel of Fortune turns. On the plus side he's known the highs and the lows. Should he get out of this half-intact, that's some life experience. Hopefully, he'll get out young enough to have a productive life, as a wiser and better man.

[joeyg]

All drug dealers should be executed. No ifs, ands, buts or comets!!!

 

[tropo]

19 minutes ago, joeyg said:

All drug dealers should be executed. No ifs, ands, buts or comets!!!

 

OK then, so what if they were only users and no evidence of dealing was found? Shoot them anyway?

 

Or is it OK that they assume you're dealing if you have over a certain quantity and execute them anyway.

 

A lot of heavy drug users buy in bulk to save money. I've known people who can use an ounce (28g) of week every couple of days. 

 

 

 

 

[Odin Norway]

For some of the people writing in here I feel sorry for their kids.To have so stupid parrents must be hard.

Back in the 70s,80s yes things were different.So where the problems you got into.Get over it and wellcome to the new world.

[rwdrwdrwd]

Me too.

[gemguy]

12 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

You'd want to kill yourself after hearing that chorous a couple of times.

That is the type of music you will hear played at the clubs where ecstasy reigns supreme.

When high on ecstasy, music like that sounds great.....or so all the ecstasy stoners will have you know....lol

Cheers

[JImH2O]

I know of a Somchai who got 10 years for dealing a large stock of yaba pills, much larger than the few hundred XTC pills the Australian guy got caught with.

I believe they just want to set an example, good guys in bad guys out.

There's no consistency in the Thai judicial system.

[khundon]

I totally agree with your comments tropo, but we started young with him and we can but hope that what we taught him about drugs and the dangers of taking them, sinks in.

We don't want to control his life, just do what we can to keep him alive, when all around him are doing their damnedest to harm him and that includes stupid, adult drug pushers!

Edited September 10, 2016 by khundon

[joeyg]

2 hours ago, tropo said:

OK then, so what if they were only users and no evidence of dealing was found? Shoot them anyway?

 

Or is it OK that they assume you're dealing if you have over a certain quantity and execute them anyway.

 

A lot of heavy drug users buy in bulk to save money. I've known people who can use an ounce (28g) of week every couple of days. 

 

 

 

 

I'll bet you have.

[tropo]

13 minutes ago, joeyg said:

I'll bet you have.

There's no need to be facetious. You don't think heavy uses sometimes buy in bulk? 

Edited September 10, 2016 by tropo

[tropo]

1 hour ago, khundon said:

I totally agree with your comments tropo, but we started young with him and we can but hope that what we taught him about drugs and the dangers of taking them, sinks in.

We don't want to control his life, just do what we can to keep him alive, when all around him are doing their damnedest to harm him and that includes stupid, adult drug pushers!

I don't think drug pushers are the main problem with adolescents. I think it's peer pressure which gets most started. 

 

That's certainly the reason most people drink alcohol. As a lifetime non-drinker I cannot count the number of confused people asking me "why not?"... and treating me like I'm an alien for another planet. When it comes to drugs the question should always be "why", not "why not".

Edited September 10, 2016 by tropo

[tropo]

3 minutes ago, joeyg said:

" I've known people who can use an ounce (28g) of week every couple of days. "  that's way too much isn't it?  Maybe recommend 50% of that... 

That was messed up. It should have read "weed", not "week", and a 1/4 ounce (7g) every couple of days, not a full ounce.

 

I'd recommend none of it.

[joeyg]

2 hours ago, JImH2O said:

I know of a Somchai who got 10 years for dealing a large stock of yaba pills, much larger than the few hundred XTC pills the Australian guy got caught with.

I believe they just want to set an example, good guys in bad guys out.

There's no consistency in the Thai judicial system.

Should have been executed IMHO.

 

[metisdead]

3) You will not post about activities or links to websites containing such material that are illegal in Thailand. This includes but is not limited to: gambling, betting, pornography, illegal drugs, fake goods/clothing, file sharing of pirated material, pyramid schemes, etc. Discussion of the above is permitted only as news items, but never as a "how to" topic.

 

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[denkiblue555]

5 minutes ago, joeyg said:

Should have been executed IMHO.

