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OAG told to indict three ex-Pheu Thai MPs in Supreme Court

 

 

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission has recommended the Office of Attorney-General to indict three former Pheu Thai MPs, including former House speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont, with charges of malfeasance in office to the Supreme Court’s criminal division for political office holders.

 

The anti-graft panel has faulted Somsak for consenting with the illegal switch of the draft constitutional amendment regarding the origin of senators to be debated in the final reading of the previous parliament without checking the draft as should have been the case.

 

The former House speaker was also faulted for deliberating cutting short the time for debating on the amendments draft to just one day to prevent opposition members for debating on the draft which was eventually endorsed by the Pheu Thai-dominated parliament.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/oag-told-indict-three-ex-pheu-thai-mps-supreme-court/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-09-09

[NongKhaiKid]

Headline says ' told ' but the first sentence in the report uses ' recommended ', big difference.

I would doubt the NACC can tell the AG's office do do anything.

[BigBadGeordie]

 

"The former House speaker was also faulted for deliberating cutting short the time for debating on the amendments draft to just one day to prevent opposition members for debating on the draft which was eventually endorsed by the Pheu Thai-dominated parliament."

 

This is indeed a heinous crime, it is essential that full, frank and open debate must be held prior to the passing of any bills or legislation.

 

In other news, BANGKOK: -- The National Legislative Assembly on Thursday spent just two and a half hours in passing the first and final reading of the 2.73 trillion baht expenditure budget for 2017 fiscal year.

[maoro2013]

How does the debating work now??

 

Hypocritical really.

[mtls2005]

Can't they just save a lot of time, use Article 44, imprison all PTP members and be done with it? All in the name of reconciliation of course.

[halloween]

14 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Can't they just save a lot of time, use Article 44, imprison all PTP members and be done with it? All in the name of reconciliation of course.

 

They could pass a retroactive law banning MPs from taking bribes. Same effect without the stigma of 44.

[JAG]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Can't they just save a lot of time, use Article 44, imprison all PTP members and be done with it? All in the name of reconciliation of course.

When the time comes I suspect that they may well do something rather like that.

 

In the interests of peace, order and democracy of course.

 

It will be on the piece of the roadmap covered with the coffee  stains...

[Cuchulainn]

Well, well, well........Pheu Thai MPs to face criminal charges AGAIN!

 

And these are the wolves that howl for democracy when the time is right, and the blind dumb sheep that follow are even bigger fools.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Cuchulainn said:

Well, well, well........Pheu Thai MPs to face criminal charges AGAIN!

And these are the wolves that howl for democracy when the time is right, and the blind dumb sheep that follow are even bigger fools.

 

It's all progressing well according to plan.

[halloween]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

It's all progressing well according to plan.

 

So no prima facie case, it's just a huge anti-red conspiracy? Even with the video evidence?

Edited September 9, 2016 by halloween

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

So no prima facie case, it's just a huge anti-red conspiracy? Even with the video evidence?

 

The case is still on-going. Nothing conclusive yet. I agree that the proxy voting is not right and should be investigated and the guilty parties warned and barred from future voting. The move to charge them in Supreme Court is excessive. What law has been broken. Can you provide?

[halloween]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

The case is still on-going. Nothing conclusive yet. I agree that the proxy voting is not right and should be investigated and the guilty parties warned and barred from future voting. The move to charge them in Supreme Court is excessive. What law has been broken. Can you provide?

Yes, that is the meaning of prima facie, reasonable grounds for prosecution. Not having a Thai law degree, I will trust those who do to invoke the correct charge, though malfeasance in office sounds about right. As does the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders.

So are you sticking with your "plan" claim?

[Eric Loh]

28 minutes ago, halloween said:

Yes, that is the meaning of prima facie, reasonable grounds for prosecution. Not having a Thai law degree, I will trust those who do to invoke the correct charge, though malfeasance in office sounds about right. As does the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders.

So are you sticking with your "plan" claim?

Malfeasance or wrong doing. Vague and until the junta agencies can come out with a proper charge, nothing is conclusive. However, malfeasance has being the weapon of choice by the junta in quite a few cases to harass their enemies. 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said:

Headline says ' told ' but the first sentence in the report uses ' recommended ', big difference.

I would doubt the NACC can tell the AG's office do do anything.

 

It seems the reaction of the OAG is usually the same, whether it's recommend, tells, instructs or advises and regardless of the source.

 

They sling a deaf'en and do whatever they fancy, regardless of the law.

[halloween]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Malfeasance or wrong doing. Vague and until the junta agencies can come out with a proper charge, nothing is conclusive. However, malfeasance has being the weapon of choice by the junta in quite a few cases to harass their enemies. 

 

You keep repeating the same rubbish 'nothing is conclusive' to the question 'Is there reasonable grounds for charges?'  Why, because you don't want to refute your conspiracy theory?

Malfeasance is a cover-all charge for actions contrary to regulations. There is nothing sinister about it as the regulations contravened would be explained to the court. It is similar to the military charge of Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, usually abbreviated to Conduct prejudicial in my experience.

