4 minutes ago, vogie said:

£1 = 1.11 euro. Shot up? 

Went to 1.16 to the USD just because Draghi commented that the ECB might stop printing/bond buying and raise rates next year. Mouths move markets. If they raise rates then Italy will go pop!

9 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

I read the comments there.

Unbelievable what hate, has accumulated itself in 40 years of European partnership. Ignoring the fact that the UK has played a part in shaping this eu politics over 40 years. Some comments have real hitler level there.

 

always trust the Express for well balanced presentations of "news"

 

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The end of the Euro is nigh! Well?

 

The euro has gone up against the pound and dollar.  Your points being???

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by goldenbrwn1

11 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

always trust the Express for well balanced presentations of "news"

 

Yes I agree a lot of the comments are very much over the top nasty and anti EU but the same kind of comments can be found in the guardian or independent comments section..albeit nasty anti UK brexit comments.  It's the main story in the express that's a turning point and credible one at that.

3 hours ago, vogie said:

£1 = 1.11 euro. Shot up? 

against the dollar

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Went to 1.16 to the USD just because Draghi commented that the ECB might stop printing/bond buying and raise rates next year. Mouths move markets. If they raise rates then Italy will go pop!

He actually made dovish comments yesterday regarding tapering down but the traders don't believe him, I trust the traders, they have money in the game

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He actually made dovish comments yesterday regarding tapering down but the traders don't believe him, I trust the traders, they have money in the game

 

 

The day I trust a trader is the day we are all finished.

3 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

 

The euro has gone up against the pound and dollar.  Your points being???

 

 

 

The predicted collapse of the Euro is not going to happen in the short term.

 

The German pocket battleship Merkel is not about to sink.

 

The pound has lost 2% against the Euro THIS WEEK! Well done our brave Brexiteers!

 

Cue Pugwash......

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by Grouse

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Strip out the over-excitable blame throwing and what it seems we are left with here is an acknowledgement from some Hard Brexiteers that they don't have the people in government capable of negotiating the UK's way out of the Brexit paper bag. If they did think they had things under control then there wouldn't be the Its All Cameron's Fault mantra occupying their nightmare hours. Not an edifying sight. PS, I have yet to meet someone who knows what on earth they are saying when they shout 'Google It'. Probably would fall asleep if one started discussing search algorithms.

Cameron was, and still is, at fault for misleading the house, is own party and the country - he's never even apologised....  That's fact and not blame unless you have those two things in the same part of your head    The blame-game is just another aspect of the divisive politics which the UK is saddled with and it's been holding back and distorting the political landscape of UK in many ways  - not only this latest spat about Brexit.   

 

Barnier seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder about UK - not only about Brexit.  He has happily taken on the role of goading the UK's team into making silly mistakes by making unhelpful and downright incorrect statements.  It's a shame the UK's team leader is not strong enough to respond in kind and stop the flow of bile.  One wonders if Barniers tactic is to run the negotiations out of time. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Actually, even though I was born in the north of England I have lived in many countries and cities, London included. I have never had any issues, as I was brought up with manners and never found any people hostile. If that was an attempt at humour OK. If it wasn't then it failed.

You might not be pleased that I used to wear one of these:

 

2 minutes ago, jpinx said:

Cameron was, and still is, at fault for misleading the house, is own party and the country - he's never even apologised....  That's fact and not blame unless you have those two things in the same part of your head    The blame-game is just another aspect of the divisive politics which the UK is saddled with and it's been holding back and distorting the political landscape of UK in many ways  - not only this latest spat about Brexit.   

 

Barnier seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder about UK - not only about Brexit.  He has happily taken on the role of goading the UK's team into making silly mistakes by making unhelpful and downright incorrect statements.  It's a shame the UK's team leader is not strong enough to respond in kind and stop the flow of bile.  One wonders if Barniers tactic is to run the negotiations out of time.

yeah right. let's ask Cameron to say sorry.....that should fix it. Now, moving on, it is not silly mistakes, it is exposure of contradictory policy that is happening on the UK side. The EU team sounding more frustrated and bemused as to what the UK actually wants. And we are not particularly clear about that either.

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

The predicted collapse of the Euro is not going to happen in the short term.

