May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[AlexRich]

7 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/investor-who-backed-brexit-sees-euro-breaking-up-within-5-years

 

For how long and how many times have I said this.

 

But what would I know. Apparently I am just an uneducated brexiteer.

 

I'm impressed with your self-awareness.

 

[AlexRich]

Nigel Farage and friends have cancelled their march on the Supreme Court. 

 

I thought Brexit was about 'taking back control' from the European Courts? It seems that it's also about intimidating the UK courts when they interpret the law correctly ... but you don't happen to like it?

 

As each day passes we get closer to Nazi Germany ... Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving!

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/probrexit-march-on-supreme-court-cancelled-over-fears-it-might-be-hijacked-by-farright-groups-a3406836.html

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

Correct about London, by my reckoning about 40% come under the "uneducated and stupid" banner.

 

Its an Outer Zone problem. Almost as bad as the provinces.

[AlexRich]

36 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Its an Outer Zone problem. Almost as bad as the provinces.

 

Romford. 

[Richard W]

12 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Last time I checked votes were anonymous - although the last time I voted (a long time ago) somebody asked me (after the vote) how I had voted and I told her it had nothing to do with her how I voted.

They're as anonymous as TV user names.

 

The reports are based on people who do cooperate with pollsters.  There are a lot who do.

[SgtRock]

Poor old Draghi continues to blow smoke up the @rses of the EUrocrats

 

Quote

Draghi Warns U.K. Likely to Suffer Most If Hard Brexit Hits

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/draghi-warns-u-k-likely-to-suffer-most-if-hard-brexit-arrives

 

If I was you Draghi, I would not be too concerned about Brexit, which is at least 2 years away.

 

Your focus should be on the EUR / EZ which, quite possibly, may not be around in 2 years, or at the very least a disaster area.

[SgtRock]

9 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

I'm impressed with your self-awareness.

 

 

Well done.

 

Nothing to say apart from insults.

 

How so remoaner like.

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, SgtRock said:

Poor old Draghi continues to blow smoke up the @rses of the EUrocrats

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/draghi-warns-u-k-likely-to-suffer-most-if-hard-brexit-arrives

 

If I was you Draghi, I would not be too concerned about Brexit, which is at least 2 years away.

 

Your focus should be on the EUR / EZ which, quite possibly, may not be around in 2 years, or at the very least a disaster area.

 

The problem for poor Draghi is that he has not undertaken your substantial research into the subject ... he probably doesn't even know how to find the Daily Express web site! And he possibly has never met a shop worker from Ferrara? 

 

So he makes the bold statement that the UK will be worse off outside the EU ... but no quotes, citations, etc. Can't be true then, can it?

 

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, SgtRock said:

 

Well done.

 

Nothing to say apart from insults.

 

How so remoaner like.

 

 

Insults like:

 

"Poor old Draghi continues to blow smoke up the @rses of the Eurocrats"

 

I could of course trawl back into other posts, but that one is sufficient ... pot calling the kettle black, methinks?

 

[nontabury]

On November 28, 2016 at 2:34 PM, AlexRich said:

 

 

I'm afraid you lost me there? They fought the facist ... what are UKIP? You don't have to dig to deep to find similar sentiments ... Farage's migrant poster spoke volumes about them. Facists are on the rise ... history is repeating itself.  

 

 

 So you are not prepared to admit that it's people like yourself,along with the rest of the Remoaners who are the present day fascist. Re-read your own post,especially those where you insult the very generation that actually physically fought against the fascist. Thus enabling the likes of you to have free speech and a vote. And now you are wanting to disregard other people's vote because it does't tally with yours.

 

[sandyf]

It is fairly obvious that many are unaware that the single currency was the dream of the central European countries of decades and also display a distinct lack of experience regarding the pre Euro days in Europe. The Euro is not going anywhere, the Eurozone like any other institution is open to modification.

I was there in the early seventies and used to drive back and fore to the UK. Depending on the route it meant 2 or 3 border crossings, quite often the border crossing on the motorway going into Holland resembled an airport car park. I had to carry various currencies in the glove compartment to meet any call of nature during the journey.

We were in Germany close to the Dutch border and Venlo was the nearest large town. If you wanted to go shopping at the weekend you had to get the guilders during the week or you were at the mercy of the traders if marks were used. The rural border crossings were more meticulous than the main roads so a search was almost inevitable. That put a restriction on what actual shopping could be carried out as it was illegal to bring any fresh produce back over the border.

It would appear that many are of the opinion the Europeans actually want to return to that way of life.

[sandyf]

Another touch of reality.

