khunPer

3 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Oh, how lucky you got away all the time. Good for you Khun Per. Now everyone believes you.

Yes, I'm a lucky guy, very lucky...????????
And what is your experience, since you know so well about it..?

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

As you said, since the epidemic began, so since March 2020. Therefore totally irrelevant to the present situation.

Where..?

36 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yep, there we have it again. Likely!? Guess work at it´s best, or have you been attacked more than once. Maybe have experience of thousands of such guys with Thai nationality? Right dude!

I've seen several, but I avoid myself to get involved in any kind of conflict with Thai males...????

7 hours ago, webfact said:

I have paid nearly B100,000 for membership,” said one of the members filing the complaint, who asked to be named only as “Mr Pornchai”.

That's a lot of money, but perhaps I'm not up-to-date on gym fees...????

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Usually! Do you have much experience? Do you personally know many Thais that react the same way?

You know what I think. I think you just read too much news, and suddenly believe that the ones behaving like that represent the majority. That´s the scary stuff here.

That - violent reaction - is what we usually hear from other Thais that tries to protect a foreigner, and that's what we usually read in the news, i.e. don't get involved in any kind of conflict with Thai males; sad but likely the truth.

7 minutes ago, Espanol said:

They are not tourists, but Thai people and residents returning home.

Wow, you don't say...????

On 8/1/2021 at 2:25 PM, Jingthing said:

Has this castration of your in-real-life complaining mojo happened to you too?

I remember when visiting US that I was advised to complain, as I otherwise would not get the service I paid for. Unfortunately I'm from a country where we, at least some years back - quite a number of years now - didn't need to complain, and luckily on only one occasion I found it necessary in US; and it did work...????

In Thailand I don't find much to complain about, and perhaps I'm also getting use to that Thai standards in some areas are different from Westerner's expectations; actually I find it nice that complaining is not needed for.

And don't forget that complaining can be equal to some might loose face - and that's bad, can even be very bad - so just smile, mai pen rai khrab, and be happy...????

On 8/2/2021 at 3:37 AM, possum1931 said:

Apart from having female company, why does anyone go to the cinema nowadays?

Yes, as I'm unfortunately not rich enough to have my private Dolby Atmos digital cinema, I need to use a public venue, as I enjoy watching the new movies in a big dark room on a huge screen with excellent sound - unfortunately I have a professional career in supplying outstanding sound systems for Dolby-cinemas - and I don't fancy female company to disturb me when enjoying a good movie, but I also don't mind same beings later...????

On 7/31/2021 at 12:18 PM, spidermike007 said:

Would prefer a good vaccine, like the Pfizer or the Moderna. Any advice or information is appreciated. 

According to news articles 150,000 Pfizer-doses from US, which arrive recently, have been set aside for foreigners registering by Expatvac...

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

So not cases since 31 July as you wrote earlier. Maybe you mean 'per'?

 

To look at what is happening now we need present numbers, not from march 2020.

I don't know what you are reading?

Where do you see anything from March 2020?

Many thanks...???? -keep up the good work...????????

Little scaring, when reading about European scientists saying that the Delta-variants spreads very fast, and opposite the first observations, it seems to make infected people quite sick...????

We might need to take the government restrictions serious, even some of them might seem unnecessary viewed through a Westerner's glasses.

However, always looking at the bright side of life, it's still less than one percent of people in Thailand that have been infected (693,305 of 69,991,118 = 0.99%), in some countries it's over 10 percent of the population, for example USA (10.85%); Netherlands (10.91%); and Sweden (10.84%). Some few countries even more than 15 percent.

Almost 99,2 percent of the infected people in Thailand have survived so far (687,642 of 693,305), in US it's only 98.25 percent that have survived.

