craigt3365 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 12 hours ago, fasteddie said: You do have a point, it is about Syria where the Russians were invited by the legitimate government, as opposed to "the coalition" which is an illegal invading force. There's a lot of debate about the government being legitimate. It wasn't legitimately elected and it's not in control of a good part of the country. And, along with their invited Russian partners in crime, have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians with indiscriminate barrel bombing. And displaced millions. Something "the coalition" has not done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Fair point. The Western coalition, AFAICS, were bogged down because of Obama's insistence Assad had to go and had somewhat lost the plot, possible from loosing track who was financing who, overtly and covertly. Regardless of reasons the Russian intervention has brought the parties to the table. I don't think the desire to have Assad leave was the main stumbling block, but it is definitely an issue. It's not an easy situation with a variety of factions inside the country. Turkey, Lebanon, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc, etc, etc. Hard to just jump in without dire consequences. Something Russia didn't care about, so just jumped in and started bombing...and profiting off it. Luckily, that's something Obama and the coalition did not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Again fair point. Obama kept insisting the legitimate President of Syria had to go. Just has he helped force the legitimate President of Ukraine out. If a government, elected democratically or not, doesn't suit the US they have been shown to work to distabilize that government, to support oppositions they do like, and if necessary to directly support insurgency. It's easy to always think our side is right and therefore the others must be wrong - but sorry no longer black and white like that. You'll need to provide a credible link about Obama helping the legitimate president of Ukraine out.....I do believe there were a few Ukrainians involved....LOL Politifact's ruling is: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/ Quote Our ruling Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine. That’s a distorted understanding of remarks given by a State Department official. She was referring to money spent on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since it broke off from the Soviet Union in 1991. We rate the claim Pants on Fire. But nice try. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, manarak said: lol, no. The US have no interest in supporting Assad. Let me spell it out for you ... I S I S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, onthesoi said: Let me spell it out for you ... I S I S No wonder Obama called them ISIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 23 hours ago, craigt3365 said: Easy to research this. It's well documented. Perhaps you could provide a link, I cannot find any evidence to support your claim that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 24 minutes ago, johna said: Perhaps you could provide a link, I cannot find any evidence to support your claim that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. You are obviously not looking very hard. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbothaivisa Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 5 hours ago, craigt3365 said: Hard to just jump in without dire consequences. Something Russia didn't care about, so just jumped in and started bombing...and profiting off it. Luckily, that's something Obama and the coalition did not do. You should really do some research: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/05/john-kerry-us-syria-intervention-plan-britain-obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, timbothaivisa said: You should really do some research: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/05/john-kerry-us-syria-intervention-plan-britain-obama So those who blame Obama for being weak with regards to Syria should actually blame the UK? But what's this go to do with bombing innocent civilians with barrel bombs? The coalition doesn't use those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlest Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 19 hours ago, Srikcir said: Yep, Britain is no longer an empire to be feared. too many bullies in the playground now... time for change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 7 hours ago, craigt3365 said: You are obviously not looking very hard. LOL I cant find anything at all, a single link, to support your claim that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, johna said: I cant find anything at all, a single link, to support your claim that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-war-russian-air-raids-kill-9400-year-160930082703222.html Quote Five years on, more than 400,000 Syrians are estimated to have been killed, and almost 11 million Syrians - half the country's prewar population - have been forced to flee their homes. Hard to differentiate between Syrian forces and Russia, but they are working together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 46 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-war-russian-air-raids-kill-9400-year-160930082703222.html Hard to differentiate between Syrian forces and Russia, but they are working together. The " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is a one man operation operating from Coventry UK, and Al Jazeera is a news organisation based in Qatar, a country which along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey arm and finance the Wahhabi terrorist organisations daesh/isis which is spreading