May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Grouse]

10 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Yes, let's forget about brexit. And, when we are fully integrated into the EU and the Eurozone, and we have become the biggest subsidiser of an already heavily subsidised German economy, we will all be wondering what all the fuss was about. Damn clever those Germans, aren't they?

 

Han, the point is this.

 

Inequality is MUCH less in the EU generally. You don't tend to get the extremes

 

Certainly you do not see the appalling poverty (or the violence that often accompanies it)

 

Why the phobia about Germany?

 

Do you have direct experience as many of us here have?

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, Johnyo said:

 

Who happened to kill a pro leave campaigner during one of the most vile campaigns I remember so for you to dismiss Gina as a drama queen is not only bad taste but as low life as it can get. Do you know her? Do you know how scared she really is? Have you felt threatened in your life? Pathetic


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He's one Brexiteer who left his moral compass at home ... or perhaps never possessed one in the first place?

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by AlexRich

[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, jpinx said:

The original "deal" was for Germany to get tarrifs lifted on its exports, France got huge subsidies for it's antiquated, inefficient agricultural industry, and the Italians got the "free movement of Labour" to relieve the chronically bad economy of Southern Italy.  Signing up to join a group like that was never going to end well.  Remember the French Farmers reaction to UK farm produce being shipped to EU? 

 

Your understanding of the history and the raison d'être of the EU are WAY OFF!

 

PLEASE read up on all of this

 

PLEASE take a look at EU countries......

 

The original "deal" was to avoid war!!!!!!!

 

Finally, look at UK GDP performance since joining the EU. GO ON LOOK AT IT!!!

[Grouse]

7 minutes ago, jpinx said:

The EU, like all groupings, associations, teams, whatever is doomed to be only as good as it's weakest member.  It's just taking time for that level to be reached and on the way down there a few sound-minded members will jump ship, even if there are no liferafts, because swimming is preferable to being sucked to the seabed when the ship goes down...

 

The plan was to lift up the weaker members and increase the size of the successful market

[Grouse]

Is it any wonder I coined the phrase numpties??

[AlexRich]

Just now, Grouse said:

Is it any wonder I coined the phrase numpties??

 

2016 is the "Year of the Numpties" ... Brexit, Trump ... a chav revolt by the working man led by right wing agenda laden Tories and the crypto-racist UKIP. 

[jpinx]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Your understanding of the history and the raison d'être of the EU are WAY OFF!

 

PLEASE read up on all of this

 

PLEASE take a look at EU countries......

 

The original "deal" was to avoid war!!!!!!!

 

Finally, look at UK GDP performance since joining the EU. GO ON LOOK AT IT!!!

That is just another opinion, to suit a specific and narrow viewpoint.  The reality is that the Germans *did* get the tarrifs lifted, the French *did* get farm subsidies, and the Italians *did* get the right to work anywhere.  There was no threat of war to be averted.

 

The GDP is only one of many indicators, but it is perfectly reasonable to take the view that the GDP would have done exactly the same due to factors other than the Common Market.

 

Germany and France were the authors -- what was their intent in terms of conquest?  Can it be said definitely that Germany is not playing the long game of European conquest that they have failed to accomplish militarily on several occasions.  Don't forget that "Germany", as it was in 1970, was a very young country composed of an amalgamation of principalities and the idea of welding states together was still fresh in their collective political memories.  There attitude was, "We've done it to all these principalities, why not do it with more countries?"

 

Before the broadside of reply is fired -- This posting is based on a close personal knowledge of some of the families of those said Principalities.....

[jpinx]

12 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Is it any wonder I coined the phrase numpties??

By looking in a mirror ?  : )   (joke ) 

[jpinx]

14 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

The plan was to lift up the weaker members and increase the size of the successful market

That was the Campaign Promise -- where was it written on paper alongside the relief of tarrifs, subsidies, and labour freedoms? 

Like all Campaign Promises, it was sold as such  for the benefit of the numpties. 

[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, jpinx said:

By looking in a mirror ?  : )   (joke ) 

 

How very dare you 

[jpinx]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

....................

Finally, look at UK GDP performance since joining the EU. GO ON LOOK AT IT!!!

This is a nice one....

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp

the only countries in the whole world increasing their GDP are USA, China, India, Venezuala, Egypt and HongKong....

.... now what does that tells us?

 

....And the history of UK's GDP  - What does that tell us?

 

 

There's not a single professor of economics who can make sense of it -- or he'd be a millionaire on the markets

 

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by jpinx

[Grouse]

12 minutes ago, jpinx said:

That is just another opinion, to suit a specific and narrow viewpoint.  The reality is that the Germans *did* get the tarrifs lifted, the French *did* get farm subsidies, and the Italians *did* get the right to work anywhere.  There was no threat of war to be averted.

 

The GDP is only one of many indicators, but it is perfectly reasonable to take the view that the GDP would have done exactly the same due to factors other than the Common Market.

 

Germany and France were the authors -- what was their intent in terms of conquest?  Can it be said definitely that Germany is not playing the long game of European conquest that they have failed to accomplish militarily on several occasions.  Don't forget that "Germany", as it was in 1970, was a very young country composed of an amalgamation of principalities and the idea of welding states together was still fresh in their collective political memories.  There attitude was, "We've done it to all these principalities, why not do it with more countries?"

 

Before the broadside of reply is fired -- This posting is based on a close personal knowledge of some of the families of those said Principalities.....

 

I will not publicly eviscerate you, but please do read up a little more of the histories.