In comparison the flu seems to have vanished after Covid came around. Perhaps the media coverage and lockdowns makes us more scared. I know stats from my Scandinavian home country, where the flu during a "normal" year (12 month) would kill about 1,500 people, in a high infectious year more than 2,500 with 1,800 in the so-called "flu season", which lasts a few months, out of a population of 5.9 million. The Covid has taken 2,550 lives so far, but that's over almost 1½ year and close to two flu seasons. Also note that in Denmark vulnerable groups are vaccinated against flu, especially elder people, where the Covid vaccinations only began this year. Only really sick people were hospitalized, all others just stayed home, and a quite high number of the population got infected by flu virus. However, people might have build up some immune system protection for flu over the last 100 years, since the last huge pandemic, The Spanish Illness, which is said to have infected 40 percent of the Earth's population with estimated 17 million to 100 million deaths among about 500 million infected. We don't have precise statistics, but based on the known estimates it was a death rate from about 3.4 percent to 20 percent among flu-infected people.

I'm not saying the Covid is nothing to fear, I'm just comparing to an earlier similar about two year long pandemic, so in a way we have so far been very lucky...????

6 hours ago, webfact said:

A joint initiative by Phuket officials and the private sector has launched a ‘Sandbox Express Bus’ service so that Sandbox tourists stuck in Phuket under the current shutdown of flights and buses can travel to other provinces.

I'm surprised that such a relative high number of turists, compared to the total incoming number, wish to see other places in Thailand. Perhaps it has to do with the Covid-virus...????

Before the virus infected us, it was my impression most of the Phuket-tourists stayed on the island for their two weeks holiday, of course with excursion trips to some surrounding islands, and especially younger folks might spend some time on Phi Phi, and move on to Chiang May and Phangan...????

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The top 5 nationalities arriving in Phuket by air, are Americans, Israelis, Thais, British, Germans and French via airlines such as Thai Airways, Emirates Airline, Singapore Airline and Ethihad.

Seems like a lot of Thais are longing after summer vacation in their home country...????

1 hour ago, KhaoYai said:

Where I refer to 'real world' in the the first paragraph, that is not an opinion, its what I know to be true.

 

When I say things like 'personally' etc. in later paragraphs - i am making the distiction that I am passing an opinion. I though that was clear - its paragraphed.

 

The protestors may or may not have a care for others but I think the fact that so many demonstrated in their cars shows that at least some did.  As for the rest, well, given the situation, I think its excusable.  People do desperate things in desperate times. I think you're wrong to condemn them for it - have you ever had to walk in their shoes?

 

I contrast that with the BLM protests in London last year which I thought were wrong - those people had a serious point to make but they weren't starving.

Thanks for your reply and explanation, but I still read your first real paragraph, the second in number - in the first paragraph in number you say that it's not opinion, but you are "quoting the real world" - as opinions. You say (my bold)...

The pandemic is clearly not the government's fault but dealing with it is and they have failed miserably. The situation with the 'first wave' was more down to luck than judgement in my opinion and I believe the figures were 'adjusted'. I don't think the government's ability was really tested at the time - now they have a much more serious situation.

In  next paragraph...

The complaints against the government are serious and well founded.  This latest outbreak has really put them to the test and they have failed miserably.  The Indian variant has taken hold and spread rapidly wherever its been found in the world. Personally, in Thailand, I think it could have been contained to a larger extent, gaining valuable time if they had locked down before Songkran.  By not doing that it was clear what would happen - and it has.

I can agree with a number of your opinions, like the lack of restriction at Songkran, and that a lockdown should have been earlier - immediately in my view, more than once people got time to commute first - but it's still opinions, yours and mine, even that I agree. I didn't notice the "quotes".

However, in this thread, the subject is about the demonstrations in Bangkok right now, and my first post in this thread was my view about that, i.e. about "bad timing" and "caring for other people"; but you are welcome to disagree.

I also thought that the BLM demonstrations last year in my home country Denmark was wrong at that time due to the Covid-pandemic - and so did a lot of others, actually 77 percent of the Danish population were against demonstrations during the Covid pandemic, if polls can be trusted - luckily nothing happened, apart for a few cases. I have no knowledge about the London BLM-demonstrations.

