http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

"Take a close look at the manner in which WTC 7 collapses straight down. For the building to collapse in this fashion, all of the load bearing supports would have had to fail at exactly the same time."

http://www.bartcop.com/flight93.htm

Catching the FBI in a Big Fat Lie

more to come. please post some links to sites that are worth a read.

"FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN"

Eyewitness Reports at Odds With Official Scenario

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html

WTC 7 is not either of the two big towers.

So whether it was demolished or fell down of its own accord doesn't really amount to much.

Boon Mee is going to have a field-day with you on this one Tornado. Get ready for arguments, insults and malice everybody!

Gent...you're going to be sitting in your rocker (probably off it to) when you're in your dotage still boring folks with these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Please find another windmill to joust at Don Quixote...

No malice here Trips

Boon, did not, did to, is not gonna get you any points here.

I will keep posting and you just keep doing whatever you do that rock must be getting heavy by now?

Boon Mee is going to have a field-day with you on this one Tornado.  Get ready for arguments, insults and malice everybody!

Naw, me and the Gent have 'mellowed' some from the 'old days' but just to keep my oar in the water, so to speak, I'll leave him with THIS!

something else to read- although a little of topic, I think you can see the point Im making.

Was TWA 800 Shot Down

By a Military Missile?

In 1996 TWA Flight 800 was shot down south of Long Island.

The government of the United States, despite the embarrassment of having been caught in court rigging lab tests and lying in its reports, still officially attributes the disaster to a spark in the center fuel tank, while government spokespeople insist that the witnesses who saw a missile hit the jumbo jet are all drunks.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.html

something else to read- although a little of topic, I think you can see the point Im making.

Keep that baseball cap firmly perched on your noggin and we'll be spared your 'point'...

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Forensic Seismology

Of 911 - Update

By Steve Davis

Geologist & Researcher

7-25-5

The seismographic analysis of WTC 911 is still undergoing research. From the initial reports that these seismographs were recording the buildings as they were hit by the planes and as they hit the ground, to more recent intense scrutiny of events, videos, eyewitnesses by experts and other researchers, a more complex sequence of events and causes for these collapses is developing.

Also initially, the seismographs were studied to determine the timing of events rather than vice versa. This gov't. request didn't make much sense, as seismographs are never used for that, and everyone already knows what time the events happened. The real science is in trying to determine exactly what generated these graphs and other explanations of what really happened. We believe that even with the many difficulties of interpreting unusual seismographs, there is enough historical seismic evidence to make fairly precise and accurate determinations.

We rounded up evidence that shows there were ground motions consistant with the 2+M quakes just before the collapses, rather than as they hit the ground. Videos are also backed up by eye witnesses and reporters of such motions. Plus, testimonies of those who survived the destruction of the sublevels, and those who confirmed all sorts of smaller explosions throughout the building. Just seconds after the ground motions, which are probably due to huge secondary basement blasts, the videos showed huge black plumes shooting up from the roofs. Then within a minute showed the bursting of the impacted floors with an incredible explosion and shattering of steel beams, hurling them upwards and far and wide, plus total pulverization of everything else into fine dust. No other building was ever so completely destroyed, not even the Palaces and Gov't. Bldgs. of Baghdad hit by full shock and awe cruise missiles and bunker busters burned or exploded like the WTC.

The seismographs for the WTC change with distance and geologic conditions, but the analysis of the P and S waves of many of them show such sharp and close arrival times that they are most closely matched with explosions rather than smaller amplitude dispersed waves of the collapses seen after these spikes. Some of the graphs closely match those of some of the largest chemical explosions and the smallest nuclear explosions, mini nuclear explosions. Years of monitoring nuclear test ban treaty events has refined this analysis, but so far the most sophisticated seismic modelling of 911 has not been done. Nevertheless, the graphs which show any extreme spiking are very suspect and the burden of proof is on those who claim that they were not explosions to show how anything can mimic major explosions and also that all the other evidence can be explained away to make the timing fit the initial simpler speculations. More exact seismic matches may lie hidden in the vast CTBT archives to which we do not have access, and researchers should attempt to obtain more data there. Also, the gov't. nuclear labs, LANL & LLNL, have sophisticated nuclear test modelling softwares that can be used to do complete analysis and make quite accurate and precise comparisons.

The witnesses to the major basement explosions were not fully aware of what was happening above, and were not inside at the time of the seismograph spikes, and many witnesses described smaller explosions throughout the buildings, so it is hard to piece this all together, but whatever the full extent, location and timing of the basement and cutter explosions, the seismographs and videos recorded the tremendous grand finale blasts below and above which took the buildings down.