 

The German pocket battleship Merkel is not about to sink.

 

The pound has lost 2% against the Euro THIS WEEK! Well done our brave Brexiteers!

 

Cue Pugwash......

So has the dollar... it's not pound weakness being the main agitator.... the Euro has become strong of late because of an improving 'overall' EU economy. An EU econony doing well also bodes well for us.  And who in their right mind would want the Euro or the EU to collapse anyway....oh don't answer that please... there are nutters on both sides. 

 

Cue Master Bates......

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by goldenbrwn1

Pressure on for Brexit transitional arrangements: http://tinyurl.com/yak76tbc

 

29 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

yeah right. let's ask Cameron to say sorry.....that should fix it. Now, moving on, it is not silly mistakes, it is exposure of contradictory policy that is happening on the UK side. The EU team sounding more frustrated and bemused as to what the UK actually wants. And we are not particularly clear about that either.

 

Sorry, but can you be more specific about which areas the UK negotiating team is not clear on, and why they're not clear? On migration and residency they've been perfectly  clear. On the ridiculous exit bill they've been perfectly clear, and have asked for a detailed breakdown, which the EU is unable to provide. The soft border in Ireland, we've not heard too much on specifics from either side. And the EU won't discuss trade until the first three are out of the way.

 

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

Cameron was, and still is, at fault for misleading the house, is own party and the country - he's never even apologised....  That's fact and not blame unless you have those two things in the same part of your head    The blame-game is just another aspect of the divisive politics which the UK is saddled with and it's been holding back and distorting the political landscape of UK in many ways  - not only this latest spat about Brexit.   

 

Barnier seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder about UK - not only about Brexit.  He has happily taken on the role of goading the UK's team into making silly mistakes by making unhelpful and downright incorrect statements.  It's a shame the UK's team leader is not strong enough to respond in kind and stop the flow of bile.  One wonders if Barniers tactic is to run the negotiations out of time. 

 

 

Agree entirely about Cameron and this man should have ordered the creation of an exit plan in case of a leave vote way before the referendum. It's no good blaming anyone else. The whole thing was and is his absolute responsibility.

 

I think that you will find in the final outcome that David Davis will prove to be stronger than Barmier. But he has a lot of people to fight at the same time and he could have done without one hand tied behind his back. 

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

The predicted collapse of the Euro is not going to happen in the short term.

 

The German pocket battleship Merkel is not about to sink.

 

The pound has lost 2% against the Euro THIS WEEK! Well done our brave Brexiteers!

 

Cue Pugwash......

Euro collapse, no, not short term.

 

The SS Merkel only has a slight list for now.

 

The pound has lost 2% against the Euro in 3 days but most of that's on sentiment after Draghi spoke. 

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

yeah right. let's ask Cameron to say sorry.....that should fix it. Now, moving on, it is not silly mistakes, it is exposure of contradictory policy that is happening on the UK side. The EU team sounding more frustrated and bemused as to what the UK actually wants. And we are not particularly clear about that either.

An apology will fix nothing apart from illustrating the rapidity of the U-turns the UK's leaders are capable of....  What it might do is wake the population up to their apathy. 

As for clarity  -- Barnier has provided no outline details of the divorce-bill he's talking about. All we get are vague ideas of a total from 60 to 100 billion - but no idea how these figures are arrived at -- not even in broad-brush terms.   Immigration is clear from UK's side - UK wants to control immigration into UK -- it's that simple.  The EU want to clutter up UK's immigration with all kinds of pre-existing conditions.  The status of a non-UK citizen living in UK is a matter for the UK -- not for the EU -- but they have trouble accepting this. 

 

When it comes down to it -- the only thing the EU wants is not to lose the contribution made by UK, and they try to disguise their budget woes under a cloak of other issues.

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Agree entirely about Cameron and this man should have ordered the creation of an exit plan in case of a leave vote way before the referendum. It's no good blaming anyone else. The whole thing was and is his absolute responsibility.

 

I think that you will find in the final outcome that David Davis will prove to be stronger than Barmier. But he has a lot of people to fight at the same time and he could have done without one hand tied behind his back. 

