18 of Thailand's state hospitals officially declared 'broke'

[FangFerang]

17 hours ago, fruitman said:

Good that they bought the new tanks today for 2 billion.....

Thanks for the ironic observation, and it's quite a good one too.

[JAG]

47 minutes ago, hobz said:

The people who they govern, who they claim to be serving!

The people they serve (those that they consider "Their people", are a very small fraction of the people they govern.

 

That's why they will continue to spend tens of billions of Baht on weapon systems to "awe" their neighbours, whilst they completely and cynically under-fund their public health system. The people they serve will of course have excellent private health care.

 

45 minutes ago, hobz said:

Yeah, people will get more and more angry, it starts with the poor people who will not be able to afford health care and housing etc. And then the anger spreads,, and then those 10 tanks suddenly will have a good use... I hope it doesn't go to that.. but...

Mind you, excellent private health care will be of little use if your second post should come to pass.

 

Like you I hope it doesn't happen, but sooner or later...

[Thaidream]

Collapse is nowhere imminent- the Government is all ready with huge excise tax increases for many products including alcohol as well as a Vat increase to 8%. Prices will rise for the average consumer and for the poor the rise will bring more suffering. The current Administration needs to take a good hard look at its purchases and find ways to divert money from defense to healthcare and other essential services.

[SOUTHERNSTAR]

18 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

 

Looks like YL will have to pay for the losses from her failed rice pledging scheme.

 

I wonder who they will pursue for the losses from the 30 Baht health plan.

The losses do not come from the B30 scheme the problem is civil servants that get free medical and bad management. I pay SS and are worse off than lazy civil servants. The figure is approximately as follows. The lazy civil servants get B 15 000 per year per member, B30 scheme is about B 5000 per person and SS is about B 3000 per member. So the only people that are paying substantial amounts towards medical care gets the worst state contribution. Let the lazy civil servants pay 50% medical aid contribution and give that towards the B 30 scheme. If the B 30 scheme was the problem all hospitals would have had financial difficulty. If you look at the list of hospitals you will see that they are in areas where civil servants are concentrated. 

[fish monger]

8 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Considering the long queues and the long waiting time  I doubt that they "see the Doc for the smallest of things"

Excuse me, but do you actually live here...Are you kidding...?????

[mettech]

It will be more difficult for private hospitals to carry on like before because a lot of foreigners are looking at what the economy bring to the pension and if they can not afford any more money for treatments they will go back to their country of origin and be covered for medical which become number one priority when you getting close to the number 70 and over.

 

[uchibenkei]

Hospitals might need help with collections because somebody ain't paying their bills.  The solution; declare hospitals as national parks and charge foreigners 10 times what a thai would pay.

[Chris Lawrence]

7 hours ago, darksidedog said:

This country needs decent healthcare, way, way more than it needs tanks or subs.

One day I hope the PM will realise there is a lot more pride as a nation to be gained from a good health service, above the totally unneeded military hardware.

It won't be him to realise the obvious.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

I fully expect a property tax soon.....at least for foreigners.

 

 

[sambum]

28 minutes ago, uchibenkei said:

Hospitals might need help with collections because somebody ain't paying their bills.  The solution; declare hospitals as national parks and charge foreigners 10 times what a thai would pay.

Regarding the last part of your comment they probably do already!

[JOC]

Let's get this straight...

Out of 1002 public hospitals 18 are not managing to keep within their budget...

Of a total budget of 560.000.000.000 for public hospitals, those 18 hospitals total debt is 2.800.000.000 or around 2% of the total budget.

The headline should be: "984 public hospitals managing to run within their budgets"

99.5% of Thai's have access to affordable healthcare within the governments/private health schemes....

 

The above numbers would make any western country proud....!!

 

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed. 

[fruitman]

I was in one of those bankrupt hospitals today and everything is broken/leaking/crappy/moulded and the rooms are overfull with patients.

 

No aircon, birds sitting on the balconies behind the open windows/doors...

 

But good that they get new tanks and especially 3 new submarines...

 

 

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, fruitman said:

I was in one of those bankrupt hospitals today and everything is broken/leaking/crappy/moulded and the rooms are overfull with patients.

 

No aircon, birds sitting on the balconies behind the open windows/doors...

 

But good that they get new tanks and especially 3 new submarines...

 

 

Yeah well, crappy facilities are in the USA also.  If you have/can afford a decent medical policy here, you don't have to visit those places.  I have a great policy with Bupa and get great care in nice facilities like Bumrumgrad.  Sorry to hear your experience was crap in a crappy place.

[fruitman]

1 minute ago, bkk6060 said:

Yeah well, crappy facilities are in the USA also.  If you have/can afford a decent medical policy here, you don't have to visit those places.  I have a great policy with Bupa and get great care in nice facilities like Bumrumgrad.  Sorry to hear your experience was crap in a crappy place.

I come from the 1st world and we only have very decent hospitals. We also have submarines.

 

But a familymember from 300km away was in that hospital and 10 others came 300km to visit him. Why those people have to travel that far? Are there no hospitals in the province? They always come to BKK for that.

 

Many even brought their own fan while every bed had a ceilingfan. ??

 

 

 

[kannot]

Sinking  faster than a  "submarine", seems  like its  all be de  railed, "hi speed  de  railed" id  say, what they really need is some decent "coaching" from the Chinese to sort  this out but I expect theyre  all "out at sea" so dunno what to do

Edited April 6, 2017 by kannot

[kannot]

On 4/5/2017 at 7:59 AM, JAG said:

Hospitals in deficit to 2,833,000,000 Baht.

 

10 New tanks will cost 2,000,000,000 Baht

 

The submarines, well the initial cost for the first one is quoted as 13,047,102,000.00 Baht (QUWA Defense Analysis Group).

Makes you proud to be Thai doesnt it..................Ostrich and sand id say

[maewang99]

there's a problem with linking tanks and submarines to this...
 

tanks and submarines are not about to continuously escalate in the numbers of them that will be required down the road.... we can assume this quite easily.... they are for providing some optionality in certain military scenarios.... not for fighting a WW3 land war....

so....

the contrast is that health care financing.. on the other hand.... will be continuously escalating in costs.... because of demographics...

that's a very different thing in scale and needs to be fully appreciated by all of us... it explains many things as we move along...

 

and 2017 is just on the cusp of that.... and it's not just Thailand eh?

 

Edited April 6, 2017 by maewang99

[mogo51]

On 05/04/2017 at 8:19 AM, the guest said:

 

Oh yeah, blame it on the foreigners why not !

I was not blaming farangs, merely pointing out what is part of good governance and sensible public fund management. Money raised from levy goes to hospitals.

Get it now, dehh???1

[sambum]

On 4/6/2017 at 8:32 PM, maewang99 said:

there's a problem with linking tanks and submarines to this...
 

tanks and submarines are not about to continuously escalate in the numbers of them that will be required down the road.... we can assume this quite easily.... they are for providing some optionality in certain military scenarios.... not for fighting a WW3 land war....

so....

the contrast is that health care financing.. on the other hand.... will be continuously escalating in costs.... because of demographics...

that's a very different thing in scale and needs to be fully appreciated by all of us... it explains many things as we move along...

 

and 2017 is just on the cusp of that.... and it's not just Thailand eh?

 

"they are for providing some optionality in certain military scenarios"

Pardon? Not just trying to show the rest of the world that Thailand is a World power, then? "Look at us - we've got the same kind of toys as the big boys now!"