 

It is not a matter of opinion but fact.

 

Enlightenment is a great thing......

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, jpinx said:

This is a nice one....

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp

the only countries in the whole world increasing their GDP are USA, China, India, Venezuala, Egypt and HongKong....

.... now what does that tells us?

 

....And the history of UK's GDP  - What does that tell us?

 

 

There's not a single professor of economics who can make sense of it -- or he'd be a millionaire on the markets

 

 

 

That you dont have up to date data?

[jpinx]

History was what the teacher wanted.  

GDP has grown by a compounded rate of 2.6% a year since 1948

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/explaining-economic-statistics/long-term-profile-of-gdp-in-the-uk/sty-long-term-profile-of-gdp.html

 

We wait for what teacher will demonstrate from these archives

[jpinx]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

I will not publicly eviscerate you, but please do read up a little more of the histories.

 

It is not a matter of opinion but fact.

 

Enlightenment is a great thing......

Please don't restrain yourself.  :)

[jpinx]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

That you dont have up to date data?

If the link is studied, it will be seen to be "up to 2016"

[CharlieK]

8 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

I will not publicly eviscerate you, but please do read up a little more of the histories.

 

It is not a matter of opinion but fact.

 

Enlightenment is a great thing......

 you need to read his signature. he's giving us a clue! You can't argue with idiots. lol

[A1Str8]

May is ready lol. Don't worry May, the outcome has already been decided. 

[CharlieK]

11 minutes ago, jpinx said:

If the link is studied, it will be seen to be "up to 2016"

 

So really if it wasn't for EU workers in the UK the GDP would be even worse! There wouldn't even be a rush by unemployed UK nationals to fill those vacancies. I would suggest if EU workers decide to leave the UK many businesses would close down.  

[jpinx]

One could study the employment and immigration figures and maybe make a stab at what was going on, otherwise assumptions are just that,,,,,

[CharlieK]

3 minutes ago, jpinx said:

One could study the employment and immigration figures and maybe make a stab at what was going on, otherwise assumptions are just that,,,,,

 

careful now, you might end up contradicting yourself! lol

[jpinx]

1 minute ago, CharlieK said:

 

careful now, you might end up contradicting yourself! lol

Difficult to contradict no stance, other than berating the confrontational party politics which has produced the mess the UK is in now...

[Johnyo]

 
So really if it wasn't for EU workers in the UK the GDP would be even worse! There wouldn't even be a rush by unemployed UK nationals to fill those vacancies. I would suggest if EU workers decide to leave the UK many businesses would close down.  

You need to watch a program on Channel 4 called Benefits Streets. I think there are a few episodes in you tube. These people apparently are being robbed of jobs by foreigners. It's a really good laugh. Like these useless unemployable creatures you will find across the length and width of the country.


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[Grouse]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp

 

Here are the actual GDP figures to date. I will get the numbers into the computer and perform some analyses from pre and post joining EU/EEC

 

However 2.5% growth per annum over 40 years is pretty damn good. What's that awful Americanism? If it ain't broke don't fix it?

 

So yes, let's leave the EU and emulate the USA. More inequality! Fools.

[Johnyo]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp
 
Here are the actual GDP figures to date. I will get the numbers into the computer and perform some analyses from pre and post joining EU/EEC
 
However 2.5% growth per annum over 40 years is pretty damn good. What's that awful Americanism? If it ain't broke don't fix it?
 
So yes, let's leave the EU and emulate the USA. More inequality! Fools.

Yes but they get the country back. From whom or what I have no idea.


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[Grouse]

http://www.poverty.org.uk/e14/index.shtml

 

here are the Gini coefficients for the EU. 

 

UK is close to worst

 

Trying to find trend over last 50 years. I tell you, this is key!

 

Growth with high inequality is dangerous as we are finding out!

[Grouse]

http://www.ifs.org.uk/docs/ER_JC_2013.pdf

 

Would be good to see latest figures!

 

Guess who was PM during greatest rise in inequality?

[jpinx]

If political scientists could work out what is really happening, they'd be able to work out a strategy that would avoid mistakes, and every MP has plenty of political scientists/advisors, so what has been the problem over the last 50 years?   It is nothing other than egotistical, confrontational party politics.  They will do *anything* to beat the opposition, including dragging the country into yet another quagmire.  Look at Harold Wilsons referendum, and now Camerons.  Both inspired not by a will to serve the country, but a need to beat their political rivals.   It would be an insult to ordinary numpties to call them out for being the same. 

[jpinx]

14 minutes ago, Grouse said:

http://www.ifs.org.uk/docs/ER_JC_2013.pdf

 

Would be good to see latest figures!

 

Guess who was PM during greatest rise in inequality?

Taking a swipe at whoever was PM when "such'n'such" happened is typical behaviour and is not helping matters.  Leave personalities out of it -- concentrate on the policies -- or lack of them -- that's the root of the problem.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, jpinx said:

If political scientists could work out what is really happening, they'd be able to work out a strategy that would avoid mistakes, and every MP has plenty of political scientists/advisors, so what has been the problem over the last 50 years?   It is nothing other than egotistical, confrontational party politics.  They will do *anything* to beat the opposition, including dragging the country into yet another quagmire.  Look at Harold Wilsons referendum, and now Camerons.  Both inspired not by a will to serve the country, but a need to beat their political rivals.   It would be an insult to ordinary numpties to call them out for being the same. 

 

Cod political science masquerading as 'why oh why oh why?'