Uh OK then. So now we have it. David Davis is the last man standing this week in shining armour. Theresa May ever-so slightly worn and a little bit discarded by the Hard Brexiteers it looks like. Yes, carry on!

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by SheungWan

10 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Uh OK then. So now we have it. David Davis is the last man standing this week in shining armour. Theresa May ever-so slightly worn and a little bit discarded by the Hard Brexiteers it looks like. Yes, carry on!

............and the only thing the remainers want is to not leave the EU - at any price   

 

Politics is always about money and power -- it's got diddly-squat to do with what's good for the country

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by jpinx

Yes please, we can but hope,
 

There’ll be an ‘EXPLOSION’ Barnier warns of EU meltdown if Britain doesn't pay Brexit bill

 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/831064/Brexit-news-Michel-Barnier-EU-meltdown-Britain-refuses-pay-divorce-bill

Never ceases to amaze me that Brexiteers continue to wish the worse for the EU. What is this obsession about? The U.K is leaving, what do you care what happens to the EU?


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9 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

 

Never ceases to amaze me that Brexiteers continue to wish the worse for the EU. What is this obsession about? The U.K is leaving, what do you care what happens to the EU?


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Far from it, IMO, as a Bexiteer I wish all European countries well and hope they prosper - I hope we all do.

 

I hate the EU and it's autocrats but  love Europe.

20 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

 

Never ceases to amaze me that Brexiteers continue to wish the worse for the EU. What is this obsession about? The U.K is leaving, what do you care what happens to the EU?


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Uh.....did you read the article? It's Barnier talking, not brexiters.

 
 
Far from it, IMO, as a Bexiteer I wish all European countries well and hope they prosper - I hope we all do.
 
I hate the EU and it's autocrats but  love Europe.

A serious question. What have these autocrats ever done to you to bring out such a strong feeling as hate?


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28 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

 

A serious question. What have these autocrats ever done to you to bring out such a strong feeling as hate?


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If you can't work out the answer to that, you are truly lost. Autocracy is never the answer in government.

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Sorry, but can you be more specific about which areas the UK negotiating team is not clear on, and why they're not clear? On migration and residency they've been perfectly  clear. On the ridiculous exit bill they've been perfectly clear, and have asked for a detailed breakdown, which the EU is unable to provide. The soft border in Ireland, we've not heard too much on specifics from either side. And the EU won't discuss trade until the first three are out of the way.

 

is that piece " unable to provide a breakdown/itemised bill " substantiated?

sounds rather odd if they cannot provide that

 

 

1 hour ago, Johnyo said:

 

Never ceases to amaze me that Brexiteers continue to wish the worse for the EU. What is this obsession about? The U.K is leaving, what do you care what happens to the EU?


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Sounds like if the hard 'sovereignty' Brexit dreamed off by so many happened (beleive me it won't - money and power and big business will trump the Brexit means Brexit crowd - it's always  about 'the economy stupid' as Bill Clinton remarked) then the financial calamity that would inevitably ensue will be blamed on those who counselled against it.

 

It's getting softer by the day which is exactly as it should be common sense prevailing at last. If I was a hard brexiteer now 's the time to get your betrayal arguments polished up and out of the traps !

29 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

is that piece " unable to provide a breakdown/itemised bill " substantiated?

sounds rather odd if they cannot provide that

 

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.politico.eu/article/eu-clarifies-stance-brexit-bill-michel-barnier-david-davis/amp/

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Sounds like if the hard 'sovereignty' Brexit dreamed off by so many happened (beleive me it won't - money and power and big business will trump the Brexit means Brexit crowd - it's always  about 'the economy stupid' as Bill Clinton remarked) then the financial calamity that would inevitably ensue will be blamed on those who counselled against it.

 

It's getting softer by the day which is exactly as it should be common sense prevailing at last. If I was a hard brexiteer now 's the time to get your betrayal arguments polished up and out of the traps !

 

Didn't you flounce a couple of days ago?

Just now, Khun Han said:

 

Didn't you flounce a couple of days ago?

I did you're right calmed down now by all the good news starting to come out of the talks - words such a compromise , transition , extension which if my instincts are correct that the vast majority of the political and business class have no appetite for economic suicide then this is how the game will be played from now on. What I like to think as as Brexit doesn't really mean Brexit.