British migrant rights defender Andy Hall found guilty in a shock ruling by Bangkok court

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, Deepinthailand said:

That sums it up perfectly so what about the very people he was supposed to be fighting for!!! Sod them then let them starve that's ok as long as the thing gets his way (which he wont) typical.

 

Can't you read? More jobs will be created by ethical companies filling the void left by Natural Fruit deservedly going out of business.

[Thechook]

10 hours ago, stander said:

People just need to see proof, not endless conspiracy theories  

Mate, you're obviously trolling.  Google is your friend , ask him

[Deepinthailand]

24 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Can't you read? More jobs will be created by ethical companies filling the void left by Natural Fruit deservedly going out of business.

I can read thank you. You have no idea about real life have you, so you belive one closes and next day a new one opens and employs all the ones made jobless yesterday. Get real for goodness sake. Tree huggers anonymous.

[stander]

39 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Mate, you're obviously trolling.  Google is your friend , ask him

Google confirms allegation, no verifiable reports.

What is verifiable is that Hall has been found guilty of defamation and has been sentenced to four year in prison, suspended for two years and fined 155,000Baht.

 

 

[Khun Han]

16 minutes ago, stander said:

Google confirms allegation, no verifiable reports.

What is verifiable is that Hall has been found guilty of defamation and has been sentenced to four year in prison, suspended for two years and fined 155,000Baht.

 

 

 

Actually, it's not verifiable. Andy was sentenced to three years suspended, which (as explained by the judges) would have been four years had he not co-operated with the court.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Khun Han

[Khun Han]

37 minutes ago, Deepinthailand said:

I can read thank you. You have no idea about real life have you, so you belive one closes and next day a new one opens and employs all the ones made jobless yesterday. Get real for goodness sake. Tree huggers anonymous.

 

Do you believe that the people made jobless will curl up and die, or do you believe that they will search for and find other (hopefully better) jobs? Do you believe that the Thai fruit industry won't notice when Natural Fruit goes out of business, and another company won't take it's place, meeting international ethics requirements, and taking on the extra staff needed to meet demand? You're the one who needs to get real! Dinosaurs Anonymous.

[newcomer71]

Someone is trying to do the same mess that has been done in Koh Tao threads, costing banning an suspension of some users.

Just my 2 cents, don't play their game.

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

The inbreed Hi-So Thai-Chines elite (not really a good description of a group of super greedy a-holes with no scruples at all) has a lot to loose here from Andy's work in both the Pineapple, fishery, chicken business (and not to forget the Koh Tao travesty of justice)    

[DiscoDan]

4 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

The owner of Natural Fruit's comment about foreigners perceiving themselves as above Thai sovereignty is absurd.  Andy Hall was not seeking to unseat the Thai government by revolution or to assert foreign extraterritoriality  and immunity from prosecution.  He was reporting to Finnwatch on a Thai company that was allegedly in violation of Thai labour laws on behalf of Finnish consumers who are entitled to be concerned about how their products are produced in foreign countries.  I hope they will exercise their discretion under Finnish law and sovereignty and buy elsewhere.   Natural Fruit will still be able sell its products to China and African countries that don't care about human rights. 

Most human right groups came out to say the defamation laws should be dropped not that Andy was innocent of charges.

 

How  many politicians fall foul of the same defamation laws ? where were the human right defenders when people like Abhisit and Jatuporn were being charged with the defamation ?

 

What the owner is saying is why should people like Andy not face charges for breaking thai laws but Thais should.

 

Just because he works in Human rights doesn't make him a god he has to be bound by the same laws we all do when we live here.

 

 

[DiscoDan]

49 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Do you believe that the people made jobless will curl up and die, or do you believe that they will search for and find other (hopefully better) jobs? Do you believe that the Thai fruit industry won't notice when Natural Fruit goes out of business, and another company won't take it's place, meeting international ethics requirements, and taking on the extra staff needed to meet demand? You're the one who needs to get real! Dinosaurs Anonymous.

Yes I am sure it would not take long to start up a ethical  pineapple company that could employ all of the 700 workers from natural fruit  

 

Maybe it should be up to the majority of people who work at these companies to decide there own future rather then getting a few disgruntled employees and starting a social media campaign so they all lose their jobs (like Andys MWRN and walkfree  has just done to 90 poultry workers)

[Deepinthailand]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

Do you believe that the people made jobless will curl up and die, or do you believe that they will search for and find other (hopefully better) jobs? Do you believe that the Thai fruit industry won't notice when Natural Fruit goes out of business, and another company won't take it's place, meeting international ethics requirements, and taking on the extra staff needed to meet demand? You're the one who needs to get real! Dinosaurs Anonymous.

