Retirement Extension at Jomtien

[NanLaew]

Almost that time of the year again, due late January. I understand that I can file up to 30-days early.

 

Has anyone recently done a retirement extension at Jomtien using the proof of income (embassy letter) method? Just checking to see if there's been any local changes to the list of paperwork required. Last year was TM 7 form, passport, copy of personal data page, TM6 (departure) card and all pages relevant to previous enabling visa and/or extensions, embassy-issued income letter verifying overseas income (foreign bank account), Thai bank statement (1-year), rental agreement and 1900 baht.

 

This is Pattaya-specific, so is that it?

 

Thanks!

NL

[wpcoe]

I'm in the same boat:  current extension expires 21-January-2017, and I'll be using (USA) embassy income letter so I'll be watching this thread with interest.

 

Did you need one year's worth of bank statements (passbook pages?) and rental contract last year?  i.e.  Did they ask for it, or did you simply offer it and they accepted it?

[KittenKong]

A friend did it a couple of weeks ago. No new/extra documents required beyond copies of passport pages, TM7 and apartment rental receipt and of course his letter from the consulate. He did not present his bank book nor was he asked for it.

 

I do mine with a bank deposit of 800kB but have never been asked to show my day-to-day bank account details: just the time deposit book and covering bank letter. As a condo owner I also show a utility bill, plus the usual photocopies, fee, photo etc.

 

One new extra not related to the extension is the "information" form, which I left almost entirely blank as nearly none of it applied to me. That's a one-off anyway.

[NanLaew]

39 minutes ago, wpcoe said:

I'm in the same boat:  current extension expires 21-January-2017, and I'll be using (USA) embassy income letter so I'll be watching this thread with interest.

 

Did you need one year's worth of bank statements (passbook pages?) and rental contract last year?  i.e.  Did they ask for it, or did you simply offer it and they accepted it?

For the overseas income letter from the embassy, I show them 1-year of statements (Jan-Dec) with the key deposits highlighted. Those numbers totaled up are what I put on the embassy income information form. They do the rest. This year will be a bit different as the UK embassy only does income letters by EMS mail now so no trip to Bangkok required.

 

For the local bank account, I get the bank to print me a 1-year (Jan-Dec) statement. Takes about 4 days (comes from head office) and they charge 100 baht. Immigration sighted this and returned, no copy required which is good as it is dot-matrix printer 'concertina' format and a PIA to copy.

 

Last year they also sighted the original rental contract but I don't recall them needing a copy either.

[NanLaew]

30 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

A friend did it a couple of weeks ago. No new/extra documents required beyond copies of passport pages, TM7 and apartment rental receipt and of course his letter from the consulate. He did not present his bank book nor was he asked for it.

 

I do mine with a bank deposit of 800kB but have never been asked to show my day-to-day bank account details: just the time deposit book and covering bank letter. As a condo owner I also show a utility bill, plus the usual photocopies, fee, photo etc.

 

One new extra not related to the extension is the "information" form, which I left almost entirely blank as nearly none of it applied to me. That's a one-off anyway.

Thanks KK, looks like (almost) same same as before.

 

I read over the past few months how the 'information' form was sometimes handed out to renewers or 90-day reporters and next week it wasn't. I guess when someone remembers to reprint a batch, they get handed out until they run out again!

[wpcoe]

Thanks for the information.  Seems like I should be good to go.  In the past, I used the combination (income + savings) method, but starting this year I can qualify on income alone, so I wondered if there were any extra hoops.

[chickenslegs]

 

My latest visit for 12 month extension on 17 October at Pattaya Immigration:

Form TM7

Fee - 1,900 THB

Passport and copies of photo page + visa page

Copy of Arrival Form (TM??)

Photograph

Foreign National Information Form + another photograph (I had one already printed out) See below.

Confirmation of pension income (British Embassy) meeting full requirement

Did not need letter from Thai bank nor bank statements

Did not need proof of residence (but I had my yellow book and copies with me just in case)

 

 

In bold are the items I have not seen mentioned above

 

Immigration_Foreign_National_Information Blank.pdf

[chickenslegs]

12 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I read over the past few months how the 'information' form was sometimes handed out to renewers or 90-day reporters and next week it wasn't. I guess when someone remembers to reprint a batch, they get handed out until they run out again!

