Englander

Trying to justify not spending money on your kids education- well its just an exercise in trying to make yourself feel better when you know you are not doing the best you could for your kids.

Ive recently thought similar to the OP, i am in the process of registering my baby daughter at a few private schools in the UK ..... lets say she stays on until A Levels its approx 12k PA x 14 years = 168K, then university fees which by then id imagine will be 15-20K PA so lets say 50K for a 3 year degree .... plus accommodation and living cost another 10K PA ... so your looking at somewhere near 250K if your wanting a top end education.

I could put down 50k deposit on a house for her now, rent it out and by the time she is 21 itll be paid off, then if i were to save the remaining 200K for her she'd be set up for life ...... and just send her to state school in a decent area, throw in some private tuition and keep my fingers crossed she's got natural academic ability and doesnt get involved with the wrong crowd.

Theyre charging more people then ever back in Blighty, i recently read 1 in 3 males have a criminal record .... no one on here though we're all righteous saints.

As usual your post requires some lacking evidence!

Well dont believe it then and ignore it, but its good to know some fool is scrutinizing all my posts, very flattering.

But here you go brains a quick google search will do it. Google - "UK 1 in 3 males have a criminal record"

http://news.bbc.co.u...tics/354157.stm

I wouldnt mind if i was allowed to be hit back (or first), it seems there is a bit of an uprising against police brutality back home with a few recent blatant cases, and them getting away with murder time after time.

But as for violence at football i started going 1980/1ish when i was a wee lad this includes many away games when violence was meant to be at its peak, and the only fight ive ever seen was 2 English fighting each other at the WC in France, which only involved 1 very good punch.

Theyre charging more people then ever back in Blighty, i recently read 1 in 3 males have a criminal record .... no one on here though we're all righteous saints.

70% of Thais with no pre-test studies of road signs,driving a 4+4, feeling I own the road.

Her indoors is doing driving lessons at the moment, she has been told its 2000 bht to pass.

she'll be doing the driving test properly back in England in the coming months.

ManCity have spent 450 million on with a few exceptions mediocrity.

Do people just pluck these figures out of the air? A couple of hundred million get added on at the flick of a keyboard.

they're usually parroted from tabloid news stories. whose journalists pluck the figures out of the air to create hype / drama.

Yeah, plus Englander added his own 5o mil

Including Taksins spending which was only a few years ago it must be very near that figure.

This link shows all the new regimes spending, and reckons its over 300 million, not including Boletti or Milner, so lets say 350 million!

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/836152-manchester-citys-spending-spree-tops-300m

But i can understand you thinking it wasnt that much after the weekend.

EVERYTHING CHANGES, NOTHING CHANGES!

Grudge match: Fans v Police - Football fans say they are herded and harassed by police. Officers say they are fighting hooliganism in what is becoming a bitter face-off - Francis Beckett The Guardian.

On Saturday 5 January 2008, Cliff Augur went to watch Chelsea play football, as he has done most Saturdays for 40 years. He had with him his two teenage sons and two of their friends.

After the match, one of his sons' friends, Charlie, went into a pub to use the toilet. Waiting outside, Augur heard shouting. Suddenly the area was full of police with dogs, who formed a cordon round the pub. Augur phoned Charlie, who said the police would not let him out. Augur politely appealed to them. "I told them that he was a 15-year-old boy for whom I was responsible," says Augur, but he was curtly rebuffed, and the police started pushing people. "I was knocked into my younger son, John. The dog handler allowed the dog sufficient rein so that it could get at my other son, James. I saw the dog sink his teeth into James's lower leg. It was obvious he was in pain. I shouted to the police: 'That's my son, let him go.'"

Augur kicked out at the dog. The animal released James and turned on him, sinking its teeth into his leg. He fell to the floor. "I saw the dog in my face. I was horrified and frightened."

The dog was pulled away, and two or three policemen seized him. "I was on the floor with them holding me down. I felt a tremendous kick to my right side underneath my armpit. I was gasping for breath. I really thought I was going to die. A few seconds later I felt someone standing on my back, holding me down with their foot.

