Does a cancelled WP cancel your visa?

[BemL]

Hi all, 

 

I have an awful boss (surprise!) and I think it is highly likely they will cancel my work permit without letting me know.  I have a non b visa (with multiple entry).  If they do cancelled my WP without informing me,  will this mean that my visa is also cancelled?  My contract hasn't been terminated and it is due to end in September. Can they still cancel the WP even though my contract is not finished and I have not been terminated. 

 

I'm just about to leave the country.  Is it worth me coming back in on a tourist visa just in case the WP gets cancelled? 

 

Thanks in advance

[overherebc]

If you do or need to do 90 day reports you have an extension not a visa and that will finish with your WP.

If you have a multi entry B that you got from outside Thailand and requires you to leave and return every 90 days then your visa remains valid.

Delete your own details and post a photo of what's in your passport then you will get a 100% answer.

[elviajero]

Your non-immigrant 'B' visa will not be cancelled, and you can use it to enter the country until on or before the 'enter before' date that's printed in the visa.

[perthperson]

Just now, elviajero said:

Your non-immigrant 'B' visa will not be cancelled, and you can use it to enter the country until on or before the 'enter before' date that's printed in the visa.

That assumes the OP actually has a valid visa. Many refer to an extension of stay as a "visa" 

[1SteveC]

17 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Your non-immigrant 'B' visa will not be cancelled, and you can use it to enter the country until on or before the 'enter before' date that's printed in the visa.

 

Note the OP says a Non-B WITH multiple entry - this normally indicates an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

Note the OP says a Non-B WITH multiple entry - this normally indicates an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

Without seeing what's in the OP's passport ( with details deleted, name PP number etc ) it's guesswork at best.

[Ron Mael]

The visa ends on the same day that the work permit is cancelled. I know this for a fact because I went through this procedure six weeks ago. If you do not apply for a seven-day extension the day your work permit is cancelled (the maximum allowed, and a ridiculously short period giving that you need to pay 1,900 Baht for it), then you are technically on overstay.

 

As for reentering the country as a tourist, particularly if relying on a visa-exemption rather than a visa, I'd be extremely wary of this. In the past, there would have been no problem but the Immigration system is now hostile to foreigners. Again, I know this from personal experience. After trying to enter Thailand FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 13 YEARS AS A TOURIST, I was stopped at Don Muang airport and grilled for 20 minutes by immigration officials. I had to beg them to let me into the country to get my money, possessions and to sort out my social security. I was told off for coming to Thailand "too many times", by which they mean working as a lecturer in engineering at an international university. Finally, I was let in for 28 days, but was told that a warning had been placed on my passport and that I should not come back to Thailand for a long time.

 

I had an unblemished record, worked legitimately, had no overstays and had never broken any laws. I think I made a positive contribution to Thailand, but was treated like this. I left on excellent terms with my former university. I think a lot of people do not realize how strict and unreasonable the immigration officials have now become.

 

Ironically, I now have a small pension from the Thai state because of my social security contributions, but will find it difficult to access the money.

 

I am now back in the UK, and totally mystified by the behaviour of the Thai immigration officials. In fact, they scare the hell out of me.

 

 

[Jujijuji]

An extension of stay based on work will be cancelled on the day your employment ends. A visa remains perfectly valid.

 

Huge difference between the 2 above things, so a clarification from the OP's side on what he actually has in his passport will give the right answers...

 

@Ron Mael that information is wrong. Visa remains valid, but you have been on an extension on stay based on your employment which ended when you weren't employed anymore.

[Ron Mael]

19 minutes ago, Jujijuji said:

An extension of stay based on work will be cancelled on the day your employment ends. A visa remains perfectly valid.

 

Huge difference between the 2 above things, so a clarification from the OP's side on what he actually has in his passport will give the right answers...

 

@Ron Mael that information is wrong. Visa remains valid, but you have been on an extension on stay based on your employment which ended when you weren't employed anymore.

 

You're making a pedantic distinction between the original visa and its subsequent extensions. In everyday terms, most people refer to the extension as the visa though technically you are correct. But unless you can either convert it to an extension based on another job or a retirement visa on the day your work permit ends, then your visa ends. Extension of stay based on being a tourist will only give you a maximum of seven days. In short, you cannot continue to stay on the original visa, which is what the OP meant.

 

In practical terms, the information I gave is not incorrect once the difference between the original visa and its subsequent extensions is made. Moreover, I have a former work colleague who went to immigration just one day after his work permit had been cancelled. He was fined 500 Baht and an overstay stamp was put in his passport. Any claims that you can continue to stay on the original visa are incorrect.

[perthperson]

52 minutes ago, Ron Mael said:

The visa ends on the same day

Visas are not cancelled and are valid until they expire. 

[perthperson]

11 minutes ago, Ron Mael said:

In everyday terms, most people refer to the extension as the visa

Which leads directly to much confusion, "misunderstanding"  and aids the transmission of rumour and false information.  

[elviajero]

22 hours ago, 1SteveC said:

 

Note the OP says a Non-B WITH multiple entry - this normally indicates an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

No it doesn't. Many people work using ME Non B visas.

[perthperson]

Just now, elviajero said:

No it doesn't. Many people work using ME Non B visas.

And most people who have such a visa refer to it as a ME Non B visa! 