We then tried to find info on mini nuclear tests, of which there have been an increasing munber not only at the Nevada Test Site but worldwide. This new refined nuclear technology is highly desired by the world's military to expand options for destruction and warfare. Such infamous mini nukes as suitcase bombs, artillery shells, mines, mirvs, cruise missiles and the deep penetrating bunker busters and many more are not part of most people's memories of the vast blasts and tremendous mushroom clouds they terrorised the world with in the early days. We found that the photos of mini nukes were far different than our old nuke memories, and the resemblance of these unique 'dredlock' clouds to the 'dredlock' clouds of WTC 911 are so close they are absolutely hair raisingly terrifying.

To further this investigation we are asking that samples of the dusts, that still are all over NYC, be given a whole new range of the most sophisticated tests to determine what unusual contaminants and or isotopes may be present. At the time, the iniital dusts were sampled for asbestos, toxins and so forth, and were not tested for things beyond the usual spectrographic or microscopic work up. Plus, no one ever really got to see the real data, just what the gov't. said it showed, no peer review nor independent tests. We need to do these tests with the finest and widest range of technologies and labs available and compare results.

Seismic References: Click here

Video of Shaking of NYC near WTC just before collapse and collapse.

Evidence of Shaking Before Collapse.

Seismograph of 911WTC, Magnitude 2.1 Spikes

Columbia Univ. Seismic Charts

Details of WTC Seismographs

India Nuclear Test vs Alaska Quake Seismographs

U TX Forensic Seismology

Identification of Explosions Vs Quakes p.9

Estimates of Yield

Simpler Differentiation

Nuclear Seismographs See Fig. 5 p.6

Other Seismographs From Bringham Young NY

W. Y. Kim, G.R. Baum, Seismic Observations 911

Discussion of Evidence & Seismographs

CDI Comments Etc.

Van Romero, NM Mining & Tecnology

911 Review of Seismic Reports

Review of Explosion Evidence

Rense, Seismic Data Refutes Official WTC Story

Chris Bollyn Amer. Free Press

WTC Cutter Charges, Photo Analysis

William Rodriguez, WTC Basement Explosion Survivor

Phillip Berg Esq. & William Rodriguez WTC 911 Lawsuit

Mike Pecararo, WTC Stationary Eng. 6th Basement

Phillip Morelli, 4th Basement Account

Eyewitnesses

Palace At Baghdad Damaged But Still Standing

Troups Seach Bombed Palace Still Standing

Gen Partin, OKC Bombing

Finish Military 911 Nuclear Theory & Photos

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

You're still beating this horse to death, Gent?

It's all been said before & it's all been proven demonstrably false...

You're still beating this horse to death, Gent?

It's all been said before & it's all been proven demonstrably false...

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Please post the proof for us to see & debate.

You're still beating this horse to death, Gent?

It's all been said before & it's all been proven demonstrably false...

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Click the link Boon.

if it has been "proven false", please post your links. Many scientists, metalurgists, professors, engineers, fireman and witnesess disagree with you and your moronic lying government. Deal with it!

You're still beating this horse to death, Gent?

It's all been said before & it's all been proven demonstrably false...

Please post the proof for us to see & debate.

OK...when you PROVE to me you've 'stopped beating your wife'!

...same, same argument...

Torny I read the link - maybe they didnt include the terrorists?

Better question if these theories had any credibility dont you think they would make the main stream press or are they in on it too?

Torny I read the link - maybe they didnt include the terrorists?

Better question if these theories had any credibility dont you think they would make the main stream press or are they in on it too?

Logic and Objective deduction w/respect to 9/11 are not some of the Gent's strong suits...

This is the one I always think is amazing.Take a quick second to have a look.

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml.

It really works.

Torny I read the link - maybe they didnt include the terrorists?

Better question if these theories had any credibility dont you think they would make the main stream press or are they in on it too?

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Logic and Objective deduction w/respect to 9/11 are not some of the Gent's strong suits...

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They have made the mainstream press, you even have thousands of people taking the government to court , you guys rave on like you actually know what happened, but have never posted a link to back up your theories. Instead it is easy to call people nut jobs and the like.

