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Spain: Anti-austerity protest attracts thousands

 

 

MADRID: -- Thousands have marched through Madrid to demand an end to austerity measures in Spain.

 

The demonstration, organised by the country’s two main unions (UGT and CCOO), is the first major protest since the government was named in November, after almost a year of political uncertainty.

 

Josep Maria Alvarez, the UGT’s Secretary-General vowed to reach an accord on austerity.

“These demonstrations will continue if necessary. It only depends on the government’s ability not only to discuss, but also to negotiate and make agreements.”

 

Eva Garcia, a student protester, added:

“We are in an unsustainable situation. Many people and students can’t live like this anymore and that is why we are here protesting. We have to keep taking to the streets.”

 

Last week, the International Monetary Fund said Spain should step up economic reforms and gradually trim its public deficit.

 

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy adopted the current policies during his first term in office, between 2011 and 2015, as Spain emerged from a deep recession.

 

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-12-19

[Credo]

I am totally against austerity, but until one of those lottery tickets pays off, I am stuck with it.   

[daveAustin]

Spain was one of those dopey countries that took to the Euro hook, line and sinker, spending well over its means while not putting the hours in. Prices shot up and they got greedy in short-order, followed by an el supremo whinge about all the foreign tourists in their country... you know, the people that are actually supporting it. Sorry you're in the position you are right now, Spain, but you kind of brought it on yourselves. Time to get out of the EU and roll your sleeves up. 

[Hayduke]

The fact that there are hordes of people with nothing better to do than protest suggests ‘austerity measures’ are probably a good idea.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Hayduke

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Hayduke said:

The fact that there are hordes of people with nothing better to do than protest suggests ‘austerity measures’ are probably a good idea.

 

There are few things I can think of more worthy than demonstrating defiance against an uncaring government and showing solidarity amongst the people. We need much more of this, worldwide.

[Stargeezr]

I guess  Spain, Italy  and  France all  wished  they  were  more  like  Germany  and  so  much  less like Greece.  The  fact  is  that  too many  are  more  like Greece  and will not  admit  it.   Good  Luck   countries  of  Europe,  you  all  need  it!

Geezer

[RuamRudy]

40 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I guess  Spain, Italy  and  France all  wished  they  were  more  like  Germany  and  so  much  less

like Greece.  The  fact  is  that  too many  are  more  like Greece  and will not  admit  it.

  Good  Luck   countries  of  Europe,  you  all  need  it!

Geezer

 

Unfortunately, too many European governments and corporations want us to move towards the US situation - lack of union recognition, fire at will, 2 weeks off per year.

 

But hey, if Americans want to work like dogs with minimum recognition until they are in their 70s, just to allow their corporate bosses to add an extra layer of gold plating to the taps on their private jets, then so be it. I just hope that European workers manage to resist such timidity.

 

[bark]

5 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Spain was one of those dopey countries that took to the Euro hook, line and sinker, spending well over its means while not putting the hours in. Prices shot up and they got greedy in short-order, followed by an el supremo whinge about all the foreign tourists in their country... you know, the people that are actually supporting it. Sorry you're in the position you are right now, Spain, but you kind of brought it on yourselves. Time to get out of the EU and roll your sleeves up. 

Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, Portugal, UK, Italy, Greece. Seems like many dopey countries.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Unfortunately, too many European governments and corporations want us to move towards the US situation - lack of union recognition, fire at will, 2 weeks off per year.

 

But hey, if Americans want to work like dogs with minimum recognition until they are in their 70s, just to allow their corporate bosses to add an extra layer of gold plating to the taps on their private jets, then so be it. I just hope that European workers manage to resist such timidity.

 

 

Case of balance though. And southern European countries milked the EU gravy train and allowed themselves to think it would never end. Low productivity, early retirements, short working weeks. They went too far just as some of those pushing austerity would now like to go too far the other way.