terror and hate throughout the middle east. Here is a link to an article in the Guardian on " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking? | Charlie Skelton ... And a link to an article in newsweek about who funds ISIS, Qatar being implicated. How Does ISIS Fund Its Reign of Terror? - Newsweek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, fasteddie said: The " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is a one man operation operating from Coventry UK, and Al Jazeera is a news organisation based in Qatar, a country which along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey arm and finance the Wahhabi terrorist organisations daesh/isis which is spreading terror and hate throughout the middle east. Here is a link to an article in the Guardian on " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking? | Charlie Skelton ... And a link to an article in newsweek about who funds ISIS, Qatar being implicated. How Does ISIS Fund Its Reign of Terror? - Newsweek Also would you deny this from an American congresswoman? CNN Exclusive: Rep. Gabbard on meeting with Assad - CNN Video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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simple1 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 8 hours ago, fasteddie said: The " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is a one man operation operating from Coventry UK, and Al Jazeera is a news organisation based in Qatar, a country which along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey arm and finance the Wahhabi terrorist organisations daesh/isis which is spreading terror and hate throughout the middle east. Here is a link to an article in the Guardian on " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking? | Charlie Skelton ... And a link to an article in newsweek about who funds ISIS, Qatar being implicated. How Does ISIS Fund Its Reign of Terror? - Newsweek Also would you deny this from an American congresswoman? CNN Exclusive: Rep. Gabbard on meeting with Assad - CNN Video The Congresswomen should be ashamed of herself for in effect supporting Assad's propaganda, plus she isn't squeaky clean with her political associations regards Syria. Various people have questioned the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights over the years. I do believe very few refer to his network of roughly 200 people within Syria providing him with reports, with a number being killed for their efforts. Personally I am unsure whether any of his reports picked up by Western media are proven to be nonfactual, though there may be some given the nature of the conflict within Syria. Al Jazeera (English) has won a number of awards for it's reporting professionalism. Considering ISIS is the sworn enemy of the Arab dictatorships it is likely they were being paid off, though ISIS has at least launched attacks in KSA, with hundreds of ISIS sympathisers being arrested. Just speculation, but probable currently funds are drying up for ISIS from citizens of the region. BTW do not forget the Assad regime actions prior to and during the Arab Spring within Syria supported Islamic extremism / terrorism (with the resultant massive blowback), as well as providing money to ISIS to buy their oil etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 10 hours ago, fasteddie said: The " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is a one man operation operating from Coventry UK, and Al Jazeera is a news organisation based in Qatar, a country which along with Saudi Arabia and Turkey arm and finance the Wahhabi terrorist organisations daesh/isis which is spreading terror and hate throughout the middle east. Here is a link to an article in the Guardian on " Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking? | Charlie Skelton ... And a link to an article in newsweek about who funds ISIS, Qatar being implicated. How Does ISIS Fund Its Reign of Terror? - Newsweek The Syrian Observatory is not just a one man organization. It is sad though that the Russians and Syrian government won't allow independent reporters in to see what's going on. We all know why, but it would be nice. Assad had one killed a few years ago for reporting on the bombings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Observatory_for_Human_Rights Quote In a December 2011 interview with Reuters, Abdulrahman said the observatory has a network of more than 200 people and that six of his sources had been killed.[3] In 2012, Süddeutsche Zeitung described the organization as a one-man-operation with a single permanent worker, Rami Abdulrahman.[5] In April 2013, the New York Times described him as being on the phone all day every day with contacts in Syria, relying on four men inside the country who collate information from more than 230 activists while cross-checking all information with sources himself.[4] Not long ago Assad was buying fuel from ISIS, and working with them before the Arab Spring to stir things up. It's a mess and one that won't easily be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 14 hours ago, craigt3365 said: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-war-russian-air-raids-kill-9400-year-160930082703222.html Hard to differentiate between Syrian forces and Russia, but they are working together. 14 hours ago, craigt3365 said: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-war-russian-air-raids-kill-9400-year-160930082703222.html Hard to differentiate between Syrian forces and Russia, but they are working together. Al Jazeera quotes the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which accuses Russia of killing 3800 civilians by September 2016. None of the link's you supplied support your accusation that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 5 hours ago, johna said: Al Jazeera quotes the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which accuses Russia of killing 3800 civilians by September 2016. None of the link's you supplied support your accusation that Russia has killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War Quote Estimates of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, per opposition activist groups, vary between 312,001[1] and 470,000.