[phuketrichard]

22 hours ago, 1SteveC said:

 

Note the OP says a Non-B WITH multiple entry - this normally indicates an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

WRONG

a multiple NON B 1 year visa (issued OUTSIDE the country) indicates he must leave every 90 days

[elviajero]

22 hours ago, perthperson said:

That assumes the OP actually has a valid visa. Many refer to an extension of stay as a "visa" 

Yes they do, but I am advising based on the OP's question about a non B visa. No need to assume anything. 

 

@overherebc covered the advice on an extension of stay in post 2.

[phuketrichard]

20 minutes ago, Ron Mael said:

 

You're making a pedantic distinction between the original visa and its subsequent extensions. In everyday terms, most people refer to the extension as the visa though technically you are correct. But unless you can either convert it to an extension based on another job or a retirement visa on the day your work permit ends, then your visa ends. Extension of stay based on being a tourist will only give you a maximum of seven days. In short, you cannot continue to stay on the original visa, which is what the OP meant.

 

In practical terms, the information I gave is not incorrect once the difference between the original visa and its subsequent extensions is made. Moreover, I have a former work colleague who went to immigration just one day after his work permit had been cancelled. He was fined 500 Baht and an overstay stamp was put in his passport. Any claims that you can continue to stay on the original visa are incorrect.

wow are u way off base,

 

My gf has had many 30 days extensions on her tourist visa,  in fact every tourist visa she has ever gotten we have applied for and received a 30 day extension..

 

IF he has a VALID 1 year non B VISA issued outside Thailand it is valid till the date t expires regardless if he has a wp or not

 

It would be great if Ubon joe or any of the others that KNOW 100% can delete such worthless ,incorrect confusing info.

Ca.

[gilo]

I have a one-year multiple entry non-B without the work permit and it is valid for its duration. The distinction between the visa and an extension of stay is not pedantic but actually wholly germane to the OP's status. However, how often io's may ask to see a work permit on re-entry is something that I remain unsure about in the current climate or indeed if it is an issue? 

[perthperson]

4 minutes ago, gilo said:

I have a one-year multiple entry non-B without the work permit and it is valid for its duration. The distinction between the visa and an extension of stay is not pedantic but actually wholly germane to the OP's status. However, how often io's may ask to see a work permit on re-entry is something that I remain unsure about in the current climate or indeed if it is an issue? 

It can be an issue at some entry points, Phuket being one. If you legitimately hold a "B" visa for reasons that do not require a WP then that should be easy to prove. 

[1SteveC]

1 hour ago, phuketrichard said:

WRONG

a multiple NON B 1 year visa (issued OUTSIDE the country) indicates he must leave every 90 days

 

The important word here is "with" that would indicate that the multiple entry is in addition to the "visa". Ergo the normal assumption would be an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

 

As another poster said, if it was a multi-entry Non-B, that is how most people would describe it.

[overherebc]

Basically if it'a big full page sticker it's a VISA. It may have a three month or a one year life span.

If you have a WP issued because you hold it, the VISA, and it has a must enter before date one year after you got it in UK USA Penang then you keep it after your WP is finished/cancelled. You still have to leave Thailand and re-enter every 90 days until the VISA expires.

If the enter before date is three months after you got it and then got your WP after three months it will be converted/changed to extension of permission to stay and you or your company will report to Imm' and get your permission to stay extended for another 90 days. Your original VISA is dead/gone and will be only referred to on your extension of permission to stay. If you or employer do 90 day reports then the day your job ends your extension of permission to stay also finishes. At this point you officially reguest an extension of stay that will be officially refused, but, for the sum of 1900 baht you will be given a 7 day permission to stay to sort out things and then leave to home or somewhere to obtain another VISA.

[jamiejoel]

Hi, 

 

Just to add to this thread. Leaving and cancelling your non-B and coming back on a tourist visa is from Monday lots harder. 

From July 15th you can still transfer the tourist or visa exempt stamp to a NON-B but you will now have to get all your degrees verified by your embassy. Plus a Thai agency as well. So more money and much more time. Your best bet would be to either look for work and ask the new company to take over your wp, or come on a 30 day exempt and then fly out and get a non-B. 

I know about the change as my school rushed me out to change it all last week. 

 

Hope this gives more info. 

 

JJ

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, 1SteveC said:

 

The important word here is "with" that would indicate that the multiple entry is in addition to the "visa". Ergo the normal assumption would be an extension and a multi re-entry permit.

Nonsense. A non 'B' visa is often issued 'with' multiple entries. The important word is "visa".

 

It is normal to assume the OP has a ME non 'B' visa because that's what they say they have.

 

It's reasonable to assume they, like many, are describing the basis of their permission to stay wrongly, but there is nothing in the OP that suggests the latter.

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[ericthai]

5 hours ago, Ron Mael said:

Any claims that you can continue to stay on the original visa are incorrect.

again you are giving incorrect info.   

I too have been thought this. I had a 1 year non-B mulit entry.  I quit working for a company they cancelled my work permit but since I had a Non-B and not An extension of stay I was able to stay in Thailand until my 90 day stamp was up then did a visa run and returned with no issues.  When you get an extension of stay when the reason for the extension is lost so is the extension, so then yes you have to leave.   

[Maestro]

30 hours have passed since this topic was started and it is now time to stop arguing whether or not the OP meant what he wrote. Topic closed.