New Ripper....?

[redrus]

I wasn't going to respond to it either but, Soph you put so well and, BkkM is on to something Mods.

I have a feeling this could get worse before it gets better. I don't know, I'm just getting vibes from the dibble on the telly interviews, bad ones.

I hope you're miles away with that change of profile idea Brit mate, that would not be nice....!

redrus

[chuchok]

Have you seen their photos though?

They're a right bunch of auld druggie slappers.

Far removed from some winsome mignonette gyrating in Long Gun.

You are an idiot.Engage the small thing you call a brain before posting.There's a good muppet.

[bkkmadness]

I have a feeling this could get worse before it gets better. I don't know, I'm just getting vibes from the dibble on the telly interviews, bad ones.

I hope you're miles away with that change of profile idea Brit mate, that would not be nice....!

Yep, I'm getting bad vibes too. Like Brit says he could change his MO and go underground quite easily, and he's obviously not a stupid guy. Aren't a few other unsolved murders being investigated now elsewhere in the country in connection with this?

By this rate so new murders will be committed in the next day or so, I would seriously suspect that he's already far away though.

Lets hope the girls that are still out on the streets are protecting themselves. During the Sutcliffe murders they all bandied together and made sure all punters knew that their car registration details were taken down.

Edited December 13, 2006 by bkkmadness

[Soph]

On the news earlier, they were talking about the fact that there is a relatively small community of prostitutes in Ipswich, who are all obviously taking care of who they get in a car with, leading the police guys to speculate that if this guy has further urges to kill, he could just take to the streets and pick up any female out on her own.

[Barney_the_Dinosaur]

Anymore of this tripe and you will recieve warnings and more, my scaly chum[p]

[leisurely]

Look, what you say about the Asian prositutes is true, however, by continuingto describe the British vitims as skanky shows you to be a mysogenistic twonk.

[leisurely]

sorry, mysoGYnistic

[Barney_the_Dinosaur]

Warning sent

Edited December 17, 2006 by chonabot

[Boo]

there are a lot of british people on this forum & some from this area so it is closer to home.

Why don't you ask on forums for thai, cambodian & vietnamese ex pats why they aren't raising these concerns about the prossies in their own countries being killed? Are you suggesting that just cause brit ex pats live in los that they should care less about what happens in their own country?

What a stupid & worthless contribution. What they look like & or if they are on drugs doesn't give anyone the right to kill them. They are human beings. Have a bit of compassion or keep your gob shut.

[kayo]

Its an aesthetic observation not a mysogynistic one, (and accurate I think - they look zonked)

I don't think there's any serious debate that a tart street-walking in Leeds or Norwich feeding her heroin habit is going to look pretty bombed out.

I'm not saying hookers have to be exterminated, i'm saying that murder of girls on a far bigger scale takes place closer to our current homes.

The only reason this is being discussed at all is because people feel intuitively attuned to the idea of prostitution having lived in Thailand. But in Europe its far grimier and less sanuk.

Serious lack of respect for human life I'm sensing, I hope incorrectly.

I'm responding anyway, does a "skanked-out-tart street-walking in leeds or Norwich" have any less right to live than a Yaa-baa-addicted-street-walker in Phnom Phen or Pattaya?

yes it happens on a far larger scale than just the topic being discussed in THIS thread, which is about the girls in the news in England at this moment.

You wanna discuss the countless other ones, fine. But this thread is about these ones.

[sierra01]

My elderly parents live very close to the red light district, a few years ago my then 80 y/o Dad was asked if he wanted a good time, made his day!

A few days ago the Police turned up and asked if they could lift the paving slabs in their garden, to check for whatever, very heavy 24 hour Police presence, and lots of very worried people.

From what I can figure out, the Police haven't made much progress despite enormous effort , maybe it's early days yet.

[redrus]

there are a lot of british people on this forum & some from this area so it is closer to home.

What a stupid & worthless contribution. What they look like & or if they are on drugs doesn't give anyone the right to kill them. They are human beings. Have a bit of compassion or keep your gob shut.

That's why you're a top lass and on my friends list....!

redrus

[redrus]

From what I can figure out, the Police haven't made much progress despite enormous effort , maybe it's early days yet.

That's what I think I said earlier. I got no confidence from the Police TV interviews.

Weird.

I don't think they've got a clue in clueland.....!!!!!

redrus

[muckypups]

Police now say they have 5 suspects.. one "very interesting".. news report in "The Times'

I've posted the link as there are a number of related stories...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2507692,00.html

[bkkmadness]

From what I can figure out, the Police haven't made much progress despite enormous effort , maybe it's early days yet.

That's what I think I said earlier. I got no confidence from the Police TV interviews.

At times like this what the police know and what's released to the media are very different things, because the killer will be using information from the media to keep from get caught as well.

