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Has just also occured in the Toilets in Adelaide, at the Tour DownUnder. Odd.

I did not realize how many CCTV's there are in Thailand. I live in Kanchanaburi and just realized there are 3 cameras at every intersection along the river road. Kind of creepy because you never notice them them once you see them you realize how many there are. I take solace in the fact I knowing most of them more than likely do not work and the guy watching the other end most likely is sleeping.

Dont be surprised if the police are watching, always, too make money. I certainly would be, if in their Shoes.

This is more complex than it seems. There is a lot of smoke. There are a lot of mirrors.

Payments have been obstructed by the opposition. The government side also has many people who skimmed off the top, middle and bottom.

There are no heroes in this. There is a lot of heroin in it from the golden triangle, but no heroines. There is a lot of 'truthiness' in this, but very little truth.

Think. It hurts to think sometimes. Experience self-doubt. Dwell on facts balanced between ego and opposition. Rotate your tires. Re-hydrate hourly. Never play cards with a man called Jack, or play snooker with a man called Slim.

You will lose.

Whats so complex about having a Dud Scam, Troll on slivery moon.

Yes, I saw them in immigration doing their '90 days'

No, you miss understand. Try looking around Nana and see if its possible for a Thai to get Pregnant and have a Western looking Child. Only foreigners do Visa,s.

How many Light skinned Children, in Thailand, that look Western. Shit loads, so don,t be suprized if he,s one of the Lads.

OMG now this one is at it .... so whats the bet this time ? Chinese or North Korean ..... kinda makes sense but...... naaaaa just more xenophonic thainess bs

PS if the court revokes the SOE after Suthep has confirmed they will do everything they can to stop the election process then the Civil court are paid off and bought .... no question.

Some people have Ethics and Morals, and are, not all Venal like that Square Headed ,Murdering, Leader of the North .

And this man has the Gaul to include the word DEMOCRACY in his party yet is now prepared to prevent THE RIGHT TO VOTE for the people of Thailand this Sunday. I hope that once the new government is elected and we all know the outcome already that they have the courage to place this guy under arrest for the damage he has caused to the good folk of Thailand. I would love to see him exported for a couple of weeks to North Korea or to the salt mines of Russia Goodbye and Good riddance Suthep !!!

Jesus, Dont some of the posters Read, After the Election a Government cannot be formed as there aren,t enough Ministers . Shortly after this the caretaker government will be Kicked out of Parliment for trying to Usurp the Constitution. Any vote is just a sham, to show the people that yes, we won the Election but can,t sit as most of us are Criminals. United Dupes of Democracy sounds more like it

Ok. If this is the case why stop the people from voting? If it is a sham all the better for Suthep, I would think. Go figure!

For sure its better for the antishins, I would think better for the country, as Thaksin is after the Court,s. A Government cannot be formed with less than 95% of Reps. Then on top of that is the attempt to Usurp the Senate. Go Figure.

The "widely respected 185 public figures" is a euphemism for "the establishment elite." It's analogous to putting the fox in the chicken coup.

Excellent analysis!!!

Simpletons have a fascination in this land with the labels "academic", "professor" among others.

Their finite rationale never goes beyond the phonetics of the word: what of their political leaning, their provenance, past or present family ties to the current or past administrations, etc.? They assume that because of those labels, THEY know better than the rest of the population. Ergo, they should be able to tell us what we ought to do.

Oftentimes Professors and academics are ideologues who can only operate in the realm of an idea. Any connection with the practice of real life is left out as it would upset the balance of their abstract concoctions. That is the chief failure of Utopia (disguised as Socialism and Communism) that cannot exist in reality. Humans have diverse opinions, upbringing, goal and aspirations nearly impossible to catalog or foresee.

To leave reform to the academics and professors will lead to the transfer of power to a false prophet, a charlatan, an opportunist or yet another Elmer Gantry.

Is this your idea? seems like your saying you are more Knowledgeble than the Professors and they have no concept of what it is, you know.Leave Reform to Thaksin and see how things turn out, no thank you.

Sophistry. Look it up

Yes, I have looked it up. What I don,t know is,what parts of your Blurb, are you trying to highlight.

Further actions of this kind seem to be to provoke civil war to the extent that the army is forced into action .

People should understand that the Thai armed forces are not a fighting force to protect Thailand and her people .

They are to protect the King , to enhance royal prestige , a show of armory , to make a display on colourful parades .

Give Suthep and his followers enough rope and they will hang themselves .

A military coup does not equal civil war. Stop being so dramatic.

Especially, in the Land Of Coups.

I think a lot of posters on here could have saved their energy if they had read what the thread title is

Unpaid Thai rice farmers allege intimidation as protest ends

See that word allege, there's a reason for it. Read on and it states:

"After claiming they had been pressured by intimidation,"

"Another protest leader, Chatree Ampoon, could not be reached for comment following reports that red shirts and officials had intimidated his wife over his participation in the protest."