Be honest when ever did you two looneys actually look into this in any depth? - never, you folllow, even after thousands of highly educated people have "proven" 911 was a set up. Its for you to read, if you have enough time between placing your heads up your asses.

even this small bit of well publicised and proven information should be looked at with eyes open - Military exercises by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) with 22 imaginarily hijacked planes on 9/11/2001, before and simultaneously with the 'real' hijackings. Some of the defense interceptors flew to Alaska, as far as possible from the cities that were being attacked.

then, two highjackers that were supposed to be dead and have turned up on security video on other airports.

no arabs have been found amongst the dead.

fireman who were actually there, have also made some major claims about bombs going off.

German metalurgists have denounced that the building would fall like that after a fire - first time in history?, that its happened.

those coast-to-coast flights were booked by 20% instead of the usual 75% in order to minimize deaths

BTW, Boon Mee and Britmaverick work for ... companies?

it will all come out one day, lets just wait and see.

Torny - all the links you ever come from - normally conspiracy websites that put their spin and perspective on things.

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Trust me if you are right I'll be the first person on a plane to kiss your arse. Somehow I think it will never come to that though!!!

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Not allowed probably - or do you believe in freedom of press still Brit?

Or here's another explantion, it is not in the best interest of those paper's owners to print any evidence.

You do realise the media in all forms is a useful political tool used by governments and that the internet is probably the most free form of information at the moment?

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Not allowed probably - or do you believe in freedom of press still Brit?

Or here's another explantion, it is not in the best interest of those paper's owners to print any evidence.

You do realise the media in all forms is a useful political tool used by governments and that the internet is probably the most free form of information at the moment?

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...and the most inaccurate.

Well added TM, if I wasn't in a rush I would have put it there myself. Of course information you find on the internet is often innacurate, there is a lot of b/shit out there.

BKK - you validate my point.

Top 10 Conspiracy Theories of 2005 can be found Here and it is no surprise they blame the usual suspects: America and Israel.

"It's only (July), and already 2005 has seen its share of conspiracy theories from the Middle East. They began to appear in the early days of January, immediately following the tsunami, which was blamed on the usual suspects: America and Israel. The most popular accused America, Israel, and India of performing nuclear tests in the Indian Ocean, which caused the disaster."

My favorite is the Bush=HitlerChimpyMcHalliburtonChenyCabelTakeOverTheWorld Conspiracy...

Bush being a chimp is bible. Even Blair would probably agree.

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Not allowed probably - or do you believe in freedom of press still Brit?

Or here's another explantion, it is not in the best interest of those paper's owners to print any evidence.

You do realise the media in all forms is a useful political tool used by governments and that the internet is probably the most free form of information at the moment?

...and the most inaccurate.

Comparing media is a bit beside the point. That the frequency of accurate information on the Internet is less than in mainstream newspapers is not enough reason in itself to discredit any particular piece of information found on the Internet - these mainstream newspapers also publish on the Internet...

The rate of traditional media ownership concentration all over the world is increasing, with Internet being one of the few media where it is impossible to control the majority of sources.

That being said, the truth is that these German metallurgists, the fireman and other 'credible' witnesses mentioned for all we know could be figments of imagination, or complete nutters who happen to have a degree in metallurgy (acquired before they went bonkers), or it could be that the Bush government HAVE set the whole thing up, similar to what the US did before Pearl Harbour - inaction in order to provoke a desired result.

I don't know, but it is my personal belief that there are no noble motives whatsoever driving the US government, only the desire for domination of resources and suppression of real or perceived enemies.

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Not allowed probably - or do you believe in freedom of press still Brit?

Or here's another explantion, it is not in the best interest of those paper's owners to print any evidence.

You do realise the media in all forms is a useful political tool used by governments and that the internet is probably the most free form of information at the moment?

...and the most inaccurate.

I don't know, but it is my personal belief that there are no noble motives whatsoever driving the US government, only the desire for domination of resources and suppression of real or perceived enemies.

If one gleans one's news from MSM that's the impression you might get...

Why haven't this damning evidence been reported in washington post, nytimes, latimes, london post or any of the other leading newspapers in the world?

Not allowed probably - or do you believe in freedom of press still Brit?

Or here's another explantion, it is not in the best interest of those paper's owners to print any evidence.

You do realise the media in all forms is a useful political tool used by governments and that the internet is probably the most free form of information at the moment?

...and the most inaccurate.

I don't know, but it is my personal belief that there are no noble motives whatsoever driving the US government, only the desire for domination of resources and suppression of real or perceived enemies.

If one gleans one's news from MSM that's the impression you might get...

Keep your brain CLEAN. Watch FOX.