ballpoint Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Shawn0000 said: How was he expecting to get away with having 12 otters, five owls and three hawks in his bag? What a completely crazy idea. Especially so far away from christmas. His true love is going to be rather disappointed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Slotman said: So I take it you buy the ivory with all paperwork in order & it's all legally registered by law, to prove that it all came from domesticated Asian elephants? Because, if not, what you're doing is illegal. It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) The man was apprehended after airport officials found live animals in his two luggage -- 12 otters, five owls and three hawks. And a partridge in a pear tree. Edited February 28, 2017 by tukkytuktuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, gdgbb said: It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader. Are a registered/ licensed trader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said: Are a registered/ licensed trader? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, fruitman said: Well if only one survives he still makes profit back in Japan..... Guess he didn't know that they have scanners for ALL LUGGAGE these days at Swampy. don't think you need a scanner to sniff out a bag of otters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Is that an Otter in your trousers ,or are you just pleased to see me, says female customs officer to the japanese guy. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, gdgbb said: What? Are YOU a registered/licensed trader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, whaleboneman said: don't think you need a scanner to sniff out a bag of otters Well everytime i go into a Thai airport the suitcase gets scanned first before i can go to check in.... Would be quite something if they didn't see all those live animals on the scanner there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Shawn0000 said: How was he expecting to get away with having 12 otters, five owls and three hawks in his bag? What a completely crazy idea. Ah, but they missed the 7 swans, 6 geese, 4 calling birds, 2 turtle doves and a partridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 And the sellers, what happened to them? Don't need to ask, we know the answer. Still selling illegal wildlife gleefully to dozens of other Japanese tourists just 3km from the ASEAN Wildlife Enforcement Network Headquarters and 2km from the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plants. Criminals in good business with wildlife business in the centre of Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, whaleboneman said: Are YOU a registered/licensed trader? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakeopete Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 It is not difficult smuggling animals out of Thailand you just need to pay the right people. The only people that get caught are the ones who think they don't need an agent. Most of the animals sold at JJ are not illegal many being born in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 And presumably at Chatuchak, things are continuing as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 A family a while ago tried to smuggle a skunk out of Thailand. The son asked his dad where they could hide it. The father said we'll stuff it down your mum's knickers, the son said dad, what about the smell? Father replied, if it dies, it dies.Sent from my SM-G920F using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalard Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, wirat69 said: Read again... arrested Monday night... no one at JJ market on Monday day or night!!! Read the OP. He bought them on Sunday..!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalard Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 hours ago, PatOngo said: Helloooo! The buyer was arrested Monday night.....NO MENTION of the seller being arrested. The Jap bought them on Sunday... The seller doesn't work Mondays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Chalard said: The Jap bought them on Sunday... The seller doesn't work Mondays... I stand corrected, my face is lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFarAndNear Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 16 hours ago, fruitman said: I have been there many times but never saw otters, hawks or owls for sale. Plenty of other birds, snakes, dogs, fish, lizzards. Guess they keep them elsewhere untill asked for. Very sad, i love to see them in the wild, not in a cage. Saw all of it. Was all open and public. Hawks, Owls even Monkeys. Have not seen any Otters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenoilif Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 13 hours ago, gdgbb said: It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader. Actually, it can still be illegal if the ivory is not from a legal source. Not to mention the price and location being JJ makes it very suspect. Some of the shops selling exotic animals supposedly have licenses to do but they also deal in illegal animals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasset Tak Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Shawn0000 said: I don't follow, why should I look at foreigners in prison when asking you why you want ivory? Was it a hint as to just how stuck you have been for ideas? Ivory is still legal in Thailand while drugs aren't, and there are more than one foreigner stuck in Thai prison for selling drugs 17 hours ago, Slotman said: So I take it you buy the ivory with all paperwork in order & it's all legally registered by law, to prove that it all came from domesticated Asian elephants? Because, if not, what you're doing is illegal. LP Derm, Dead 1951 Amulets like these are traded daily without any documentation as they are way older than the laws that regulate ivory and there is no problem as long as you don't try to take them out of Thailand without proper documentation because if you do then you are breaking 2 laws: export of ivory and export of fine arts. If you on the other hand want to buy something that are produced sins even the old Thai laws and regulations about ivory came in place then you just don't need documentation as it's already illegal for us as foreigners to buy and own them! The export of amulets is also some what regulated as some of them fall under the regulation of the Fine Arts Department and need documents approving that they are exported/taken out of Thailand, to get those documents is an even harder task than to get the proper paperwork for ivory! Edited March 1, 2017 by Kasset Tak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn0000 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said: Ivory is still legal in Thailand while drugs aren't, and there are more than one foreigner stuck in Thai prison for selling drugs LP Derm, Dead 1951 Amulets like these are traded daily without any documentation as they are way older than the laws that regulate ivory and there is no problem as long as you don't try to take them out of Thailand without proper documentation because if you do then you are breaking 2 laws: export of ivory and export of fine arts. If you on the other hand want to buy something that are produced sins even the old Thai laws and regulations about ivory came in place then you just don't need documentation as it's already illegal for us as foreigners to buy and own them! The export of amulets is also some what regulated as some of them fall under the regulation of the Fine Arts Department and need documents approving that they are exported/taken out of Thailand, to get those documents is an even harder task than to get the proper paperwork for ivory! Oh, I was under the impression that all products made from ivory can only be traded with documentation and that older pieces would need to have documents made that proved their age, so basically what you are saying is that it is would be legal to sell any ivory in Thailand just as long as you thought it was old, and considering Thailand's flourishing market in fake antiques, I can only assume that some of the "old" amulets being sold are not old at all, but made from the large amounts of illegally poached African ivory that is known to come to Thailand, and simply made to look old. A piece such as you have posted above would be very easy to fake, even for a relative amateur. It is certainly not a business I would want anything to do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 19 hours ago, whaleboneman said: Are YOU a registered/licensed trader? No. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Total BS. when we moved over here, about ten years ago, we bought our cat with us and....,a file full of paperwork showing vaccinations, vet assessments... etc etc etc, and it was in a pet carrier thats how you move animals via air.... not in a firkin case, hidden ( which is what a guilty mind does) out of sight. this is smuggling... pure and simple.... and I would be pretty sure the airline, if not the government ( at both ends or in between), do not allow live animals in bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 29 minutes ago, gdgbb said: No. Are you? No I'm not. But then I'm not illegally selling as you say you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, whaleboneman said: No I'm not. But then I'm not illegally selling as you say you are. Care to point out where I said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, gdgbb said: Care to point out where I said that? My apologies. I had a senior moment. Mixed you up with another poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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