"But across the country, about 1.4 million farmers have not yet received payment, raising suspicion the government might expedite payments to farmers in areas known as Pheu Thai's political strongholds first."

But, of course,as far as some posters are concerned, it's allegations against the government so they must be true.

Or in your case it totally Incomprehensible that the reds would threaten the Honest Rice farmer,and 800 million baht is owed in Thaksin Land, and what was it 7.3 billion in MahaSarakan,its allegations against my Team ,so they can,t be true.

And this man has the Gaul to include the word DEMOCRACY in his party yet is now prepared to prevent THE RIGHT TO VOTE for the people of Thailand this Sunday. I hope that once the new government is elected and we all know the outcome already that they have the courage to place this guy under arrest for the damage he has caused to the good folk of Thailand. I would love to see him exported for a couple of weeks to North Korea or to the salt mines of Russia Goodbye and Good riddance Suthep !!!

Jesus, Dont some of the posters Read, After the Election a Government cannot be formed as there aren,t enough Ministers . Shortly after this the caretaker government will be Kicked out of Parliment for trying to Usurp the Constitution. Any vote is just a sham, to show the people that yes, we won the Election but can,t sit as most of us are Criminals. United Dupes of Democracy sounds more like it

Democracy, doesn,t work. Is it a Democracy when voters are disenfranchised ,like the Florida voters, in GW Bushes 2nd Term Election. Is it a Democracy when the vote is paid for by the Winner, or Corporate Sleeze Bags. No. Democracy is an unobtainable Goal. In CM the Opposition can,t raise their voices, lest they be attacked by the so called believers in Democracy. Let the people vote and give Amnesty to all the Crooks, I for one dont call that Democracy, I call that being sucked in.

I think you are behind the times. freedom of speech, you can get jailed for having an Opinion in the US. Those with the money are the ones that win, so, Democracy it ain,t.

as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News.

Uh huh.

And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you?

Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right?

Dangerous thinking jonestown boy.

I still think you are confused, I never said I will be voting, I will be taking a truck load of voters to the polls, which will be open to vote for anyone, but the Dems. A no vote for the Reds will more than likely be the cause of great rejoicing and an excuse to party. The Heaven bit is a bit Jonestownish and no one in their right mind would believe in your dream world. All the Polling Booths will be open here in the North.

Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!!

I'm confused- you support the position of the letter writer- who comes from a party that demands that you NOT vote- supported by demos seeking to deny your right to vote-- and yet you plan to defy them and go vote anyway. And you seem to support the demos having permitted yhou that right by shutting down polling stations. You know why foreigners say thai logic is-- uhh- different?

Maybe your thinking is emblematic of much of the problems in YOUR country.

as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News.

And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s.

Great- Feb 2nd go vote for them...

put your support into action.

All ready to take a truck load to vote for Suthep,whats your plan?

Bleat all you want. There is only Sutheps side actively and physically blocking voters.

They get in the way and get hurt nobody, but nobody gives a dam_n.

We do not want fascism and thailand needs to move forward before it goes bust. I have said this often. Suthep is finacially shielded from this fall out, as are many in the elites. They are quite happy that the country go broke so they have a chance to say iw went broke under PT rule.

Even though nobody supports him, his megalomania drives him on. They want this one last coup, settle scores and set their rancid children up for a generation of the same. How many of Sutheps family involved now through politics, PDRC stage, navy etc.

It's a clan of maniacs and Thailand must get better. Any violence required to keep open democracy is laid firmly at Sutheps door. Firmly and without equivocation, he will be condemned by all world leaders and all NGO's outside of Thailand. They are watching and do not like what they see from the PDRC

Facism or Capitalist dictatorship, Well we have the Capitalist Dictator biding his time, the rest is your imagination. Your Future isn,t here yet.

With all these threats of kidnap etc against the PM I think it's time for the government to get extremely heavy handed on these clowns. Water canons with water coloured with potassium permganate so protesters and their leaders can be arrested more or less any time within the next few months as they will be easily identified by their purple stained skin would be a good start. If they weren't actually involved in any crimes then they would have been witness as they were obviously attending. Protest leaders and their families should all be whisked away by army special units and imprisoned somewhere out of reach and without any rights. Sounds harsh? Well the Suthep and his protesters are attempting to kidnap legitimately elected officials (doesn't matter whether you like it or not - that's a fact) and have made threats to their families and children, they are also denying people their basic rights (to vote, to go to work, to let their children go to schools unmolested etc) so why not deny these traitors and terrosrists their rights and see how they feel about it?

Really Weird Idea, what have you been dreaming. Sounds Harsh, too bloody right it sounds Harsh, suppose bash and crash are alright in your Utopia, but how does Imprisoning Children and Mums and Grannies going to bring about Peace, what about their extended familys on both sides, just all sitting down and chanting, you keep reaming as that would be a Nightmare for Thailand. Heil Peace.

