Mansell Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, impulse said: Up until recently, an overstay like that was cleared up by showing up at the airport with an outbound ticket and 20,000 baht. They could be back in Thailand in time for breakfast the next day. Not hard to imagine someone living for years (decades?) under that scenario finding themselves in a financial pickle where they couldn't fix it in time to meet the deadline. I don't know how recent you are talking about.....but my friend showed up at the airport with a four day overstay in November. They dropped the fine to 15,000 baht, but still got a year ban. Now happily living in Ecuador.....he speaks Spanish......with a new girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caca4u Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Can you tell us how much you paid for the blacklist removal service? I know people who have done it but it costed them 200k in bribes because there is no other formal way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visarunner Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mansell said: I don't know how recent you are talking about.....but my friend showed up at the airport with a four day overstay in November. They dropped the fine to 15,000 baht, but still got a year ban. Now happily living in Ecuador.....he speaks Spanish......with a new girlfriend. something wrong. A four day overstay is THB2,000.-. And no ban, for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mansell said: I don't know how recent you are talking about.....but my friend showed up at the airport with a four day overstay in November. They dropped the fine to 15,000 baht, but still got a year ban. Now happily living in Ecuador.....he speaks Spanish......with a new girlfriend. When I got here around 6 years ago, people could stay for decades on occasional border runs to refresh their visa-free status. Many people didn't even bother with border runs because they could clear up an overstay with a maximum of 20,000 baht- and back to back to back visas runs cost more than that. I don't recall the exact date the rules changed because they don't affect me on a WP. It's actually been more of a gradual tightening. But for people who lived here for decades, I'm sure it feels recent. Edit: BTW, on the plus side, we have fewer complaints on TVF about the cost of getting a new passport when the old one fills up with border stamps... Edited January 28, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visarunner Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, somo said: No problem with getting a new passport and all above board. The passport office will know you have legally changed your name but so what, no deception is required. With a new name comes a new life and she can start over again. As testified here I and one other poster know this to be a valid and legal way around the OP's problem. Having said that there would be no harm in trying to get the decision reversed through normal channels but that may take years and be expensive with no guarantee of getting a result. IF UK Citizen Thai Immigration, within short time has knowledge about you name change. Go the legal way, husband can file a petition, no need a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Thai immigration are not stupid, you can change you name but never your date of birth. Again it would be an illegal action to try and get round a lawful ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 try a different airline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, localczar said: try a different airline... what would be the point? she is blacklisted to enter. Edited January 28, 2017 by thai3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecha Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 hi There just some thaught here . very good u do so much for people in remote areas but as Always the law is the law very frustrating and a very bad situation for you being blacklisted only means for fly to thailand not sure where your remote station is but maybe fly to another country and cross by road border maybe get a new paassport first ,\ just thinking how to help Amy way good luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, thai3 said: what would be the point? she is blacklisted to enter. how does the airline know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, localczar said: how does the airline know this? answer: "they don't" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, localczar said: how does the airline know this? It's irrelevant what the airline know, it's what immigration know at the other end that matters. People who have been banned after serving prison sentences for drugs have got visas and boarded flights in the past, only to be sent back when they landed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, thai3 said: It's irrelevant what the airline know, it's what immigration know at the other end that matters. People who have been banned after serving prison sentences for drugs have got visas and boarded flights in the past, only to be sent back when they landed. thats right, immigration would not be a problem in the absense of blacklisting. Try a different airline...thats obviously the problem due to misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 But she is blacklisted, there is no absence of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 42 minutes ago, visarunner said: something wrong. A four day overstay is THB2,000.