 

“If you join the club and you wish to leave the club, you leave in accordance with the rules when you joined the club," Ms Sharpston added. "The rules of this club are the ones contained in Article 50, and the interpretation of those rules is a matter for this Court (the ECJ).”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-supreme-court-high-court-european-court-of-justice-ultimate-authority-ruling-a7446716.html

[rockingrobin]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Another touch of reality.

 

“If you join the club and you wish to leave the club, you leave in accordance with the rules when you joined the club," Ms Sharpston added. "The rules of this club are the ones contained in Article 50, and the interpretation of those rules is a matter for this Court (the ECJ).”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-supreme-court-high-court-european-court-of-justice-ultimate-authority-ruling-a7446716.html

The NI  appeal is questioning irrevocability of Art 50 , making ECJ referral likely

[jpinx]

4 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The NI  appeal is questioning irrevocability of Art 50 , making ECJ referral likely

The author of Art50 has already made it clear that it is not irrevocable.

[jpinx]

This is not going to be about Brexit - it's going to be about the combinations of the Italian, French, German and Dutch votes during next year.  All will become clear as the people will choose what they want -- despite Brussels.

[sandyf]

8 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The NI  appeal is questioning irrevocability of Art 50 , making ECJ referral likely

With all the legal problems arising it is almost inevitable that at least one case ends up in the ECJ. 

All those that want to blame every tom, dick and harry, plus the judges, should be looking at DC and TM. After all it is them that thought they could and can bypass the due parliamentary process.

[jpinx]

The reality - - if everyone can bear to read it,,,

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36956418

 

 

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 So you are not prepared to admit that it's people like yourself,along with the rest of the Remoaners who are the present day fascist. Re-read your own post,especially those where you insult the very generation that actually physically fought against the fascist. Thus enabling the likes of you to have free speech and a vote. And now you are wanting to disregard other people's vote because it does't tally with yours.

 

 

Im not that pleased that Germans voted for the National Socialists either. As for insulting old soldiers, that's a laugh coming from someone who uses their sacrifice to justify a point ... playing the "guilt" card ... fighting in a war doesn't give you a life immunity from criticism ... and many of those old blokes voted to stay ... that's a trick straight out of the Sun newspaper. So poor is your case that you have to use it.

[rockingrobin]

3 hours ago, jpinx said:

The author of Art50 has already made it clear that it is not irrevocable.

The ability to unilaterally withdraw the withdrawal notification changes the landscape. It would result in the referendum campaign continuing throughout the negotiating period and with a likely scenario of accept the new deal or maintain status quo put to another referendum or parliament.

The HC ruling was based on Art 50 being irrevocable .

[jpinx]

22 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The ability to unilaterally withdraw the withdrawal notification changes the landscape. It would result in the referendum campaign continuing throughout the negotiating period and with a likely scenario of accept the new deal or maintain status quo put to another referendum or parliament.

The HC ruling was based on Art 50 being irrevocable .

The Author made his commentary before the HC ruling, so who's got egg on their face(s) now?

[dick dasterdly]

On 11/29/2016 at 5:41 AM, Richard W said:

They're as anonymous as TV user names.

 

The reports are based on people who do cooperate with pollsters.  There are a lot who do.

That makes sense - the pollsters asked x number of people about how they were going to vote/education level etc.

 

But then we come back to the 'old' problem of the pollsters got it wrong on the referendum result.  Not to mention that most people (IMO) would not have the time of day for a pollster asking anything other than a yes/no question - so they were reliant on those who were prepared to provide answers to detailed questions?

 

Which rather makes a mockery of the argument that 'the intelligent/educated voted to remain whereas the stupid/uneducated voted to leave'!

[dick dasterdly]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

It is fairly obvious that many are unaware that the single currency was the dream of the central European countries of decades and also display a distinct lack of experience regarding the pre Euro days in Europe. The Euro is not going anywhere, the Eurozone like any other institution is open to modification.

I was there in the early seventies and used to drive back and fore to the UK. Depending on the route it meant 2 or 3 border crossings, quite often the border crossing on the motorway going into Holland resembled an airport car park. I had to carry various currencies in the glove compartment to meet any call of nature during the journey.

We were in Germany close to the Dutch border and Venlo was the nearest large town. If you wanted to go shopping at the weekend you had to get the guilders during the week or you were at the mercy of the traders if marks were used. The rural border crossings were more meticulous than the main roads so a search was almost inevitable. That put a restriction on what actual shopping could be carried out as it was illegal to bring any fresh produce back over the border.

It would appear that many are of the opinion the Europeans actually want to return to that way of life.

A tiny percentage of Brits. have to go back and forth through various EU countries - and those that did/do ensured that they had the required currency to cover their travel.  A minor inconvenience.

Edited November 30, 2016 by dick dasterdly

[jpinx]

8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

That makes sense - the pollsters asked x number of people about how they were going to vote/education level etc.