"I managed to look to my right and I saw two policemen holding James on the floor. He was shouting: 'Help me, Dad, help me.' A policeman punched him in the face while he was being held down on the floor. That will live with me for ever. It really upset me that I could not help my son."

Augur was in dreadful pain throughout the long period he spent in the police station, but was given no treatment apart from a painkiller. When fingerprints, photographs and other formalities had been completed, he and his son were taken to hospital, where he was found to have four broken ribs and a punctured lung.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission initiated an investigation, and passed its file to the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS did not prosecute the police officer named by Augur because, according to IPCC commissioner Nicholas Long, "the investigation could not identify conclusively the officer concerned".

Is this an unfortunate one-off incident in the long police battle against football hooliganism? Not according to the director of Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti: "I have come to be horrified at some of the treatment that law-abiding fans have experienced. We are in danger of demonising anyone who goes to football matches." Long agrees: "I am surprised that we see as few complaints and referrals as we do from policing of football matches. The police should not imagine that the majority of people attending football matches are bent on violence."

Liberty became involved after the Football Supporters' Federation approached Chakrabarti in November 2008, on behalf of 78 Stoke City fans.

"We were going to watch Stoke play in Manchester," says Lyndon Edwards. "Last time we'd been there, we'd been herded about like cattle at Manchester Piccadilly station. So we decided to meet in a pub in Irlam [to the south-west of the city]."

There was no trouble. Nonetheless, police with dogs swooped on the pub and ordered the supporters on to a coach back to Stoke. Section 27 of the Violent Crime and Disorder Act 2006 allows police to move people out of an area. "They gave me a form to sign and they'd filled it in for me and it said I was involved in alcohol-related violent disorder. I wouldn't sign it because it wasn't true," says Edwards. "They said, 'Either sign it or you'll go in the cells.' So I signed it but I wrote on it that I didn't agree with it."

It took two hours to process everyone, and probably another hour to drive to Stoke. Edwards and the other supporters were not allowed to get off the coach, even after pleading to use a lavatory. By the time the coach got to Stoke, it was swimming in urine.

This summer, nearly two years later, Greater Manchester police paid out £184,000 in compensation – more than £2,000 each – to the 78 supporters. Its deputy director of legal services, Sian Williams, says: "At the time the use of the powers was new and we have since taken steps to improve our understanding of the legislation to try to prevent this from happening again."

But if lessons have been learned, it is not obvious to Malcolm Clarke, chair of the FSF. "There's a culture developing among parts of the police force that you can do what you like to football supporters because, unlike protesters, they won't complain," he says.

James McKenna, 23, is both a Liverpool fan and a protester – he's one of the leaders of Spirit of Shankly, which campaigned against the club's ownership by the Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett. On 13 December last year, he shouted "Yanks out" at a limousine entering the Anfield Road gates, which he believed was carrying the owners. "There was a peaceful crowd doing everything the police asked," he says. "But the moment I shouted, they threw me against the wall and said they were arresting me – for racism."

He was placed in a cell for five hours, then charged with a public order offence. An officer claimed McKenna had shouted: "fuc_king Yankee bastards out." McKenna continues to deny this. He was eventually released and told that one of his bail conditions would be that he could not go to Liverpool matches or into the city centre. His arrest was reported in the Liverpool Post, and he feared he might lose his job – he is a civil servant. In the end, the FSF found him a barrister and all the charges were dropped.