 

I have been required to complete the Foreign National Information form 4 times in the past 4 months + a photo each time:

 

90 day report - mid August

12 month extension - mid October

90 day report - mid November

Re-entry permit - late November

 

After the first time I now have a copy saved on my pc

 

 

 

 

Immigration_Foreign_National_Information Blank.pdf

[NanLaew]

10 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

 

I have been required to complete the Foreign National Information form 4 times in the past 4 months + a photo each time:

 

90 day report - mid August

12 month extension - mid October

90 day report - mid November

Re-entry permit - late November

 

After the first time I now have a copy saved on my pc

 

 

 

 

Immigration_Foreign_National_Information Blank.pdf

 

Sheesh... your 90-day reporting dates must coincide EXACTLY with their form reprinting schedule. Bad luck old chap!

[NanLaew]

10 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

 

My latest visit for 12 month extension on 17 October at Pattaya Immigration:

Form TM7

Fee - 1,900 THB

Passport and copies of photo page + visa page

Copy of Arrival Form (TM??)

Photograph

Foreign National Information Form + another photograph (I had one already printed out) See below.

Confirmation of pension income (British Embassy) meeting full requirement

Did not need letter from Thai bank nor bank statements

Did not need proof of residence (but I had my yellow book and copies with me just in case)

 

 

In bold are the items I have not seen mentioned above

 

Immigration_Foreign_National_Information Blank.pdf

 

Excellent and timely update, thanks. I will bring the rental agreement and bank statements and a couple of spare photographs with me, just in case.

[craigt3365]

On 12/6/2016 at 10:51 PM, chickenslegs said:

 

My latest visit for 12 month extension on 17 October at Pattaya Immigration:

Form TM7

Fee - 1,900 THB

Passport and copies of photo page + visa page

Copy of Arrival Form (TM??)

Photograph

Foreign National Information Form + another photograph (I had one already printed out) See below.

Confirmation of pension income (British Embassy) meeting full requirement

Did not need letter from Thai bank nor bank statements

Did not need proof of residence (but I had my yellow book and copies with me just in case)

 

 

In bold are the items I have not seen mentioned above

 

Immigration_Foreign_National_Information Blank.pdf

I was there last week and a guy was extending his marriage visa.  They asked where he stayed and he said with his wife, who was right there.  They asked her if he was registered there, she said no.  There were taken over to a corner for a discussion.  Not sure what happened as we were leaving at that time.

 

One thing I've discovered is to expect the unexpected there.  Last time, the guy at the front counter told me to make 2 copies of quite a few docs.  Wouldn't give me a number until I did so.  Went up when my number was called and they gave me back 1 set of the copies. Not needed! LOL

[KittenKong]

On 06/12/2016 at 11:11 PM, chickenslegs said:

I have been required to complete the Foreign National Information form 4 times in the past 4 months + a photo each time:

 

90 day report - mid August

12 month extension - mid October

90 day report - mid November

Re-entry permit - late November

 

I did my 90-day reporting this week. Office very busy but only two people in front of me at the 90-day desk, so I was out in no time. No request made at all for me to complete the information form (which I had already done once anyway).

[Guderian]

On 08/12/2016 at 9:23 AM, craigt3365 said:

I was there last week and a guy was extending his marriage visa.  They asked where he stayed and he said with his wife, who was right there.  They asked her if he was registered there, she said no.  There were taken over to a corner for a discussion.  Not sure what happened as we were leaving at that time.

 

 

 

This got me thinking, together with the recent fuss they've been making over TM30 forms. Many people here (like myself) own their houses via the company route. Is there a requirement for the company to fill in a TM30 form saying that you, the director, are living there? I've never heard of anybody doing this, is it necessary?

[craigt3365]

7 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

This got me thinking, together with the recent fuss they've been making over TM30 forms. Many people here (like myself) own their houses via the company route. Is there a requirement for the company to fill in a TM30 form saying that you, the director, are living there? I've never heard of anybody doing this, is it necessary?

I'm kinda going through this right now.  I had to show my companies papers, house book, etc.  They even made me hand draw a map to my house.  I had a really nice one from Google maps, but no good.  So I did a quick and dirty one for them.  They laughed at it, but took it.  Insane.

 

This is for a new visa application.

[Guderian]

2 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I'm kinda going through this right now.  I had to show my companies papers, house book, etc.  They even made me hand draw a map to my house.  I had a really nice one from Google maps, but no good.  So I did a quick and dirty one for them.  They laughed at it, but took it.  Insane.