 

But then we come back to the 'old' problem of the pollsters got it wrong on the referendum result.  Not to mention that most people (IMO) would not have the time of day for a pollster asking anything other than a yes/no question - so they were reliant on those who were prepared to provide answers to detailed questions?

 

Which rather makes a mockery of the argument that 'the intelligent/educated voted to remain whereas the stupid/uneducated voted to leave'!

The streets are full of people, a pollster pops up and tried to engage in a question -- who is most likely to pause?  The person with time on their hands.  What time of day did the pollsters do their work? Lunchtime? pre-office hours? in the pub?  So many variables that it's no wonder they got it wrong......

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, jpinx said:

The reality - - if everyone can bear to read it,,,

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36956418

 

 

From the link - looks a bit out of date.

Consumer confidence has returned to pre-referendum levels in September with shoppers shrugging off concerns and continuing to spend. They have been helped by higher wages, low inflation, and the Bank of England's record low interest rates, according to GfK.

---------------------------------------------------------

The GfK Consumer Confidence Barometer, which surveys 2,000 people, recorded a measure of –22 for confidence in the economy over the next year, down from -17 in October and –9 in September. A negative number means more people think things will get worse than vice versa.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/consumer-confidence-down-uk-economy-outlook-a7446126.html

 

[rockingrobin]

5 minutes ago, jpinx said:

The Author made his commentary before the HC ruling, so who's got egg on their face(s) now?

The author did not insert any notice withdrawal procedure in Art 50. Both the UK  gov and claimant requested the HC to proceed , on the assumption notification irrevocable .

The irrevocability is a matter of EU law and is therefore the ECJ decision

[jpinx]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

It is fairly obvious that many are unaware that the single currency was the dream of the central European countries of decades and also display a distinct lack of experience regarding the pre Euro days in Europe. The Euro is not going anywhere, the Eurozone like any other institution is open to modification.

I was there in the early seventies and used to drive back and fore to the UK. Depending on the route it meant 2 or 3 border crossings, quite often the border crossing on the motorway going into Holland resembled an airport car park. I had to carry various currencies in the glove compartment to meet any call of nature during the journey.

We were in Germany close to the Dutch border and Venlo was the nearest large town. If you wanted to go shopping at the weekend you had to get the guilders during the week or you were at the mercy of the traders if marks were used. The rural border crossings were more meticulous than the main roads so a search was almost inevitable. That put a restriction on what actual shopping could be carried out as it was illegal to bring any fresh produce back over the border.

It would appear that many are of the opinion the Europeans actually want to return to that way of life.

Please don't think you were alone, many of us were commuting on a regular basis across three or four countries in the late 60's and early 70's and I never heard anyone complain too much.

[AlexRich]

14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

That makes sense - the pollsters asked x number of people about how they were going to vote/education level etc.

 

But then we come back to the 'old' problem of the pollsters got it wrong on the referendum result.  Not to mention that most people (IMO) would not have the time of day for a pollster asking anything other than a yes/no question - so they were reliant on those who were prepared to provide answers to detailed questions?

 

Which rather makes a mockery of the argument that 'the intelligent/educated voted to remain whereas the stupid/uneducated voted to leave'!

 

Even the anecdotal evidence supports the claim ... YouTube brexit supporter vox pops and you'll get a variety of uneducated people banging on about 'getting rid of immigrants' ... or break it down by voting location ... if you are claiming that the majority of the UK's brightest people voted for Brexit, you are fooling yourself.

 

[jpinx]

4 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The author did not insert any notice withdrawal procedure in Art 50. Both the UK  gov and claimant requested the HC to proceed , on the assumption notification irrevocable .

The irrevocability is a matter of EU law and is therefore the ECJ decision

I'm sure all this will be resolved in the appeals process.  The chances of it getting to the ECJ are pretty slim because of the timescale.  It takes quite some time to get a case in front of our lords and masters....

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, jpinx said:

Please don't think you were alone, many of us were commuting on a regular basis across three or four countries in the late 60's and early 70's and I never heard anyone complain too much.

 

But now we've all got something to compare it to ... the idea that we'd all be happy to go back to that period is ridiculous.

[dick dasterdly]

4 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 So you are not prepared to admit that it's people like yourself,along with the rest of the Remoaners who are the present day fascist. Re-read your own post,especially those where you insult the very generation that actually physically fought against the fascist. Thus enabling the likes of you to have free speech and a vote. And now you are wanting to disregard other people's vote because it does't tally with yours.

 

Difficult one as I've no doubt that many Brits. are becoming racist.

 

Blame that on the EU and Brit. govts. as they approved of an open borders policy - which is great for big business and political interests, but not so great for the indigenous poorly paid in prosperous countries.