Under the Football Spectators Act 1989, police can ask magistrates for an order banning a supporter from football matches for three to 10 years. Anthony MacManus, 40, was waiting at Durham airport to fly to the World Cup this summer when two special branch officers approached and told him that two police officers from Middlesbrough had said he was a threat. They held him for six hours in a cell then took him before a magistrate, but the mysterious Middlesbrough officers were still not there. The magistrate confiscated his passport and deferred the hearing. Four more followed, all adjourned because the officers failed to appear. At last, on 24 August, the police withdrew their application for a banning order. MacManus has lost the £715.60 he paid for his ticket to Johannesburg, and has spent more than he can afford on solicitors' fees. A ceiling fixer, he was lucky not to lose his job when his name appeared in the papers – he kept it only because his boss goes to football with him and knows he has never been involved in violence. "I've followed England all over the world and never been involved in any trouble," says MacManus.

A spokesperson for Durham constabulary says: "Acting on initial information received, a decision was taken to prevent him from travelling and he was detained. Having made further inquiries, a decision was taken to apply for a football banning order. The police subsequently requested that the application be withdrawn, following a review of the case."

Football supporters everywhere come up with endless stories like these. Chakrabarti says: "They have grown used to being herded en masse. If you want people to behave well, treat them with respect."

Andy Holt, assistant chief constable for South Yorkshire, who heads the UK Football Policing Unit, says the tactic works: "It is hard-hitting, but it is proportionate – and it works. There are occasions when mistakes are made." Football violence has declined, he says, and banning orders are a key to that.

Clarke thinks the reasons for the decline have as much to do with changes in society and general football culture. The FSF supports the police in dealing with violence, but, "If the police say, 'Here are 10 banning orders, six of which are justified and four that are not,' they are likely to regard it as a job well done because they have banned half-a-dozen hooligans. We say that the fundamental principles of British justice have been denied to the other four supporters.http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/features.nsf/0/05886BCB9039E2B6802577CC0039B9E7?OpenDocument

Yer not rushing back to mackemland then mate?

<deleted> that it pains me to see homo sapians living in such conditions, besides im off to the circus next month.

I've just spent two weeks living at Baker's Arms in Leyton.....the one eyed prostitute was an ee opener midget that she was.....maybe she'll be appearing!

She sounds like marriage material ... but fair play to Chris Hughton he's got a below average bunch of players playing out of their skin , if he keeps them up he deserves a cracking contract .... too many managers are charlatans from the old boys network that are getting a huge contract on day one and are being paid for doing <deleted> all ... he's most certainly not one of them!

Yer not rushing back to mackemland then mate?

<deleted> that it pains me to see homo sapians living in such conditions, besides im off to the circus next month.

Time for some Maradona magic!

3-0 at Half Time against the folk from the civilised city .. maybe a good time to open this thread.

Barry and Milner continue to disappoint, as does Kolo Toure

Barry's fat and was never more then average, Milner is a good pro but not whats needed if you need to get to the top.

ManCity have spent 450 million on with a few exceptions mediocrity. And your managers let Bellamy on of the few with something about him leave.

Obama didn't have much choice. Either add debt or throw the world into a (bigger) economic meltdown. He did the right thing...but it hurts for sure.

He had a choice.

Now the painful part starts, just like in England, cuts have to be made. It will be interesting to see what they do about this...

What painful part, the US is spending like never before it hasnt made cuts thats not painful he's spending to stay in power and keeping ponzi going for that little bit longer, .... Further to that Britains cuts take govt spending to 2008/9 when Gordon Brown was spending like mad to stay in power ... but because they spin it like there are huge cuts the sheeple swallow the medicine.

Our kids will think this generation were fcuken stoopid asshles who spent their future and theyre correct. (just as i think of the baby boomers)

The reality is the US has to make hard choices - defense or medicare? disenfranchised or welfare? Low taxes and full employment is simply a wet dream.

It will certainly help, not many are inspired to go out and work that bit harder or to open a business when theyre giving upto half of it to the govt ... red tape in the west has to be slashed to help business take off and compete.

I believe youve got a business here, if they had the high taxes and rules and regulations in Thailand as they do in the UK im sure youd have had to think longer and harder as to whether it is worth it.

In 2009 I could get a return LHR to BKK for 250UKP

No you couldnt.

Cheers was about to book a one way flight to London for this week with them.