 

This is for a new visa application.

 

Weird, I need to get another annual retirement extension in the next fortnight, it's been dead easy in the past, I just hope it stays that way.

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

Weird, I need to get another annual retirement extension in the next fortnight, it's been dead easy in the past, I just hope it stays that way.

I lost my visa.  Entered on a tourist visa and converted it to an OA.  Then will extend from there.  They are more picky if you are doing it this way.  But beat having to go out of the country! 

[Langsuan Man]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

I lost my visa.  Entered on a tourist visa and converted it to an OA.  Then will extend from there.  They are more picky if you are doing it this way.  But beat having to go out of the country! 

 

Good trick of entering Thailand and then converting to an O-A, since O-A visas can only be issued in your home country

 

Look at your passport again and I guarantee you don't have an O-A Visa 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said:

 

Good trick of entering Thailand and then converting to an O-A, since O-A visas can only be issued in your home country

 

Look at your passport again and I guarantee you don't have an O-A Visa 

Yeah, of course.

He did a conversion of a tourist visa to a 90 day O visa (IN Thailand), and then applied for an annual extension based on retirement.

It's important to be precise about naming O-A visas especially now that there is going to be a new 5/10 year "Long Stay" visa (another name for O-A visas) that may possibly replace the current O-A visa.

[craigt3365]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, of course.

He did a conversion of a tourist visa to a 90 day O visa (IN Thailand), and then applied for an annual extension based on retirement.

It's important to be precise about naming O-A visas especially now that there is going to be a new 5/10 year "Long Stay" visa (another name for O-A visas) that may possibly replace the current O-A visa.

I'm not good with names, but I entered on a visa exemption.  Converted it like you said and will extend it after that.  The only hitch was needing a special stamp from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok (easy process) and a bit more scrutiny with regards to where I live.  Other than that, not a big deal.  I did have the option to fly to another country to get the O-A, but felt a quick trip to Bangkok was cheaper and easier.  The people in Jomtien were actually quite easy to work with.

[NanLaew]

19 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

This got me thinking, together with the recent fuss they've been making over TM30 forms. Many people here (like myself) own their houses via the company route. Is there a requirement for the company to fill in a TM30 form saying that you, the director, are living there? I've never heard of anybody doing this, is it necessary?

 

Although there's no requirement for TM30 filing for a Retirement Extension at Jomtien which is the specific instance that this thread addresses, there's plenty evidence from other Immigration Offices that TM30 self-filing is acceptable. Since the key words in the form heading is "HOUSE-MASTER, OWNER OR THE POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE", a renter as 'possessor' can self-file the TM30 simply from being the occupant of the property and not necessarily the owner.

[Langsuan Man]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I did have the option to fly to another country to get the O-A

 

No,  you only had the option to return to your home country to obtain an O-A Visa

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said:

 

No,  you only had the option to return to your home country to obtain an O-A Visa

OK.  Non-O. 

[Guderian]

19 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I lost my visa.  Entered on a tourist visa and converted it to an OA.  Then will extend from there.  They are more picky if you are doing it this way.  But beat having to go out of the country! 

 

Thanks for the clarification, Craig. I was going to start dusting the cobwebs off my house paperwork before my visit but hopefully the usual TOT bill in my name will suffice.

[Guderian]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Although there's no requirement for TM30 filing for a Retirement Extension at Jomtien which is the specific instance that this thread addresses, there's plenty evidence from other Immigration Offices that TM30 self-filing is acceptable. Since the key words in the form heading is "HOUSE-MASTER, OWNER OR THE POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE", a renter as 'possessor' can self-file the TM30 simply from being the occupant of the property and not necessarily the owner.

 

Thanks for that. So does anybody actually self-file a TM30 if they own a house via the company route?  I've simply been showing a recent TOT bill in my name for the last five years.

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

Thanks for that. So does anybody actually self-file a TM30 if they own a house via the company route?  I've simply been showing a recent TOT bill in my name for the last five years.

If the utility bill has worked at Jomtien for the past 5 years, no reason it shouldn't work this time around. Looking at other posts and threads, the marriage extension seems more likely to trigger a request for the TM30. Possibly due to the fact that married guys are extending with their wife in tow and the house is typically in her name?

[Jingthing]

Recent report of foreign name owned condo, several years, phone bill still accepted for retirement extensions. No pushback whatsover.