[taxexile]

This Sordid Society

By David Harrison, Sunday Telegraph

Last Updated: 1:28am GMT 17/12/2006

The killings in Ipswich have shone a dismal light on the extent of prostitution in Britain today. The figures are horrifying: more than 100,000 girls working in brothels, massage parlours and on the streets, while the number of men using their services, particularly in younger age groups, has doubled. As David Harrison reports, the stark truth behind the sex trade is abuse, violence, exploitation and addiction

The Evening Star in Ipswich summed it up succinctly: "Things like this are not supposed to happen in our part of the world." Serial killers are meant to strike in big, edgy cities, not in an unassuming agricultural town whose last claim to national fame was the fleeting success of the local football team 25 years ago.

The murders of the five prostitutes have shone a disturbing light on Britain's dark underbelly, a seedy world of desperate, drug-addicted women who sell their bodies for their, or their pimps', next fix of heroin or crack cocaine. And they have highlighted an explosion in the availability of – and demand for – "sexual services" in 21st-century Britain.

If it goes on in Ipswich, with a population of 140,000, number 38 on the list of Britain's biggest urban centres, then, you might think, it must be happening everywhere. You would be right. There are an estimated 30,000 street prostitutes in Britain, and police and drugs charities say they can be found in every city and town. "Where there are hard drugs, there are pimps and street prostitutes, and there are hard drugs all over the country," says a senior Scotland Yard officer.

Ninety-five per cent of street girls are addicted to drugs or alcohol or both, according to the Home Office. Most have been violently or sexually abused as children and groomed for prostitution by boyfriends, members of their own families or predatory pimps they meet when they run away from their miserable homes.

The drugs come early too: most are offered heroin by their abusers (many of whom are also addicts) in their early teens. Once hooked, the girls have a choice: steal, deal, or go on to the streets to make money to feed their habit and pay their pimps. For some, the forced prostitution comes first but the drugs always follow. "On the game, they call it," said one outreach worker. "But this is certainly no game."

The girls are usually "launched" as streetwalkers at about the age of 14, though some are as young as 12, says Wendy Shepherd who runs a Barnardo's project in Middlesbrough. Some will already have been abused by family members and "hired out" to paedophile friends from the age of eight.

Street prostitution is highly dangerous. The girls have to make instant judgments about complete strangers before deciding whether to get into their cars. The craving for drugs drives them to take enormous risks. About 90 prostitutes are known to have been murdered in England and Wales in the past decade but the real figure is almost certainly much higher. Street girls are easy prey for violent psychopaths because anonymity is part of the commercial pact and the girls' disconnected lives mean they can go missing for days, even weeks, before anybody notices.

Murder is a risk prostitutes face, but violent assault is almost a guaranteed part of their lives. More than half of all UK prostitutes have been raped or seriously sexually assaulted, and three-quarters have been physically attacked, according to government research. The figures for streetwalkers are even higher. "Nearly every woman I have dealt with has suffered some form of abuse from punters," says Ms Shepherd. "I've dealt with girls who have been punched, kicked, raped, kidnapped and dumped on the motorway. It's a grim, seedy life." A study by The British Journal of Psychiatry found that nearly seven out of 10 prostitutes met the criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder, the same as victims of torture and war veterans undergoing treatment.

The street girls are the most desperate and vulnerable "workers" in Britain's expanding sex industry. In 2004 the number of prostitutes in the UK was officially estimated at 80,000 but the real figure has increased significantly since then and is now believed to be over 100,000. The rise has been fuelled by an influx of thousands of women from eastern Europe, most of them trafficked into this country and forced into sexual slavery. Brothels, thinly disguised as "massage parlours" and "saunas", have sprouted up in even the smallest market towns, while a bewildering array of sexual services, as prostitution is euphemistically known, is offered on the internet.

Demand, almost entirely from men, has risen sharply too. There are male prostitutes and "escorts" who cater for female clients, but the overwhelming majority of punters are male. A typical male user of street girls is white, often middle class, in his 30s or 40s, frequently married with children, and in search of anonymous and untraceable encounters, according to a study by researchers at Sunderland university. The punters come from all walks of life. "You get factory workers and labourers but also doctors, judges, policemen — and they can all be violent," says Ms Shepherd.

Edited December 17, 2006 by taxexile

[chonabot]

Suffolk murders: man arrested

link

Hopefully they have caught the right person.

[kayo]

i hope it is too.

I wonder when they'll clarify why they suspect him?

[chonabot]

i hope it is too.

I wonder when they'll clarify why they suspect him?

This guy, Tom Stephens, actually gave a big interview to the Sunday Mirror yesterday. So if it is him he must have wanted to be caught...

[britmaveric]

Bit too easy, have my doubts.

[Boo]

was this the guy who said he knew all the girls as well as other prostitues in the area & tries to help them out?

[kayo]

yes it was, boo.

did an interview for the Beeb last week "for background reports"

Edited December 18, 2006 by kayo

[Boo]

if this is the killer then his own vanity gave him away

[meemiathai]

Poor girls. Very saddening.