I think you don't understand American politics and you are being being ridiculous bringing holocaust denial into this.

I am aware of all the things the liberals accuse them of to demonise them, hence I was exaggerating to highlight a point.

Though if they are as bad as what your kind say, im curious to know what the same ilk think of Obama who has added 5 trillion dollars worth of debt in a short period of time, surely actually doing something to the detriment of a country is worse then what you imagine goes on in peoples minds!

Larry Summers. Extreme socialist. Nice try. Total BS.

After guiding Harvard U's endowment to a 1.9 billion $ loss in derivatives he certainly proved he was Obama's best choice for the country's chief financial advisor though.

But but but but Palins stoopid and all teabaggers are racist, holocaust denying homophobes ... thats how the argument goes isnt it?

Actually, teabaggers are not holocaust deniers. Where did you get that goofy idea?

The same place you got theyre racist and homophobes from.

But they question as to whether global warming is man made... its on a par as being a holocaust denier these days.

Larry Summers. Extreme socialist. Nice try. Total BS.

After guiding Harvard U's endowment to a 1.9 billion $ loss in derivatives he certainly proved he was Obama's best choice for the country's chief financial advisor though.

But but but but Palins stoopid and all teabaggers are racist, holocaust denying homophobes ... thats how the argument goes isnt it?

If the R's (fueled by tea madness) take power this week, they will stop the very productive and important REGULATION of the banking and finance industries being worked on by Obama. Be careful what you wish for, teaheads.

You mean the people that caused the mess and became rich beyond the wildest dreams of 99.999% of the population are now being given the opportunity to fix the problem ... yet you call people who speak out and vote against this mad!

For you to come out with such name calling highlights why the average prole realises its your lot that are the true extremists. Your ability to see things from a slightly different standpoint is non existent.

Taken out of context. However there is a good argument that the bold actions by both Bush and Obama did indeed prevent a severe global depression after the financial meltdown. Many economists agree, as do I, but you are free to disagree.

It was the Banks policy Bush and Obama just ok'd it, and all that would have happened would have been a few bad businesses went out of business their good assets would have been bought out by the cautious and the property market which keeps us proles in a lifes worth a debt would have properly crashed and housing would have become affordable.

What we've now got is the banks main assets aka property being propped up and kept artificially high by the taxpayer, with many of these dumbfux not being able to buy one of the little slave boxes.

But its an extreme socialist policy Jingthing so i can see why you think its so great.

Really? There is a perfectly pleasant little spot in that area called Lolita's with rather reserved, but very cheerful young ladies.

A cracking business idea visited the one in soi 8 BKK before but that was at night, the ones in soi Boukow looked like theyve their halloween make up on all year round.

Hillary vs. Sarah. What a contrast! Genius vs. idiocy.

Hilary Clinton is an traitorous vile excuse for a human being, will do anything for power, is corrupt and is desperate for a war with Iran ... as stupid as Palin is at least she is human.

Besides it was Bills mates at Goldman Sachs who he put in power to deregulate the mortgage industry that has put your nation in the mess its never going to be able to get out of, with current spend spend spend policies.

Both my girls will have British, Aussie and Thai nationality, a university education in the country of their choice and will never have to worry about money. I suspect they are going to have a great impact on Thai society. My youngest was already on the cover of a magazine before she turned 1.

I like your unbiased modesty.

I personally think if a child doesnt live here all, or at least the majority of his/her life she isnt Thai and wont make a difference ... and lots of these international kids are baseless and plain weird imho.

No matter how people try and dress it up, there's only one reason to visit/ live in Pattaya, and I'm only talking about the areas where girls/ ladyboys/ boys are prevalent.

I am in BKK and go there once a month to hit the boxing gym for 4-5 days and have a few days eating decent priced English food, i can genuinely say i dont frequent the girly bars and dont wish to have the same mundane conversation time and again.

Besides unless you go to the gogo bars the women of Pattaya are old, flabby and not my cup of tea, i would have no use for any of them.