Spain, Greece, Portugal, - they have to make some tough choices and find the right balance. Tricky because the initial medicine tastes bad and for sure, the politicians, banks and CEO's won't be drinking it.

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Spain was one of those dopey countries that took to the Euro hook, line and sinker, spending well over its means while not putting the hours in. Prices shot up and they got greedy in short-order, followed by an el supremo whinge about all the foreign tourists in their country... you know, the people that are actually supporting it. Sorry you're in the position you are right now, Spain, but you kind of brought it on yourselves. Time to get out of the EU and roll your sleeves up. 

Perhaps a lesson here for Thailand. In one sentence a student says she cannot survive any more under austerity and in the following line is this  Last week, the International Monetary Fund said Spain should step up economic reforms and gradually trim its public deficit. I am sure Lagarde the IMF head honcho will have something to add to this after her trial in France is over.  You just cannot trust politicians of any stripe any more. her alleged role in a payout to a French tycoon in 2008. If convicted of "negligence" in a public office, the charge against her, she could face up to a year in prison.Dec 18, 2015

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Last week, the International Monetary Fund said Spain should step up economic reforms and gradually trim its public deficit.

 

Edited December 19, 2016 by elgordo38

[ilostmypassword]

6 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Spain was one of those dopey countries that took to the Euro hook, line and sinker, spending well over its means while not putting the hours in. Prices shot up and they got greedy in short-order, followed by an el supremo whinge about all the foreign tourists in their country... you know, the people that are actually supporting it. Sorry you're in the position you are right now, Spain, but you kind of brought it on yourselves. Time to get out of the EU and roll your sleeves up. 

It's rare I get to see such a case of complete and utter ignorance. Truly a right wing Pavlovian response. Before the meltdown, Spain was being hailed for its low debt and fiscal prudence. In fact, Spain got into trouble not because of government spending but because of massive overbuilding and a credit meltdown. The banks were on the hook for this private debt. The Eurolords demanded that Spain socialize this debt. In other words, make private debt public. This is exactly the same thing they did to Ireland. Sp Spanish taxpayers became liable for the greed of the bankers.  

[ilostmypassword]

3 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I guess  Spain, Italy  and  France all  wished  they  were  more  like  Germany  and  so  much  less like Greece.  The  fact  is  that  too many  are  more  like Greece  and will not  admit  it.   Good  Luck   countries  of  Europe,  you  all  need  it!

Geezer

Again, try just occasionally to get acquainted with the facts. Unlike Greece and Portugal, Spain's problems came from the private sector.  But the taxpayers were forced to bail out greedy bankers.

[ilostmypassword]

45 minutes ago, bark said:

Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, Portugal, UK, Italy, Greece. Seems like many dopey countries.

I think most Americans would love to be in the same dire situatin as German or Swedish citizens.  What alternative universe do you inhabit?

[bark]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I think most Americans would love to be in the same dire situatin as German or Swedish citizens.  What alternative universe do you inhabit?

 

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I think most Americans would love to be in the same dire situatin as German or Swedish citizens.  What alternative universe do you inhabit?

The USA wants 1,000,000 possible terrorists( Germany ) ?  Swedish women being raped ?  I don't think so.

The USA is doing fine, thanks.

[bark]

14 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Again, try just occasionally to get acquainted with the facts. Unlike Greece and Portugal, Spain's problems came from the private sector.  But the taxpayers were forced to bail out greedy bankers.

Government made the mistake of joining the EU. Talk of free trade was too much for them. They didn't consider the price of open boarders for terrorists. This is the biggest cost. Rapes and terrorist murders are way up. What is this cost worth.

Need to kick out all refugees back to original countries( last five years).  Reduce costs for social programs to feed and house them all.

They do not contribute anything to their new countries. 

[bark]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Unfortunately, too many European governments and corporations want us to move towards the US situation - lack of union recognition, fire at will, 2 weeks off per year.

