2 hours ago, Usernames said:

7 hours ago, smotherb said:

No smoke?  Flynn was fired for his lying about his Russian connection; Sessions recused himself from the investigation because of his Russian Connections, Kushner has been defended by the WH because of his back channel attempts using Russian intelligence communication; the numerous ties with the Russians by Trump's people is well documented, were they overt or covert? Comey claims "there was no fuzz" on the evidence confirming Russian hacking of our 2016  elections; that will certainly be resolved with Muellers' investigation. If Hillary would have won, would anyone want an investigation of her contacts with the Russians?  There is smoke, dagnabbit!

It is not illegal for Americans to talk with Russians.

True but it IS illegal to discuss removing sanctions as Flynn  did.  #1 question in all this is, who instructed Flynn to do so?
 

Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia

The plan involved lifting sanctions on Russia in return for Moscow withdrawing its support for pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine. It would also allow Russia to maintain control over Crimea, which it annexed in 2014.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-delivered-michael-flynn-plan-to-lift-sanctions-on-russia-2017-2

 

The White House reportedly continued its push to lift Russia sanctions even after Flynn resigned

A senior White House official asked the State Department in March to assess if sanctions on Russia were harming US interests and whether lifting them would increase Russia's oil production and therefore help the American economy
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sanctions-trump-flynn-2017-6

35 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

Good picture of the Donald. It looks like he lost some weight.

5 minutes ago, sujoop said:

True but it IS illegal to discuss removing sanctions as Flynn  did.  #1 question in all this is, who instructed Flynn to do so?

All the trumpies who are crying foul because there's no cause for an investigation need to answer this question.

1 minute ago, Rob13 said:

9 minutes ago, sujoop said:

True but it IS illegal to discuss removing sanctions as Flynn  did.  #1 question in all this is, who instructed Flynn to do so?

All the trumpies who are crying foul because there's no cause for an investigation need to answer this question.

Might add, it is crystal clear why Trump (who regularly and casually throws his subordinates under the bus) would go to such great lengths asking  Comey to 'let Flynn go...' Trump knows if Flynn turns on HIM, he's done... (maybe why Sessions is still 'barely' hanging in as well). Either way, this current house of cards has an expiry date with destiny assured.

49 minutes ago, binjalin said:

Why can't the media, after being shown they got it wrong with the 'Russia Connection', just stop quoting supposed 'anonymous' sources which so often turn out to be false news. The media is full of 'someone close to the matter' and it's just BS.

But the media did not get it wrong. They said there was an investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians, which seems very, very likely at this point in time. Only Trump claimed he was being investigated.

 

So all in all the media got it spot on. The deflections by the Trump team seem to be working to a certain extend for the Trump supporters, but only to a certain extend and only for that specific group. All in all he has lost a big part of his support, and is losing more by the day.

55 minutes ago, sujoop said:

3 hours ago, Usernames said:

It is not illegal for Americans to talk with Russians.

True but it IS illegal to discuss removing sanctions as Flynn  did.  #1 question in all this is, who instructed Flynn to do so?
 

Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia

The plan involved lifting sanctions on Russia in return for Moscow withdrawing its support for pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine. It would also allow Russia to maintain control over Crimea, which it annexed in 2014.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-delivered-michael-flynn-plan-to-lift-sanctions-on-russia-2017-2

 

The White House reportedly continued its push to lift Russia sanctions even after Flynn resigned

A senior White House official asked the State Department in March to assess if sanctions on Russia were harming US interests and whether lifting them would increase Russia's oil production and therefore help the American economy
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sanctions-trump-flynn-2017-6

 

35 minutes ago, sujoop said:

47 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

55 minutes ago, sujoop said:

True but it IS illegal to discuss removing sanctions as Flynn  did.  #1 question in all this is, who instructed Flynn to do so?

All the trumpies who are crying foul because there's no cause for an investigation need to answer this question.

Might add, it is crystal clear why Trump (who regularly and casually throws his subordinates under the bus) would go to such great lengths asking  Comey to 'let Flynn go...' Trump knows if Flynn turns on HIM, he's done... (maybe why Sessions is still 'barely' hanging in as well). Either way, this current house of cards has an expiry date with destiny assured.

This just in:

 

Jeff Sessions had third undisclosed meeting with Russian officials, Comey reportedly says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jeff-sessions-russia-meetings-secret-james-comey-senate-testimony-closed-a7782206.html
 

James Comey just hinted Jeff Sessions had more contact with Russia than we know

Sessions has been the most unexpected member of the Trump administration to get caught up in the Russia scandal — unlike Trump or many of the president’s other advisers, he’s a career politician. He’s already on the outs with the president for things that aren’t related to Russia.

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/8/15762382/sessions-russia-comey
 

Oh dear, it appears Elmer Fudd is in a similar pickle... Trump better hope Flynn and now Sessions both keep quiet... (meanwhile, the field of who would want to work for this bus driver/President becomes ever narrower...)

Edited June 10, 20179 yr by sujoop

Comey thinks Lynch trying to minimize criminal investigation of Hillary is okay, but President Trump upset at bogus investigation is unforgivable. 