 

 

I think we read you loud and clear.

[joeyg]

25 minutes ago, tropo said:

There's no need to be facetious. You don't think heavy uses sometimes buy in bulk? 

You would know, I guess according to your statement.  I don't advocate or familiarize myself with illicit drug use.  Outside of clinical treatment.

[joeyg]

23 minutes ago, tropo said:

I don't think drug pushers are the main problem with adolescents. I think it's peer pressure which gets most started. 

 

That's certainly the reason most people drink alcohol. As a lifetime non-drinker I cannot count the number of confused people asking me "why not?"... and treating me like I'm an alien for another planet. When it comes to drugs the question should always be "why", not "why not".

Execute the pushers, would reduce consumption.  It's a numbers game really.  I know it's not gonna happen because Law enforcement makes way to much money off "the game."

[tropo]

10 minutes ago, joeyg said:

Execute the pushers, would reduce consumption.  It's a numbers game really.  I know it's not gonna happen because Law enforcement makes way to much money off "the game."

Executing pushers doesn't have much effect in the long run. There's always other pushers willing to step in. The more drug pushers you execute, the higher the drugs prices rise as availability become more limited. (supply and demand).What does that do? It makes production and distribution far more profitable for the big players. Why do you think hard drugs are so expensive in the US and other developed nations?

 

Let's face facts. The war on drugs has failed the world over. Will the Philippine experiment work? I don't think so, but time will tell. 

 

Edited September 10, 2016 by tropo

[metisdead]

Off topic nonsense posts have been removed. 

[tropo]

23 minutes ago, khundon said:

 

I very much doubt that clearing out ones colon would give any of us a better view on the drugs issue in question.

Besides, my glasses wouldn't fit.

Much as I hate to admit it tropo, I have to agree with you, despite my previous post of Hang Em.

Just too many and the authorities only seem to catch the small fry. So, what are countries meant to do. Do we make drugs legal and the Devil take the hindmost? OK that would wipe out a lot of users, especially if drug prices are cheaper and the users take more and more.

Look at the US and their War on drugs, a total failure IMHO. All that has happened is 3 million in jail and not much to show for the Billions of $ spent on it.

I'm glad I never did drugs, but I see the effects they have on users every day. Very sad and the dealers and the Mr Bigs behind the scenes just get richer.

I don't know what you can do. Governments around the world have been looking at ways to control various drug problems for how long? 100 years or longer?  

 

I think taking drugs and drinking alcohol is part of the human condition. I don't blame the dealers as much as I blame the users. It doesn't matter what you do, some people will not quit. Try to stop anyone from drinking alcohol and smoking.

 

Putting a couple of Australians in jail for 50 - 100 years for possessing 61/200 pills is absurd in the extreme. I can't find words to describe it.

[jhonnie]

pray that his excellency the King of Thailand takes pity on them and grants a royal pardon , until then time to reflect on the meaning of life

[ChidlomDweller]

11 hours ago, tropo said:

Executing pushers doesn't have much effect in the long run. There's always other pushers willing to step in. The more drug pushers you execute, the higher the drugs prices rise as availability become more limited. (supply and demand).What does that do? It makes production and distribution far more profitable for the big players. Why do you think hard drugs are so expensive in the US and other developed nations?

 

Let's face facts. The war on drugs has failed the world over. Will the Philippine experiment work? I don't think so, but time will tell. 

 

People always say this, but Singapore has done a pretty effective job of keeping drugs out by decisively shifting the expected cost/payoff balance.  So I believe it can be done, except very few countries have had the resolve.  

 

I'm not interested in retreading the pros/cons of legalization, but my point is if drug-dealing became a sure death sentence (as is the case there), a vanishingly small number of people would find it worth their while.  I lived in Singapore for 10 years, and for the life of me wouldn't know where to buy drugs there.

Edited September 11, 2016 by ChidlomDweller

[Don Mega]

On 9/10/2016 at 0:28 AM, gk10002000 said:

How much does a yaba pill sell for?  One guy had 61 one of them right?  How much Baht would he net, assuming he had to buy the pills from somebody before he then sold them himself?  I am just trying to put this in perspective.

 

he had zero yaba.