Now let's see - 33 banks in Thailand. There are 16 Thai commercial and retail banks and 15 foreign banks, most of which have only one branch. That makes 31 commercial and retail banks in Thailand, some of which are tiny or only do very specialized business in the case of most of the foreign banks. That means the two other banks are probably fully state owned banks such as the Government Savings Bank and Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives that have already been approached. There is also the Government Housing Bank and Exim Bank, not to mention the SME Bank that is already techincally insolvent due to fraudulent lending.

All the private sector banks are subject to capital adequacy limits and most are also listed companies, either in Thailand or in their home countries in the case of the foreign branches. If they lend money under a questionable government guarantee that may be voided by a court later, that has implications for their capital adequacy ratios that could cost them money, not to mention the reputable risk of getting involved in the funding of a scheme that is being investigated for fraud.

I would say this is not going to be a slam dunk for Kittirat and I wonder why he would mention 33 banks, knowing the majority are too small to consider it, even if they wanted to, and that foreign banks can't get involved in political stuff like this. Good luck to him.

While I agree with you on premise, foreign banks have local risk thresholds and expected rates of return. They don't concern themselves with politics, only risk and return. As they are looking at MOF risk and as these are supposed to be short term loans, some may be interested.

Banks that under BOT auspices are required to pay for depositor insurance. Therefore, depositors are insured up to THB 50million per depositor per bank. Union heads have been fearful of their depositors money that are not under the BOT insurance program, which is apparently the case for the BAAC, GHB, GSB, and GPF.

Krung Thai Bank is a large government bank whose depositors are under the BOT insurance . Hence, there should be no issues from the unions about depositor risk, nor about MOF risk since it is owned by the government. Only KTB, as far as I understand, is government owned and their depositors have private depositor insurance. This aside, it will depend on their capital adequacy position, which is public knowledge, but I haven't looked at. If it rates well,the funds may well be available.

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Foreign banks don't want to get involved with political hot potatoes.

These can easily be blown up by activist groups that stalk AGMs in their home countries. So most avoid anything vaguely political.BAAC, GSB et al are not regulated by BOT. KTB is not wholly owned by government. It is public listed company with many minority shareholders. It has often been subjected to political pressure in the past but directors have same liability to all shareholders as other listed banks. I don't think KTB wants to go back to its dark age of being regarded as a piggy bank for corrupt politicians after so many years hard work improving its corporate governance ratings with local and foreign investors.

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Activist,another Name for a Doer. Stalking AGM,s at Home, how Preprosperous, how dare people complain.

Now let's see - 33 banks in Thailand. There are 16 Thai commercial and retail banks and 15 foreign banks, most of which have only one branch. That makes 31 commercial and retail banks in Thailand, some of which are tiny or only do very specialized business in the case of most of the foreign banks. That means the two other banks are probably fully state owned banks such as the Government Savings Bank and Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives that have already been approached. There is also the Government Housing Bank and Exim Bank, not to mention the SME Bank that is already techincally insolvent due to fraudulent lending.

All the private sector banks are subject to capital adequacy limits and most are also listed companies, either in Thailand or in their home countries in the case of the foreign branches. If they lend money under a questionable government guarantee that may be voided by a court later, that has implications for their capital adequacy ratios that could cost them money, not to mention the reputable risk of getting involved in the funding of a scheme that is being investigated for fraud.

I would say this is not going to be a slam dunk for Kittirat and I wonder why he would mention 33 banks, knowing the majority are too small to consider it, even if they wanted to, and that foreign banks can't get involved in political stuff like this. Good luck to him.

While I agree with you on premise, foreign banks have local risk thresholds and expected rates of return. They don't concern themselves with politics, only risk and return. As they are looking at MOF risk and as these are supposed to be short term loans, some may be interested.

Banks that under BOT auspices are required to pay for depositor insurance. Therefore, depositors are insured up to THB 50million per depositor per bank. Union heads have been fearful of their depositors money that are not under the BOT insurance program, which is apparently the case for the BAAC, GHB, GSB, and GPF.

Krung Thai Bank is a large government bank whose depositors are under the BOT insurance . Hence, there should be no issues from the unions about depositor risk, nor about MOF risk since it is owned by the government. Only KTB, as far as I understand, is government owned and their depositors have private depositor insurance. This aside, it will depend on their capital adequacy position, which is public knowledge, but I haven't looked at. If it rates well,the funds may well be available.

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Pretty sure BAAC is half owned by Thai Airforce, and the Government owning the other half.

The government has enough money. They just can't access it because the government is in "caretaker" mode due to the elections.

So, basically ..the farmers are not being paid thanks to Suthep.

So, basically you have it all wrong, the Rice scheme is a lie, the money allocated has disappeared into the Richest Pockets.The Government cannot finance large costs as they are in Caretaker mode. If you really really want to blame somebody, try the Finnace or Treasury Ministers or Thaksin,s Grannies.