Ethics ethics no company has your percived ethics what they say is not what they do. International ethics indeed.I see no point in continuing a conversation with someone who belives a guilty man has the god given right to do as He see's what he says is right and proper. Following blindly does not make you right either.  But you have at least admitted you don't care if the very people who are supposed to be helped by Hall are thrown out of work. Good on you.

[DiscoDan]

Not only do the dogooders  think Andy Should not have to follow the law of the land they also think Burmese migrants don't have to as well.

 

MWRN filed a complaint with Bophut Police back in Dec 2014 that Burmese workers were being fined to much for not having driving licenses.

 

Happy to turn a blind eye thats its against the law not to have a license  and if they have an accident they will be uninsured.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/787977-myanmar-migrant-bike-fines-by-thai-police-‘excessive’-ngo/

 

This article pretty much some up how much they care about peoples wellbeing and human rights., its ok that the people we support are driving without insurance and will probably have no way of paying their victims hospital costs but the good news is the migrant riding the bike will get  small fine.

 

Nuff said.

 

 

 

[IslandLover]

9 hours ago, DiscoDan said:

To all the posters who are saying Andy Hall is innocent can you please show me some evidence that the claims he made were true ?

 

and don't bother replying with excuses I just want to see the evidence e.g video of children working in the factory etc

 

Why don't you contact Finnwatch and ask them?

[DiscoDan]

4 minutes ago, IslandLover said:

 

Why don't you contact Finnwatch and ask them?

Maybe I should contact one of the mods/activists  from thailand justice  

 

I am sure if they had any proof they would be posting it all over the internet.

 

 

 

[Khun Han]

DiscoDan pretending to get on his high horse in support of Burmese migrants' rights to work. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pukeworthy. Unethical Thai businesses can more or less get away with what they want in Thailand, and they are happy to keep their business and working practices stuck in the mid-twentieth century because it maximises their immediate profits. When they try to expand into export to the first world, they get away with it at first, then they get found out. So they either modernise (as blue chip companies like CP have done), or they eventually fail because first world companies don't like the bad publicity that these unethical companies bring with them. If they modernise, they become more successful, and in the long term they make exponentially more money than they did before, and there are fare more jobs available in far better working conditions at far better wages for the workers (just like CP). But the ones that don't modernise end up failing eventually because of short-term greed and general stupidity ( Just like Natural Fruit are going to do soon). Of course, none of this is really of any interest to you because you're only in this discussion for an opportunity to stick the knife into Andy Hall, because of his involvement with the defence in the Koh Tao murders case, which is the sole reason for your membership of this forum .

 

Deepinthailand, please try to read and comprehend the above. Though I suspect your heart is too black to be able to do so.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Khun Han

[IslandLover]

17 minutes ago, DiscoDan said:

Maybe I should contact one of the mods/activists  from thailand justice  

 

I am sure if they had any proof they would be posting it all over the internet.

 

 

 

 

Sure, go ahead.  It's not like you haven't done it in the past.

[DiscoDan]

Looks like Andy's activists the Millers spoke of are back in action with a new  social  media campaign, telling us how Andy should be allowed to break thai laws and  how it's great that they helped make 90 poultry workers redundant

[Khun Han]

Looks like the Koh Tao serial killers' activists are back in action with an new internet campaign to try to discredit Andy Hall after they fell completely silent on the internet when the Koh Tao story went quiet, with leading light of the campaign DiscoDan not making a single post on ThaiVisa between a Koh Tao thread closing in June and the next one opening last week.

[meltingpot2015]

The links below says maximum sentence for defemation (criminal) in thailand is 2 years in Prison, not three years, which is what Andy Hall was sentenced to (suspended): 
http://www.chaninatandleeds.com/guide/defamation.html

http://www.thailandlaw.org/defamation-in-thailand.html

http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/criminal-code-defamation-sections-326-333/  -- (Section 328 and 326?)

Maybe the sentences for s328 and s326 were added-up. (2 years + 1 year)

 

Anyway, Thailand's criminal defamation laws are incompatible with the ICCPR (International covenant on civil and political rights). Thailand is a signatory to this covenant.