[Baerboxer]

19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Malfeasance or wrong doing. Vague and until the junta agencies can come out with a proper charge, nothing is conclusive. However, malfeasance has being the weapon of choice by the junta in quite a few cases to harass their enemies. 

 

Eric - they cheated the system, got caught and now likely to get punished in some minor way.

 

PTP lied, lie, cheat and ignore procedures and laws whenever they fancied. Why pretend otherwise?

 

The guy submitting others ID cards was caught on CCTV. Didn't he claim alzheimers or some such?

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Eric - they cheated the system, got caught and now likely to get punished in some minor way.

 

PTP lied, lie, cheat and ignore procedures and laws whenever they fancied. Why pretend otherwise?

 

The guy submitting others ID cards was caught on CCTV. Didn't he claim alzheimers or some such?

 

Is watching porn during parlimentary session consider as ignoring procedures and laws? I have said they were wrong but supreme court is excessive. 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

 

Is watching porn during parlimentary session consider as ignoring procedures and laws? I have said they were wrong but supreme court is excessive. 

 

What a childish response. Always have to point the finger and deflect elsewhere. Wonder how many play FB, watch videos, catch up on Line etc. Poor behavior and should be disciplined by their parties.

 

But are you serious - watching porn during some boring parliamentary debate is as bad as deliberately cheating and defying parliamentary rules?

 

Ah, the land of the Shin fan. Anything they do is o k - even when they want to cheat in the legislature.

[Redline]

What happened to reconciliation?  Time to move on

 

[ramrod711]

6 hours ago, BigBadGeordie said:

 

"The former House speaker was also faulted for deliberating cutting short the time for debating on the amendments draft to just one day to prevent opposition members for debating on the draft which was eventually endorsed by the Pheu Thai-dominated parliament."

 

This is indeed a heinous crime, it is essential that full, frank and open debate must be held prior to the passing of any bills or legislation.

 

In other news, BANGKOK: -- The National Legislative Assembly on Thursday spent just two and a half hours in passing the first and final reading of the 2.73 trillion baht expenditure budget for 2017 fiscal year.

 

 deliberating cutting short the time for debating on the amendments draft to just one day to prevent opposition members for debating on the draft

 

But, but, they were elected and that means that they are entitled to do anything they want, no matter how underhanded.

[BigBadGeordie]

24 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

 

 deliberating cutting short the time for debating on the amendments draft to just one day to prevent opposition members for debating on the draft

 

But, but, they were elected and that means that they are entitled to do anything they want, no matter how underhanded.

And passing a 2.73 trillion Baht budget in 2 and a half hours with limited debate is OK with you. I suppose?

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

What a childish response. Always have to point the finger and deflect elsewhere. Wonder how many play FB, watch videos, catch up on Line etc. Poor behavior and should be disciplined by their parties.

 

But are you serious - watching porn during some boring parliamentary debate is as bad as deliberately cheating and defying parliamentary rules?

 

Ah, the land of the Shin fan. Anything they do is o k - even when they want to cheat in the legislature.

 

Lets not get too far ahead BB. The Supreme Court may have more sense than coup supporters to reject the charge. 

[halloween]

1 hour ago, Redline said:

What happened to reconciliation?  Time to move on

 

 

Reconciliation for a red means don't prosecute us for our crimes. Tough TIT.

[halloween]

34 minutes ago, BigBadGeordie said:

And passing a 2.73 trillion Baht budget in 2 and a half hours with limited debate is OK with you. I suppose?

 

Why not? The members would have been given the budget document to read through in advance, and as long as there are no items like "give B50 billion to my brother" there might be little to object to.

[BigBadGeordie]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

Why not? The members would have been given the budget document to read through in advance, and as long as there are no items like "give B50 billion to my brother" there might be little to object to.

None so deaf as those that will not hear.

None so blind as those that will not see.

Matthew Henry

Edited September 9, 2016 by BigBadGeordie
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[halloween]

7 minutes ago, BigBadGeordie said:

None so deaf as those that will not hear.

None so blind as those that will not see.

Matthew Henry

I really don't care about your personal problems. FYI the last Australian budget was was handed down at 19:30 Tuesday 3 May, 2016, and passed the same night.

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

Why not? The members would have been given the budget document to read through in advance, and as long as there are no items like "give B50 billion to my brother" there might be little to object to.

Thai Parliament has an elaborate process for scrutinising the government’s budget proposal and does in fact succeed in making amendments to the budget proposal (OCED Journal).

 

That the NLA has not done the deligence task of debating and scrutinizing the budget is malfeasance on their part but that is ok as they have "read" the documents. Laughable. 

[halloween]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Thai Parliament has an elaborate process for scrutinising the government’s budget proposal and does in fact succeed in making amendments to the budget proposal (OCED Journal).

 

That the NLA has not done the deligence task of debating and scrutinizing the budget is malfeasance on their part but that is ok as they have "read" the documents. Laughable. 

 

And it never occurred to you that the process takes place before the budget is read in parliament?

[Redline]

8 hours ago, halloween said:

 

Reconciliation for a red means don't prosecute us for our crimes. Tough TIT.

It will drag on for decades

[tbthailand]

19 hours ago, maoro2013 said:

How does the debating work now??

 

Hypocritical really.

189-0 with 3 abstentions...