harris campaign, clean up on aisle Electoral College

[realenglish1]

6 hours ago, pegman said:

Auto insurance. Should be compulsory or not in your so called capitalist country?

Dork we are talking about Health Insurance not auto insurance Read the post 

[ilostmypassword]

9 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Americans have chosen time and again to not allow government to treat them unfairly. 

 

From the time they booted out the British to dumping Obamacare, they have always chosen freedom over control. 

 

Has as worked out pretty well up to now. 

"In talking about his plans to replace ObamaCare in a pre-election interview with 60 Minutes, Trump said, “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/15/fox-news-poll-34-voters-favor-gop-health-care-plan.html

[funandsuninbangkok]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

My country stuck with the Brits and today has universal health care for its people as a right. It was the super rich domestic terrorists (Washington) that started the tax avoidance nonsense against the crown that cost common folk like my family, after 150 years of residency, to lose their property. Today it is a billionaire cabinet that is  deciding for huge tax reductions for themselves over affordable health insurance for 24m . Boggles the mind! 

You are blind. You gave given up the right to chose your own doctor and treatment. Silly. Would you give up right to chose your lawyer or investment advisor?

 

maybe you would. Weak

[Neurath]

On 15/03/2017 at 3:22 PM, Credo said:

There are no perfect health care systems.   Health care is a process, new diseases emerge, and some are a major risk to everyone.    Demographics change and so they will always be in need of tweeking and changing.   Throwing out the ACA is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   

Precisely. Not only that, Health Care must and always will be rationed. Everyone cannot have everything. The key decision and social compact that a country must come to is how health care is rationed. The Republican (Ryan) proposal is that it be rationed by wealth. That is, those without wealth don't get it and those with wealth get it all - they get the best health care on the planet. When those without wealth don't get health care we can call it freedom and "Choice".

 

The great fear of Universal Health systems comes from the notion that the wealthy will have the same access to health care as the poor. There is nowhere that this is the case, but even suggesting that we move closer to such a system upsets those who like to think that the possession of wealth is a sure indicator of moral virtue.

 

[Neurath]

2 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

You are blind. You gave given up the right to chose your own doctor and treatment. Silly. Would you give up right to chose your lawyer or investment advisor?

 

maybe you would. Weak

Yeah, I gave up my right to chose my own private jet too.

 

There is no possibility of choosing between doctors, surgeons, lawyers or investment advisors if you cannot afford any of them in the first place. And that's really the point isn't it? Don't worry though, even if there were a universal tax surcharge to fund a universal health care insurance system, you could always use your lawyer and investment advisor to find a way not to pay it.

 

[ilostmypassword]

2 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

You are blind. You gave given up the right to chose your own doctor and treatment. Silly. Would you give up right to chose your lawyer or investment advisor?

 

maybe you would. Weak

You seem to believe that it's a necessary feature of employer provided medical plans that employees are free to choose their own doctor. and you seem also to believe that it's a feature of ACA plans that there is no option to choose your own doctor. You're wrong on both counts.

Edited March 16, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[selftaopath]

On 3/15/2017 at 11:22 AM, Credo said:

There are no perfect health care systems.   Health care is a process, new diseases emerge, and some are a major risk to everyone.    Demographics change and so they will always be in need of tweeking and changing.   Throwing out the ACA is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   

If it wasn't called "Obama Care" the reds/aka Republicans wouldn't care as much a/b throwing it out. And if Obama wasn't black or a Democrat they might not mind at all.  But as usual the Republicans are showing their real colors and love for the rich/powerful/and corporations. Now they even seem to think fondly of Putin.

[Jingthing]

Some very powerful points made here:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/03/13/unspeakable-realities-block-universal-health-coverage-in-the-us/

 

 

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Unspeakable Realities Block Universal Health Coverage In The US

When it seems like people are voting against their interests, I have probably failed to understand their interests. We cannot begin to understand Election 2016 until we acknowledge the power and reach of socialism for white people.

Americans with good jobs live in a socialist welfare state more generous, cushioned and expensive to the public than any in Europe. Like a European system, we pool our resources to share the burden of catastrophic expenses, but unlike European models, our approach doesn’t cover everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2017 by Jingthing

[Neurath]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some very powerful points made here:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/03/13/unspeakable-realities-block-universal-health-coverage-in-the-us/

 

 

 

 

Yep, and very much spot on too.