mrwebb8825 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Golgota said: by the way working for the army is not necesseraly synonymous of being on the field... Sorry, but that's just s****d. You're defending their rights to Take but not Give? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Thakkar said: When have Trans people demanded a special bathroom for themselves? Someone who identifies as female and who has transitioned to female wanting to use the female bathroom is perfectly reasonable. A tennis player who has fully transitioned to female should what, compete only with male players? She is female, regardless of DNA. The world will never be a "super PC place" as long as bigots and boors live among us, so you have no worries there for the foreseeable future. If you think that asking for equal treatment is the same as wanting to smooth out all differences in wealth, intelligence and talent, you have no idea what you're talking about. Again, trans people are not asking the world to "elevate" the needs of trans people, just to elevate everyone's level of compassion. T Why regardless of DNA? what defines our gender? I quite accept, and respect, everyone's right to choose how they live their life and that includes: smoking pot abortion gay or straight Trans or whatever But you cannot change gender it is defined, at conception. PS an aside on the Tennis example you are really saying a Trans can play in the woman's section? with the benefits of male DNA? strength etc.? now that IS bizarre but it hasn't been tested yet so let's see? Edited August 4, 2017 by binjalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, binjalin said: Why regardless of DNA? what defines our gender? I quite accept, and respect, everyone's right to choose how they live their life and that includes: smoking pot abortion gay or straight Trans or whatever But you cannot change gender it is defined, at conception. PS an aside on the Tennis example you are really saying a Trans can play in the woman's section? with the benefits of male DNA? strength etc.? now that IS bizarre but it hasn't been tested yet so let's see? Smoking and abortion are choices, albeit very, very different kinds. Gay, straight or trans are not choices. The fact that you think they are is the crux of your misunderstanding on the issue. I thought you were prejudiced. I was wrong. You are just misinformed—a state of affairs much easier to correct. There is hope for you after all. ? Cheers. T T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Thakkar said: Smoking and abortion are choices, albeit very, very different kinds. Gay, straight or trans are not choices. The fact that you think they are is the crux of your misunderstanding on the issue. I thought you were prejudiced. I was wrong. You are just misinformed—a state of affairs much easier to correct. There is hope for you after all. ? Cheers. T T Hmmm well it is true that I actually don't really understand and I have tried to. But I can't get over the DNA issue anyway I have pulled us off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, binjalin said: Hmmm well it is true that I actually don't really understand and I have tried to. But I can't get over the DNA issue anyway I have pulled us off-topic. You are not alone. DNA is complicated. I don't claim to understand it. All I know for sure is that it isn't a choice, whatever the underlying DNA issue. I also feel that once I accepted the fact that it isn't a choice, the right approach is to be compassionate, to accept and to support. I am sure you will feel the same and reject Trump's divisive rhetoric on this matter. There! We're back on topic. You are welcome, moderators. ? T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgota Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 14 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said: Sorry, but that's just s****d. You're defending their rights to Take but not Give? You DO UNDERSTAND that many people in the army are not holding guns? if you think the army is just soldiers on the field you should stop watching tv shows and movies and start facing the reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwebb8825 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 8/4/2017 at 9:17 AM, Golgota said: You DO UNDERSTAND that many people in the army are not holding guns? if you think the army is just soldiers on the field you should stop watching tv shows and movies and start facing the reality so there's a Special boot camp for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwebb8825 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 8/4/2017 at 8:25 AM, binjalin said: PS an aside on the Tennis example you are really saying a Trans can play in the woman's section? with the benefits of male DNA? strength etc.? now that IS bizarre but it hasn't been tested yet so let's see? it was tested in the UFC and the ex-guy got his balls kicked in by a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 President Obama on the military: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, iReason said: President Obama on the military: Yeah, but can a black guy ever be as articulate as this white guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Regarding the topic, the retired military officers certainly can have an opinion, but those opinions don't mean anything. President Trump is the CURRENT Commander in Chief and what he says goes. Edited August 6, 2017 by mesquite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 ... at least his generals can say 'whatever' - without fear of being shot at dawn, by Ack Ack cannon fire!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ilostmypassword Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, mesquite said: Regarding the topic, the retired military officers certainly can have an opinion, but those opinions don't mean anything. President Trump is the CURRENT Commander in Chief and what he says goes. Well, in the sense that what he says has gone...away. At least, so far no follow through. Doesn't that strike you as being a bit odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 hours ago, ilostmypassword said: Well, in the sense that what he says has gone...away. At least, so far no follow through. Doesn't that strike you as being a bit odd? ‘A Guidance Policy for Open Transgender Service Phase Out’ https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2017/8/05/report-trump-admin-crafts-guidance-implementing-trans-military-ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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