maewang99 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) our transition (in the USA) to a 2nd rate country.. or maybe 3rd rate.. is now complete.... we now have a national leader who is a total embarrassment.. when he says Make America Great Again you read it is "the USA is not great". and he is right, we ain't. we need a movement to stop financing the US military machine.... the Most Exorbitant Privilege needs to be revoked. revoked. it can be done. Edited January 24, 2017 by maewang99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, maewang99 said: our transition (in the USA) to a 2nd rate country.. or maybe 3rd rate.. is now complete.... we now have a national leader who is a total embarrassment.. when he says Make America Great Again you read it is "the USA is not great". and he is right, we ain't. we need a movement to stop financing the US military machine.... the Most Exorbitant Privilege needs to be revoked. revoked. it can be done. Luckily, the US is more than just it's president. The US is still a great nation. And like others, it can be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, craigt3365 said: Luckily, the US is more than just it's president. The US is still a great nation. And like others, it can be better. Quote The American presidency is a paradox. It is the most noted position in the world, imbued by observers with all the power inherent to the world’s most powerful country. Everyone is now trying to understand what Trump intends to do. At the same time, the American president is among the weakest institutional leaders in Euro-American civilization. http://www.mauldineconomics.com/this-week-in-geopolitics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Sean Spicer: It’s ‘Demoralizing’ for Donald Trump to Be Constantly Questioned " Over and over again there’s this constant attempt to undermine his credibility and the movement that he represents, and it’s frustrating for, not just him, but I think so many of us that are trying to work to get this message out…To constantly be told, no no no, and to watch him go, yes yes yes. and have people put blocks up. It is frustrating… It is a little demoralizing… " http://www.towleroad.com/2017/01/sean-spicer-demoralizing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, maewang99 said: our transition (in the USA) to a 2nd rate country.. or maybe 3rd rate.. is now complete.... we now have a national leader who is a total embarrassment.. when he says Make America Great Again you read it is "the USA is not great". and he is right, we ain't. we need a movement to stop financing the US military machine.... the Most Exorbitant Privilege needs to be revoked. revoked. it can be done. The U.S. needs a strong military and already has that. But I agree that trump's isolationist theme is a signal to the world, that the USA is backing off, doesn't intend to even try to provide any "moral" leadership to the world on things like democracy, human rights, and FREE TRADE, and thus indeed electing trump directly makes the USA a LESS great nation. To people that say well, we can reverse that later, yes, we can try, but by then let's face it, other powers will fill the vacuum in a way not so great to classic American values. Yes, I know many people demonize "globalism" but in my view that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other phenom in history. When the superpower USA favors policies that lift the masses globally out of poverty, that helps the USA too ... trading partners with the money to buy the value added USA goods and services that the USA should be focusing on ... not low value things like low skill factories that will be almost totally automated before very long. Edited January 24, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, craigt3365 said: His and his staffs list of lies are quite long! Incredible people still support this guy. Can't believe anything he says. I'm astonished that it appears no one has picked up on the excerpt & inference from his comment below... "Mr. Trump said that though he had been “hit by a couple of drops” of rain as he began his address on Inauguration Day, the sky soon cleared. “And the truth is, it stopped immediately, and then became sunny,” he said. “And I walked off, and it poured after I left. It poured.”" Edited January 24, 2017 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 This sums up Trump at the moment quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The left has made a religion of correctness (their own version) They react with religious zeal when anyone offends their sensibilities. There can only be their way - Trump represents their Satan. Prepare for religious war in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Really? Infowars is roughly the right wing counterpart of CNN? And the NY Post is closer to the center than the NY Times? Appears there has been some manipulation of the graphic and several versions are now out "there". Here is the original version. Thanks for spotting that TH Edited January 24, 2017 by thaihome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, thaihome said: Appears there has been some manipulation of the graphic and several versions are now out "there". Here is the original version. Thanks for spotting that TH probably interesting to have the same big enough to read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Opl said: probably interesting to have the same big enough to read... Click on the image and you can make as big as you need to be able to read it. Here is a link TH https://www.google.co.th/search?q=media+bias+graphic&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=ivn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=V7ickj5SSMq8sM%3A%2C9jFX6xhljMc0eM%2C_%3BNR7wVxXbOGrp-M%3A%2CUX99h9Tt46YasM%2C_%3BbFVWzKv4H2SPBM%3A%2CcN8AnQdchbLzrM%2C_%3B7mL1YfpD4WgBKM%3A%2CRrT5lUA04B8eCM%2C_%3BrL37PTamiAjoLM%3A%2CwA-ED3FjA6w3zM%2C_%3Baq581N_WrcllZM%3A%2CRrT5lUA04B8eCM%2C_%3BQQ88b9u7n8s4EM%3A%2CSm9OQ_HaBNjwLM%2C_%3ByYr4Y8aBB8XxrM%3A%2Cl46FkjwVszScPM%2C_%3BdHLsO8mgymWajM%3A%2C2AuUbI6Q_bU-QM%2C_%3BoNHgF3BGDic_pM%3A%2CQQHamnSEaq-EsM%2C_&usg=__fIfubMTiHY5qPkq7mStIRl3ntCU%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAjL_AwtrRAhXJLI8KHRhdBQcQ420IRw&biw=768&bih=1024#imgrc=VvT5tJIuqpOW_M%3A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The problem with that chart is that it is imagining that media is split between left and right equally. The truth is that there are very few sources of conservative news because the majority of media is owned by large corporations that lean left. Fox is not really a news source as much as it is pop news for right leaning non intellectuals. The truth is that the right is very under represented in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The job of news networks is to report news, the actual news, not what they want to happen. Not based on their own news. They may then add their own opinions of it on top of that. But their job is to report what actually happens, and then provide their opinions if that is the nature of their broadcast (in many cases they offer no opinions). If they don't want to stay in the news in a negative light, they need to stop giving the media negative things to run about them. No more twitter wars. No more lying about figures. Trump once again today went out again yesterday and spread the bs of voter