Edited September 21, 2016 by meltingpot2015

[007cableguy]

Looks like the Koh Tao serial killers' activists are back in action with an new internet campaign to try to discredit Andy Hall after they fell completely silent on the internet when the Koh Tao story went quiet, with leading light of the campaign DiscoDan not making a single post on ThaiVisa between a Koh Tao thread closing in June and the next one opening last week.

Best ignoring them as most of us know the reason they are on this and the KT threads... Sad people !

[happy Joe]

44 minutes ago, DiscoDan said:

Looks like Andy's activists the Millers spoke of are back in action with a new  social  media campaign, telling us how Andy should be allowed to break thai laws and  how it's great that they helped make 90 poultry workers redundant

Not only.

 

These professionals lesson givers seeking the spotlight at all times are a nuisance for all Westerners. In the specific case of this Hall he acted by 2 times by issuing serious accusations without any proof.

 

I find that Thai justice was too lenient and I hope that civil trial he will have to pay damages so high that we will défonitivement gotten rid of his presence.

 

This does not mean that all is well in Thailand but the Thai to reform their system and it was to show a great contempt to impose this puppet British as mentor.

[DiscoDan]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

Looks like the Koh Tao serial killers' activists are back in action with an new internet campaign to try to discredit Andy Hall after they fell completely silent on the internet when the Koh Tao story went quiet, with leading light of the campaign DiscoDan not making a single post on ThaiVisa between a Koh Tao thread closing in June and the next one opening last week.

Sorry been busy working with a publisher for  my  book and been doing a lot of research on modern rapid dna machines  no time for thai visa but don't worry I am back now.

[Khun Han]

25 minutes ago, DiscoDan said:

Sorry been busy working with a publisher for  my  book and been doing a lot of research on modern rapid dna machines  no time for thai visa but don't worry I am back now.

 

 

But that all came to a halt the instant a thread on the Koh Tao murders popped up on here.

 

Have you posted on any subjects other than the Koh Tao murders and Andy Hall since you came back?

 

By the way, this imaginary book. Do you have a decent imaginary proof reader for it? Wouldn't want to see it imaginarily spoiled by too many "been dones" and suchlike .

[007cableguy]

 



 

But that all came to a halt the instant a thread on the Koh Tao murders popped up on here.

 

Have you posted on any subjects other than the Koh Tao murders and Andy Hall since you came back?

 

By the way, this imaginary book. Do you have a decent imaginary proof reader for it? Wouldn't want to see it imaginarily spoiled by too many "been dones" and suchlike .

I would imagine any book would be based on fiction and a few fairy tales, Based on what said author likes to believe in.. Lol

[Deepinthailand]

10 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Edited September 22, 2016 by Deepinthailand
Forum posting error

[shillhater]

6 minutes ago, Deepinthailand said:

 

cat got your tongue? 

[DM07]

9 hours ago, DiscoDan said:

Not only do the dogooders  think Andy Should not have to follow the law of the land they also think Burmese migrants don't have to as well.

 

MWRN filed a complaint with Bophut Police back in Dec 2014 that Burmese workers were being fined to much for not having driving licenses.

 

Happy to turn a blind eye thats its against the law not to have a license  and if they have an accident they will be uninsured.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/787977-myanmar-migrant-bike-fines-by-thai-police-‘excessive’-ngo/

 

This article pretty much some up how much they care about peoples wellbeing and human rights., its ok that the people we support are driving without insurance and will probably have no way of paying their victims hospital costs but the good news is the migrant riding the bike will get  small fine.

 

Nuff said.

 

 

 

"Nuff said."

Really...you have!

 

[Deepinthailand]

Sure it said forum posting error.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Deepinthailand

[Deepinthailand]

9 minutes ago, DM07 said:

"Nuff said."

Really...you have!

 

Oh dear freedom of speech goes out of the window now. Where are the tree huggers are you coming to fight this injustice!!!!!!?

Edited September 22, 2016 by Deepinthailand

[meltingpot2015]

Some posts saying that this guy's actions could have cost migrants their jobs. Perhaps some truth in this.

 

If no one said/did anything about slavery in the U.S. Those slaves would still be working the fields.

One of the arguments put forward by the pro-slavery supporters was that slaves were not treated badly unless they were rebellious.

 

on the other hand Rufus King (who was in favour of abolition) had said: 

 

Quote

..laws or compacts imposing any such condition [slavery] upon any human being are absolutely void, because contrary to the law of nature, which is the law of God, by which he makes his ways known to man, and is paramount to all human control. 

 

Edited September 23, 2016 by meltingpot2015