[2] On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war.[3] Since independent reporting is not allowed, it's hard to say if these death were caused by Syrian or Russian forces. http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-isis-civilian-deaths-united-nations-syria-2016-8 Quote Report: In less than a year, Russia has killed more civilians than ISIS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War Quote In 2016, the United Nations (UN) identified 13.5 million Syrians requiring humanitarian assistance, of which more than 6 million are internally displaced within Syria, and over 4.8 million are refugees outside of Syria.[30] In January 2017, UNHCR counted 4,863,684 registered refugees.[1]Turkey is the largest host country of registered refugees with over 2.7 million Syrian refugees.[3][31][32] Saudi Arabia claims to have received nearly 2.5 million Syrian citizens as of 2016,[33] but without registering them as refugees. Assistance to internally displaced persons (IDPs) within Syria, and Syrian refugees in neighbouring countries, is planning largely through the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 10:23 PM, fasteddie said: Ha Ha, "ship of shamed the west" more like. Took 9 months to rout ISIS while America and her poodles spent 4 yrs doing nothing. ISIL has not been "routed". The philosophy of ISIL remains, infecting the same people so eager to undertake its violence and to commit crimes on its behalf. The group will go to ground and lie in wait for its next opportunity to cause pain. Its backers in Qatar, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Kuwait, and within the muslim communities in the west will keep it alive and will lavish money upon it. Meanwhile other terror organizations better equipped and funded like Hizbollah will take its place. The smirk on your face will disappear soon enough as Chechnya and the Russian muslim republics are not at peace and will once again rise up. Putin aint seen nothing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, simple1 said: Congrats, you've identified a number of apologists / propagandists for the extremely cruel and vicious Assad dictatorship. I assume you're a consumer of alt right news with the associated farcical opinions / beliefs. So a congresswoman and a senator, both veterans, are apologists/propagandists for an "extremely cruel and vicious Assad dictatorship"? Not to mention Dr Ron Paul, a man who should have been president, a man of great honour, that's a pretty disgusting accusation. As for alt right news, whatever that might be, never heard of it, but thanks for the tip, I'll look in to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, fasteddie said: So a congresswoman and a senator, both veterans, are apologists/propagandists for an "extremely cruel and vicious Assad dictatorship"? Not to mention Dr Ron Paul, a man who should have been president, a man of great honour, that's a pretty disgusting accusation. As for alt right news, whatever that might be, never heard of it, but thanks for the tip, I'll look in to it. Whatever. Do you really believe the Assad regime would permit them undeterred access to obtain facts on the ground. The guy talking about the recapture of Palmyra failed to mention the terrorist group, Hezbollah, helping Syrian forces and of course the eventual recapture by ISIS. let alone the dismal failure of Syrian forces to empty the military warehouses (second largest in Syria) when originally captured by ISIS. Frankly speaking he comes across as another wholly misinformed US politician regards Assad. At least one of the politicians you mention underlines conspiracy theories, another wishing to ban female access to abortions etc etc We have differing opinions, to me the people your refer to, with at least some of their views, are 'disgusting'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Whatever. Do you really believe the Assad regime would permit them undeterred access to obtain facts on the ground. The guy talking about the recapture of Palmyra failed to mention the terrorist group, Hezbollah, helping Syrian forces and of course the eventual recapture by ISIS. let alone the dismal failure of Syrian forces to empty the military warehouses (second largest in Syria) when originally captured by ISIS. Frankly speaking he comes across as another wholly misinformed US politician regards Assad. At least one of the politicians you mention underlines conspiracy theories, another wishing to ban female access to abortions etc etc We have differing opinions, to me the people your refer to, with at least some of their views, are 'disgusting'.One man's conspiracy theorist is another man's free mind willing to do their own research and not just slavishly follow the party line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 8 hours ago, fasteddie said: One man's conspiracy theorist is another man's free mind willing to do their own research and not just slavishly follow the party line. Then please share with us what your research has shown. Credible links only. No conspiracy theories. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 From the Def Sec yesterday: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/coping-with-russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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