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29 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Sorry but I'm not giving my opinion - I'm quoting what is going on in the real world, the experience of real people. It's happening throughout Thailand and its affecting millions of people.

 

The pandemic is clearly not the government's fault but dealing with it is and they have failed miserably. The situation with the 'first wave' was more down to luck than judgement in my opinion and I believe the figures were 'adjusted'. I don't think the government's ability was really tested at the time - now they have a much more serious situation.

 

The complaints against the government are serious and well founded.  This latest outbreak has really put them to the test and they have failed miserably.  The Indian variant has taken hold and spread rapidly wherever its been found in the world. Personally, in Thailand, I think it could have been contained to a larger extent, gaining valuable time if they had locked down before Songkran.  By not doing that it was clear what would happen - and it has.

 

As other governments are learning, the only way out of this mess is through a comprehensive vaccine programme. Thailand's much hailed vaccine programme was supposed to start on 7 June but ran into supply problems on day one. Quite what's happening with the local production of the AZ vaccine I don't know - all seems to have gone quiet on that. There is only one person responsible for the current situation on vaccines - this is the first time he's really been tested and he's failed.

 

The results of these failures are a rapidly spreading virus and an economy creeping towards the plughole. Thailand may not have the cash to intervene financially in the way richer countries have but its by no means a poor country and could at the very least made sure its population has the basic necessities for life.  Giving relatively small amounts of cash out without any system for checking need is ridiculous and simply 'box ticking'. Making it only available to those who are 'online' is just unbelievable.

 

The previous complaints against Prayuth's government have been integrated with the people's anger at his handling of the pandemic - that's why they are protesting now.  You may not see it from where you sit but a hell of a lot of people are in dire straits.

Thanks for your reply, but it's still an opinion - "Personally, in Thailand, I think it could have been..." - and even that we probably can agree that the situation is serious, then we have different views, and opinions; and that's Okay, and fine we can safely discus it in a forum...????????

My opinion is about caring for other people, and that's why I said that "taking the Covid-situation, and timely care for others, into consideration, it seems like very bad timing for a demonstration".

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So e.g., since 31 July for Denmark 54,000 cases per 1 mio inhabitants. 6 MiO inhabitants so 324.000 cases in 4 days. Sorry, I don't believe those numbers.

Do you read what's written?

It says "total cases", which is what have been officially reported since the epidemic began, active cases are number of Covid-19 positive reported on the day of the statistics...
 

Denmark (my own "safe" Scandinavian home country)...

total cases per 1 million: 54,362

deaths per 1 million: 438

active cases adjusted to per 1 million: 1,916

You need the "per 1 million" figure to compare.

If you believe or not is up to you, but it's official governmental data; did you care to check the link?

Denmark reported for August 4th, population 5.814 million...

total cases per 1 million: 55,074

deaths per 1 million: 439

new cases: +927

active cases: 11,348

Thailand reported for August 4th, population 69.990 millions...

total cases per 1 million: 9,607

deaths per 1 million: 79

new cases: +20,200

active cases: 211,076

11 minutes ago, Neilly said:

If the military hadn't taken over from the elected government then it might not have been necessary either...????

Have you forgotten the Red Shirts and the Yellow Shirts..?

On 7/31/2021 at 11:49 AM, giddyup said:

I don't know what the statistics are, I'm sure they'd be never published, but it looks to me like I'd be putting myself in danger of infection just being here.

Second time might be less dangerous, then all already have got their first jab...????

On 8/3/2021 at 12:34 PM, spidermike007 said:

Any reasonable explanation for this? Or is it simple picking on the little guy, and sabotaging more lives and creating more economic peril, without the backing of any sort of reason or science? Where is the science to back up such restrictions? Is there any? Or is this simply corporate favoritism, and the incessant choice of the big guns, over the little guys?

Any reasonable explanation for this?

Not really, they have the same discussion ongoing for long time in my Scandinavian home country, so perhaps someone person important in some health society mentioned something that might get various governments act like this...????

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