 

But hey, if Americans want to work like dogs with minimum recognition until they are in their 70s, just to allow their corporate bosses to add an extra layer of gold plating to the taps on their private jets, then so be it. I just hope that European workers manage to resist such timidity.

 

You cannot let workers retire at age 50 or 55 years old, if people live to be ninety ! Working 35 hour weeks !

Who will pay for all of this.

No American wants to work, more then they should. But it is a fact of life. How many of the EU countries are close to bankruptcy ? Trump will get things on track. Americans working, Fair tax system. All Americans working together. 

End racist thinking. Trump is the answer.

[ilostmypassword]

5 minutes ago, bark said:

 

The USA wants 1,000,000 possible terrorists( Germany ) ?  Swedish women being raped ?  I don't think so.

The USA is doing fine, thanks.

Here is a how many murders per 100,000 there are respectively in these 3 nations:

USA: 3.9

Germany 0.81

Sweden: .94

But I guess to your way of thinking - if we want to dignify your mental processes with that word - as long as you're not being murdered by a terrorist, it's not a quality of life issue.

 

As for rape statistics 

America 27.3

Germany 9.4

Sweden 69

And before you try to blame that on Moslems, Sweden has always had the highest numbers in Europe. That's because they have the lowest shame factor which inhibits reporting it.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, bark said:

You cannot let workers retire at age 50 or 55 years old, if people live to be ninety ! Working 35 hour weeks !

Who will pay for all of this.

No American wants to work, more then they should. But it is a fact of life. How many of the EU countries are close to bankruptcy ? Trump will get things on track. Americans working, Fair tax system. All Americans working together. 

End racist thinking. Trump is the answer.

End racist thinking? You mean like saying African Americans were too lazy to vote against Trump?

[bark]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here is a how many murders per 100,000 there are respectively in these 3 nations:

USA: 3.9

Germany 0.81

Sweden: .94

But I guess to your way of thinking - if we want to dignify your mental processes with that word - as long as you're not being murdered by a terrorist, it's not a quality of life issue.

 

As for rape statistics 

America 27.3

Germany 9.4

Sweden 69

And before you try to blame that on Moslems, Sweden has always had the highest numbers in Europe. That's because they have the lowest shame factor which inhibits reporting it.

 

 

America is not in the EU.

 

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, bark said:

You cannot let workers retire at age 50 or 55 years old, if people live to be ninety ! Working 35 hour weeks !

Who will pay for all of this.

No American wants to work, more then they should. But it is a fact of life. How many of the EU countries are close to bankruptcy ? Trump will get things on track. Americans working, Fair tax system. All Americans working together. 

End racist thinking. Trump is the answer.

 

You have missed my point. Without wishing to sound like a student union socialist, we have moved to a position where we, as workers, have highly curtailed or zero rights. We have allowed a bastardised version of capitalism to take a grip the world, where the greedy are rewarded for relatively little in the way of effort or brain power, and those who undertake the toil only face a downward spiral in terms of share of the spoils.

[RuamRudy]

20 minutes ago, bark said:

Trump will get things on track. Americans working, Fair tax system.

 

That is a joke, yes?

[bark]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

You have missed my point. Without wishing to sound like a student union socialist, we have moved to a position where we, as workers, have highly curtailed or zero rights. We have allowed a bastardised version of capitalism to take a grip the world, where the greedy are rewarded for relatively little in the way of effort or brain power, and those who undertake the toil only face a downward spiral in terms of share of the spoils.

Workers is Europe get 6 weeks paid holidays. Yes ? And retire at 55 years old ?

Who pays for this. If people are living 10-15 years longer then before.

Unions, really destroyed the American car industry. They got the companies to give up so much.

Did you know it costs $1,500 more to make a car is the USA then Japan, just for " Long term sickness leave ".

[ilostmypassword]

35 minutes ago, bark said:

Workers is Europe get 6 weeks paid holidays. Yes ? And retire at 55 years old ?