Hope they got the right man.

[libya 115]

Suffolk murders: man arrested

link

Hopefully they have caught the right person.

I think that this guy they have arrested is just a sad loner, after all he has been under suspicion since the first girl went missing, he was interviewed a month ago and his house has already been searched.

Using mobile phone records, they could eliminate him from their enquiry. Indeed if he is guilty then the police are very much to blame for not arresting him sooner.

There is a lot of pressure on the police, and this local well known nutcase, might have some information that can help. So for that reason I think they have brought him in.

Sun readers are ready to lynch this guy, he might well be 100% innocent.

[redrus]

Man kept for extra 12 hours

20 December 2006 | 11:03

SUFFOLK police have today been given another 12 hours to question Steve Wright, the second man arrested for the murder of five women.

The extension follows a superintendent's review.

The 48-year-old man is in custody at a police station in Suffolk.

Police have also continued to carry out searches at a house in London Road, Ipswich and at the home of Tom Stephens in Jubilee Close, Trimley.

Scaffolding has been erected around the house in London Road, and a team of seven white-suited forensic officers were seen entering the property at Trimley early this morning.

Mr Stephens was arrested by detectives on Monday and can be held for a further 36-hours following an application to magistrates last night.

redrus

[redrus]

On the 2nd man arrested.

Landlord tells of shock over arrest

20 December 2006 | 09:05

TRUCK driver Steve Wright was described by friends as a quiet and well-presented man who was “extremely shy”.

The 48-year-old is thought to have grown up in Felixstowe. He met his partner, Pamela Wright, in the seaside town and the couple are believed to have married around five or six years ago.

The couple lived in a one bedroom flat in Bell Close, Ipswich, until a couple of months ago when they moved to a Victorian bedsit in the town's London Road.

Mr Wright worked as a truck driver at Felixstowe docks but was not employed by the port, it emerged.

The couple were regulars at Uncle Tom's Cabin in Vernon Street, Ipswich, when they lived at Bell Close.

Police have visited the pub within the last three days to collect CCTV footage captured on the premise's private security cameras.

Edward Roberts and Sheila Davis, the pub's landlords, spoke of their shock yesterday at Mr Wright's arrest.

Two years ago the couple went on a four-day holiday with Mr Wright and his wife to Belfast in Northern Ireland.

Mr Roberts said: “I've had a quick word with his wife and she is in total devastation. She didn't say any more than that just that she knows it wasn't him.

“She said she knows he wouldn't hurt anybody and that this wasn't in his nature. I can quite believe that it's not in his nature.

“I've spent time with him and been on holiday with him and I'll be just as surprised as she will be.”

Miss Davis added: “They've been coming in for two-and-a-half to three years.

“They came in mostly at weekends. We have been on holiday with him. He is very quiet. He got on quite well with my mother in Ireland.”

Mr Roberts, 38, said Mr Wright owns a blue Mondeo car, loves golf and is a member of a local golf club, where he has played several tournaments.

“He is very quiet, always clean and tidy and very presentable,” he added.

“He's a Carlsberg drinker. He was a regular but not since they moved. His wife still comes in. He used to go to the betting shop. He always played on the machines.”

Another bar worker described him as “extremely shy”.

Mr Wright is believed to have a grown-up daughter from another relationship while Mrs Wright has a son who works as a chef and lives in France.

Miss Davis said she had never seen Tom Stephens, the first man arrested in connection with the inquiry.

Of Mr Wright's arrest, she added: “We were quite surprised. Shocked.”

Mr Wright's family still live in the Felixstowe area.

A relative said: “We just don't know anything at the moment. Can we leave it at that?”

Masters student Ian Everett moved into the flat Mr Wright formerly shared with his wife in Bell Close last month.

He said: “I'd heard he was a lorry driver. I moved in on November 25. The place was completely empty, not a trace of them.”

Another resident, who did not want to be named, said: “He was alright. He used to say hello.

“He's very tall. He's a biggish chap with fair hair. Nice chap, they're both nice people.”

redrus

[Boo]

The lastest reports are the police have been given an extra 24hrs on top of the extension of 36hrs to carry on interviewing the new & original suspects.

Wouldn't they need to be able to prove to a judge that they had a lot of evidence to allow this many extensions, as it is a breach of civil liberties otherwise?

So looks good that one or both of these is the bad guy!

[Rinrada]

This whole thing is now completely Media driven and the local gutter press are having a field day.

Even the police have realised that and have clammed up now and are not given as much info on what they are up to as before......I and Dont blame them....

They have thousands of outside plods on the job,a couple of guys in for "questioning" and their biggest nightmare is probably maybe having to let them GO.......grimm....

[britmaveric]

Let's hope its one of these lads because by now if it wasnt the real sicko would have slithered back into his hole by now.