4 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 How was he expecting to get away with having 12 otters, five owls and three hawks in his bag?  What a completely crazy idea.

Especially so far away from christmas.  His true love is going to be rather disappointed now.

2 hours ago, Slotman said:

So I take it you buy the ivory with all paperwork in order & it's all legally registered by law, to prove that it all came from domesticated Asian elephants? Because, if not, what you're doing is illegal.

It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader.

The man was apprehended after airport officials found live animals in his two luggage -- 12 otters, five owls and three hawks.

 

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Edited February 28, 20179 yr by tukkytuktuk

14 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader.

 

Are a registered/ licensed trader?

8 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Are a registered/ licensed trader?

What?

5 hours ago, fruitman said:

Well if only one survives he still makes profit back in Japan.....

 

Guess he didn't know that they have scanners for ALL LUGGAGE these days at Swampy.

don't think you need a scanner to sniff out a bag of otters

Is that an Otter in your trousers ,or are you just pleased to see me,

says female customs officer to the japanese guy.

regards worgeordie

9 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

What?

Are YOU a registered/licensed trader?

2 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

don't think you need a scanner to sniff out a bag of otters

 

Well everytime i go into a Thai airport the suitcase gets scanned first before i can go to check in....

 

Would be quite something if they didn't see all those live animals on the scanner there.

5 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 How was he expecting to get away with having 12 otters, five owls and three hawks in his bag?  What a completely crazy idea.

Ah, but they missed the  7 swans, 6 geese, 4 calling birds,  2 turtle doves and a partridge.

 

And the sellers, what happened to them?  Don't need to ask, we know the answer.  Still selling illegal wildlife gleefully to dozens of other Japanese tourists just 3km from the ASEAN Wildlife Enforcement Network Headquarters and 2km from the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plants.  Criminals in good business with wildlife business in the centre of Bangkok.

18 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

Are YOU a registered/licensed trader?

Thanks

It is not difficult smuggling animals out of Thailand you just need to pay the right people. The only people that get caught are the ones who think they don't need an agent. Most of the animals sold at JJ are not illegal many being born in Thailand. 

 

And presumably at Chatuchak, things are continuing as normal.

A family a while ago tried to smuggle a skunk out of Thailand. The son asked his dad where they could hide it. The father said we'll stuff it down your mum's knickers, the son said dad, what about the smell? Father replied, if it dies, it dies.

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5 hours ago, wirat69 said:

Read again... arrested Monday night... no one at JJ market on Monday day or night!!!

Read the OP.   He bought them on Sunday..!!!

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Helloooo!  The buyer was arrested Monday night.....NO MENTION of the seller being arrested.

The Jap bought them on Sunday...  The seller doesn't work Mondays...  

7 hours ago, Chalard said:

The Jap bought them on Sunday...  The seller doesn't work Mondays...  

I stand corrected, my face is lost!

16 hours ago, fruitman said:

I have been there many times but never saw otters, hawks  or owls for sale. Plenty of other birds, snakes, dogs, fish, lizzards.

 

Guess they keep them elsewhere untill asked for. Very sad, i love to see them in the wild, not in a cage.

 

Saw all of it. Was all open and public. Hawks, Owls even Monkeys. Have not seen any Otters.

13 hours ago, gdgbb said:

It's not illegal if the purchase is made from a licenced/registered trader.

Actually, it can still be illegal if the ivory is not from a legal source. Not to mention the price and location being JJ makes it very suspect. 

 

Some of the shops selling exotic animals supposedly have licenses to do but they also deal in illegal animals as well. 

18 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

I don't follow, why should I look at foreigners in prison when asking you why you want ivory?  Was it a hint as to just how stuck you have been for ideas?

Ivory is still legal in Thailand while drugs aren't, and there are more than one foreigner stuck in Thai prison for selling drugs

17 hours ago, Slotman said:

So I take it you buy the ivory with all paperwork in order & it's all legally registered by law, to prove that it all came from domesticated Asian elephants? Because, if not, what you're doing is illegal.

LP Derm, Dead 1951

Amulets like these are traded daily without any documentation as they are way older than the laws that regulate ivory and there is no problem as long as you don't try to take them out of Thailand without proper documentation because if you do then you are breaking 2 laws: export of ivory and export of fine arts.

If you on the other hand want to buy something that are produced sins even the old Thai laws and regulations about ivory came in place then you just don't need documentation as it's already illegal for us as foreigners to buy and own them!

The export of amulets is also some what regulated as some of them fall under the regulation of the  Fine Arts Department and need documents approving that they are exported/taken out of Thailand, to get those documents is an even harder task than to get the proper paperwork for ivory!

 

Edited March 1, 20179 yr by Kasset Tak

21 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said:

Ivory is still legal in Thailand while drugs aren't, and there are more than one foreigner stuck in Thai prison for selling drugs

LP Derm, Dead 1951

Amulets like these are traded daily without any documentation as they are way older than the laws that regulate ivory and there is no problem as long as you don't try to take them out of Thailand without proper documentation because if you do then you are breaking 2 laws: export of ivory and export of fine arts.

If you on the other hand want to buy something that are produced sins even the old Thai laws and regulations about ivory came in place then you just don't need documentation as it's already illegal for us as foreigners to buy and own them!

The export of amulets is also some what regulated as some of them fall under the regulation of the  Fine Arts Department and need documents approving that they are exported/taken out of Thailand, to get those documents is an even harder task than to get the proper paperwork for ivory!

 

 

Oh, I was under the impression that all products made from ivory can only be traded with documentation and that older pieces would need to have documents made that proved their age, so basically what you are saying is that it is would be legal to sell any ivory in Thailand just as long as you thought it was old, and considering Thailand's flourishing market in fake antiques, I can only assume that some of the "old" amulets being sold are not old at all, but made from the large amounts of illegally poached African ivory that is known to come to Thailand, and simply made to look old.  A piece such as you have posted above would be very easy to fake, even for a relative amateur.  It is certainly not a business I would want anything to do with.

19 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

Are YOU a registered/licensed trader?

No.  Are you?

Total BS.

 

when we moved over here, about ten years ago, we bought our cat with us

 

and....,a file full of paperwork showing vaccinations, vet assessments... etc etc etc, and it was in a pet carrier

 

thats how you move animals via air.... not in a firkin case, hidden ( which is what a guilty mind does) out of sight.

 

this is smuggling... pure and simple.... and I would be pretty sure the airline, if not the government ( at both ends or in between), do not allow live animals in bags.

29 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

No.  Are you?

No I'm not. But then I'm not illegally selling as you say you are.

1 minute ago, whaleboneman said:

No I'm not. But then I'm not illegally selling as you say you are.

Care to point out where I said that?

4 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

Care to point out where I said that?

My apologies. I had a senior moment. Mixed you up with another poster.