Comey thinks Lynch trying to minimize criminal investigation of Hillary is okay, but President Trump upset at bogus investigation is unforgivable. 

The Topic is Trump, not Hillary

5 minutes ago, stander said:

Comey thinks Lynch trying to minimize criminal investigation of Hillary is okay, but President Trump upset at bogus investigation is unforgivable. 

 

HRC's criminal acts are a different matter than trumps.  Try to keep up.

2 minutes ago, stander said:

Comey thinks Lynch trying to minimize criminal investigation of Hillary is okay, but President Trump upset at bogus investigation is unforgivable. 

What bogus investigation?

Oh stupid me for asking!

You are one o these people from the parallel universe! Please tell me, how is the weather up there on Trump planet?

Respectfully, may I make a suggestion: don't allow the deflectors to hijack the topic. I believe the best strategy against deflections is to completely ignore the attempts.

17 minutes ago, sujoop said:

James Comey just hinted Jeff Sessions had more contact with Russia than we know

 

 

Why be coy? Is Comey making an accusation or working an angle?

1 hour ago, Usernames said:

Utter silliness.  So, every time I am introduced to a Russian, I must ask if they are member of the Russian "Secret Service," before I can talk with them.  The absolute hysteria about anything to do with Russia being grounds for treason makes McCarthyism look like a mild walk in the park on a sunny afternoon. 

Ignoring facts is utter silliness, these civilians talked to Russian secret service to setup a secret communication channel from inside the Russian embassy.

2 hours ago, MaxYakov said:

That depends on how attractive she or he is. An 8 or greater is not illegal. Besides one has to show an intent to break the law, using the Comey standard. Intent of what w/r an attractive Russian SS agent, I'm not sure.

Intent to brake the law, here you go: these civilians talked to Russian secret service to setup a secret communication channel from inside the Russian embassy.

1 hour ago, Si Thea01 said:

I would also add their lack of skills combined with their total dislike which clouds their minds, if you can find one, who has one.

He owns their minds. They do nothing except talk about him. They would do better to get organized for the next election. Just being anti Trump isn't going to get them elected.

The

15 hours ago, rijb said:

You're frightened of white Americans?  They won't hurt you, as long as you don't play any rap music.

They certainly have a reputation for shooting first, asking questions later - esp the police.

Edited June 10, 20179 yr by nemrut

28 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Intent to brake the law, here you go: these civilians talked to Russian secret service to setup a secret communication channel from inside the Russian embassy.

Nothing illegal about that. Nixon had a secret back channel set up by Kissinger to talk to the Nth Vietnamese, a country the US was at war with.

It would only be illegal if what was being discussed was treasonous, and no proof of that with the current situation.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing illegal about that. Nixon had a secret back channel set up by Kissinger to talk to the Nth Vietnamese, a country the US was at war with

Was he bypassing US intelligence agencies and using NV communication equipment. Might see a difference there if you follow it through.

Nothing illegal about that. Nixon had a secret back channel set up by Kissinger to talk to the Nth Vietnamese, a country the US was at war with.
It would only be illegal if what was being discussed was treasonous, and no proof of that with the current situation.

Comparing Bloody Mary recipes is okay. Conspiring to break the law is a crime.

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

The Topic is Trump, not Hillary

 

Yeah but Comey brought her into it in his testimony or weren't you watching or maybe it's being selective again?

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing illegal about that. Nixon had a secret back channel set up by Kissinger to talk to the Nth Vietnamese, a country the US was at war with.

It would only be illegal if what was being discussed was treasonous, and no proof of that with the current situation.

What part of CIVILIANS didn't you understand?

Yeah but Comey brought her into it in his testimony or weren't you watching or maybe it's being selective again?

Plenty of Hillary topics, this one is not. This topic happens to be about Trump.

4 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

Yeah but Comey brought her into it in his testimony or weren't you watching or maybe it's being selective again?

 

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

What part of CIVILIANS didn't you understand?

Civilians are allowed to talk to the Russians. They do it all the time.

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

 

 

Plenty of Hillary topics, this one is not. This topic happens to be about Trump.

 

I wasn't aware that "Comey's testimony" excluded Comey's testimony about other people.

I wasn't aware that..."

Indeed

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Comparing Bloody Mary recipes is okay. Conspiring to break the law is a crime.
 

 

And who conspired.  Nothing has come to light in this vain, just hopeful wishing on your behalf me thinks.

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

 

Plenty of Hillary topics, this one is not. This topic happens to be about Trump.

 

Given that many of your posts are off topic, that's rich .

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Civilians are allowed to talk to the Russians. They do it all the time.

Are you Trolling or not capable of reading: these civilians talked to Russian secret service to setup a secret communication channel from inside the Russian embassy.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware that "Comey's testimony" excluded Comey's testimony about other people.

It does when certain people want it to but they cannot escape the fact that it occurred and forms part of what we are discussing.  It appears that they forget that it is about Comey's testimony damaging Trump, who is still standing?  You know how selective some are.

And who conspired.  Nothing has come to light in this vain, just hopeful wishing on your behalf me thinks.

Comey did not deny there was collusion, he nearly stated he could not answer in an open hearing.

He has a responsibility to protect both the investigations and the President.