fraud, while Spicer went out and modified what he said before to try to make it sound like he meant the attendance and the streams, but even in that case, his numbers still don't add up. Trump spoke about Iraq saying we should have taken the oil, and that maybe we'll have another chance, and Spicer dodged that question when asked what he meant. When you do these kind of things, of course the media is going to run with it, and of course they are going to paint you in a negative way. When that happens on a daily basis it will appear that the media is against you, but it is a self created problem. The problem I see here is that Trump is accusing the media of being against him. Yet the media is actual quotes from him or his people. His people can't go out and make up facts, or as they would call them "alternative truths" and then complain when they get called out for it. They can't make extreme policies and then act insulted when people react negatively to those policies. And it's not just the media they are battling. They are picking fights with foreign governments, with government institutions, and with their own citizens, yet are then quick to paint themselves as victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 38 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: The problem with that chart is that it is imagining that media is split between left and right equally. The truth is that there are very few sources of conservative news because the majority of media is owned by large corporations that lean left. Fox is not really a news source as much as it is pop news for right leaning non intellectuals. The truth is that the right is very under represented in the media. Yes. Large corporations typically support the left because they want to pay higher taxes and give workers more benefits. What planet are you reporting from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Yes. Large corporations typically support the left because they want to pay higher taxes and give workers more benefits. What planet are you reporting from? There are 1000's of major corporations that are left of center. Just about anything to do with entertainment for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: There are 1000's of major corporations that are left of center. Just about anything to do with entertainment for starters. Thousands? I think this is what's known as cherry picking. You know, we have this amazing thing called the internet. It allows you access all kinds of data in moments. That is unless you prefer to live in a bubble of your own beliefs. Here's a link https://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/26/one-chart-shows-exactly-how-much-america-s-biggest-companies-giv/21253905/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: There are 1000's of major corporations that are left of center. Just about anything to do with entertainment for starters. You mean like News Corp or Viacom? 4 years old link, but still appropriate. http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6 TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Here is a new list of billionaires who own the US media from FORBES. http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#10a7770130b4 Q. Do billionaires spend vast amounts of money to be open minded and 'help' you understand? Carlos (No Wall) Slim Helu - The New York Times The New York Times published an article last Friday criticizing the power that billionaires wield over media companies. One ultra-wealthy media investor not mentioned in the story: Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu, who owns the largest individual stake in the Times. Slim more than doubled his stake in The New York Times in June 2015 to approximately 17% of the media company. LOL Edited January 24, 2017 by rabas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, rabas said: Here is a new list of billionaires who own the US media from FORBES. http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#10a7770130b4 Q. Do billionaires spend vast amounts of money to be open minded and 'help' you understand? Carlos (No Wall) Slim Helu - The New York Times The New York Times published an article last Friday criticizing the power that billionaires wield over media companies. One ultra-wealthy media investor not mentioned in the story: Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu, who owns the largest individual stake in the Times. Slim more than doubled his stake in The New York Times in June 2015 to approximately 17% of the media company. LOL What Forbes fails to note is the number of voting shares owned by Helu who by all accounts is a very right wing guy. Entities affiliated with Slim exercised the warrants he bought in 2009 when he loaned the company $250 million during the height of the financial crisis. New York Times, controlled by the Ochs-Sulzberger family through Class B shares, paid back the loan in 2011. Slim acquired nearly 15.9 million shares of Class A common stock at $6.36 per share. He earlier held an 8 percent stake. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-times-warrants-carlos-slim-idUSKBN0KN2M820150114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/23/2017 at 3:25 AM, canuckamuck said: Seems to me that the media is fomenting the grounds for a revolution. Completely different treatment of this president than any other, totally adversarial and coordinated. Right from the moment Trump began to rise as a nominee. It seems to me that Trump is an habitual liar, and now he's president he might use that power to try and stifle the free press whose job it is to point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 57 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Thousands? I think this is what's known as cherry picking. You know, we have this amazing thing called the internet. It allows you access all kinds of data in moments. That is unless you prefer to live in a bubble of your own beliefs. Here's a link https://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/26/one-chart-shows-exactly-how-much-america-s-biggest-companies-giv/21253905/ Your graphic did nothing to prove or disprove what I said, and I don't think you understand the term cherry picking. That other graphic by @thaihome was very good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 hours ago, thaihome said: Appears there has been some manipulation of the graphic and several versions are now out "there". Here is the original version. Thanks for spotting that TH Perhaps the MODS would be so kind as to delete 'altered images' in posts 128/129/131 to avoid confusion. I like the graphic, it all kind of makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) The advantage of democracy VS dictatorship is that one can elect a dangerous person but in full consciousness, whereas under dictatorship you can always say that you did not chose. . The great winners are obviously Russia, reinforced in its authoritarian and liberticidal model and China which has nothing more to fear from this gerontocracy. All those who work with him should now prevent him from sinking into his fantasies because soon all will think alike and lead the world to a distress that would be more serious than an open war. Edited January 25, 2017 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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