Who pays for this. If people are living 10-15 years longer then before.

Unions, really destroyed the American car industry. They got the companies to give up so much.

Did you know it costs $1,500 more to make a car is the USA then Japan, just for " Long term sickness leave ".

Are you saying that workers in Europe get 6 weeks off per year plus public holidays?

And as for retirement age, the only country in Europe that I could find that offered a retirement age that low was the Czech republic and that was a minimum of 53 years for women only.  Most countries in Europe have a retirement age from 65-67.  Women in a few countries can retire 5 years earlier

[bark]

9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Are you saying that workers in Europe get 6 weeks off per year plus public holidays?

And as for retirement age, the only country in Europe that I could find that offered a retirement age that low was the Czech republic and that was a minimum of 53 years for women only.  Most countries in Europe have a retirement age from 65-67.  Women in a few countries can retire 5 years earlier

Union/Government employees

[ilostmypassword]

26 minutes ago, bark said:

Union/Government employees

Really? You got some evidence for this? I think that, like Trump, you just make things up.

 I did read that the EU has mandated a minimum of 4 weeks paid vacation per year.  I also read that the USA offers the least guaranteed vacation days per year. In fact, other countries may tie the USA but they'll never beat it because by law there is no requirement for paid vacation leave in the USA.  

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, bark said:

Unions, really destroyed the American car industry. They got the companies to give up so much.

 

I don't dispute that at all - same in the UK; over time, the unions got too arrogant and screwed everything up for the very people they were supposed to protect. However the scales have swung much too far in the other direction, and now the disaprity between the boardroom and the shop floor is totally unjustifiable.

1 hour ago, bark said:

Did you know it costs $1,500 more to make a car is the USA then Japan, just for " Long term sickness leave ".

 

So there is a chronic problem with the US model? The answer is not fewer rights and a move towards third world worker exploitation.

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I don't dispute that at all - same in the UK; over time, the unions got too arrogant and screwed everything up for the very people they were supposed to protect. However the scales have swung much too far in the other direction, and now the disaprity between the boardroom and the shop floor is totally unjustifiable.

 

So there is a chronic problem with the US model? The answer is not fewer rights and a move towards third world worker exploitation.

Really" You think the only reason for the US decline in automobile manufacture was the unions?  American car companies produced really low quality vehicles for years and years. This gave Japan and others an opportunity to outcompete the USA on quality. I suppose bad design and engineering was the unions' fault?

[bark]

9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? You got some evidence for this? I think that, like Trump, you just make things up.

 I did read that the EU has mandated a minimum of 4 weeks paid vacation per year.  I also read that the USA offers the least guaranteed vacation days per year. In fact, other countries may tie the USA but they'll never beat it because by law there is no requirement for paid vacation leave in the USA.  

555

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really" You think the only reason for the US decline in automobile manufacture was the unions?  American car companies produced really low quality vehicles for years and years. This gave Japan and others an opportunity to outcompete the USA on quality. I suppose bad design and engineering was the unions' fault?

 

Not disputing something is not the same as agreeing with it - I am simply acknowledging that I do not know enough about the US auto industry to pass comment. I do, however, believe that the arrogance of the union leaders and their excesses in the 70s and 80s was, to a large extent, a factor in their marginalisation.

[bark]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Are you saying that workers in Europe get 6 weeks off per year plus public holidays?

And as for retirement age, the only country in Europe that I could find that offered a retirement age that low was the Czech republic and that was a minimum of 53 years for women only.  Most countries in Europe have a retirement age from 65-67.  Women in a few countries can retire 5 years earlier

People live longer then 40 years ago. Need to increase age of retirement to 70 years.

My Global research shows that this must be done soon. Or we will need to start killing off people over 90 years old.

People will sign a document to this effect, or they will not receive old age benefits.

Edited December 19, 2016 by bark
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