-. And no ban, for sure. If it's the same poster as I remember his friend was actually actually on a 94 day overstay If not there is something wrong, no one gets banned and fined 15k for a 4 day overstay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, thai3 said: But she is blacklisted, there is no absence of it how does a "blacklist-ee" get a dang visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan5 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 6 hours ago, catman20 said: do you condone overstay ? God! What a busy body. I certainly don't see how it hurts anyone unless the person gets caught and black listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mvdf Posted January 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, localczar said: how does the airline know this? When checking in, the passport's MRZ is scanned and transmitted to the APIS system (Advance Passenger Information System) which is integrated in the airline's departure control system. The software performs an APIS query on the transmitted PNR (passenger name record) in real time and a boarding directive is returned, confirming whether to board the passenger or not. Thailand subscribes to APIS. http://www.flightcentre.co.uk/before-you-fly/travel-advice/apis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localczar Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, localczar said: how does a "blacklist-ee" get a dang visa? answer: they don't...even by thai immigration ( whom you euphamistically refer to as being "not stupid", I would hope....unless they are "tupid" perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Several posts have been removed for various reasons. Mostly for bickering and personal attacks of members. Time to end it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Lord Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I am awfully sorry to hear about your situation. What kinda interests me is what the law firm commented on your situation? It seems like they gave you green light for entering the country. Their webpage also seems to be shut down...are they reachable for you at the moment? It seems like they left you hanging since you opened the topic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somo Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, somo said: No problem with getting a new passport and all above board. The passport office will know you have legally changed your name but so what, no deception is required. With a new name comes a new life and she can start over again. As testified here I and one other poster know this to be a valid and legal way around the OP's problem. Having said that there would be no harm in trying to get the decision reversed through normal channels but that may take years and be expensive with no guarantee of getting a result. IF UK Citizen Thai Immigration, within short time has knowledge about you name change. Go the legal way, husband can file a petition, no need a lawyer. --------------- No they will not. There are no records kept of UK citizens changing their name so no one would ever know unless you told them yourself. It is a purely personal choice to do so. The deed poll just enables you to change the name on your bank accounts, credit cards, passport etc. It is no different to a woman changing her name when she gets married but she just uses a marriage certificate instead of the deed poll when applying for a new passport. All perfectly legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul18620 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 hours ago, ubonjoe said: No I do not but I do understand that people sometimes get in a situation where it was out of their control. This is a forum to to help people not to be abuse them because of your own personal opinions and biases. well said Joe ,its just a pity other people do NOT have any sympathy for the OP as you have already said she is asking for ADVICE and not criticism from the keyboard warriors that are on here 24/7 ,,,,,,,all I have to say to you people is get a life!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgent Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 hours ago, hobobo said: Well said ubonjoe! It appears that these days the majority of responses are abusive and insulting. Where have understanding, compassion and help gone? tell that to immigration 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amjamj Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Poor little cat, you are devastated... and what about people to whom shiiit happens without doing anything wrong ? Stop being ridiculous ! "more of a warning to others not to overstay " : thank you, but some of us have a brain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amjamj Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 10 hours ago, bubba said: Well, so much for http://www.thailandblacklistcheck.com The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable. It's down now, not sure if the owner is scared to attract media or if too many of us visited it and broke the server ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxout Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If you look at the detailed fees on your air ticket, you'll see you pay about US$1 for the advance notification of your arrival to the Thai authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovethailandelite Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 3 hours ago, localczar said: how does a "blacklist-ee" get a dang visa? I asked same question in post 12. The answer provided in post 14 seems they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanebigsby Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 9 hours ago, humqdpf said: You don't have to condone overstay to feel sorry for the predicament that this person is in. And we have to remember that there are two persons who did nothing wrong here but who are deeply affected, named they child and the father. It does seem more than harsh that a family should suffer so badly because one broke some administrative rules. Blacklisting in other countries is usually reserved for criminals of the highest order. Not really. Google "immigration tears apart family" and a gadzillion hits pop up all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 hummm... i have spent most of the last 18 years outside my home country and never once in all that time have i had a visa issue. it's not difficult. to be honest i think most people are aware of the penalties for overstaying, the immigration department publicises them widely. in the end of the day it's, as the thais say, 'up to you' whether you want to follow the rules or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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