Bandersnatch

Thanks for the post and congratulations on reading most of the 5,000+ posts The main posters all own EVs unfortunately the topic attracts the haters who feel that their opinions don’t need to be supported by facts. So things can get a little testy. Possibly the best approach is to simply block the trolls and ignore them. However this topic is supposed to be a resource for potential EV owners and it would be a shame if someone was put off by a poster who doesn’t drive an EV claiming that there aren’t enough chargers.

My reply to you included a citation that directly contradicted your premise

My MG came with 5 years of free data sim. The data covered the car use and the bundled free music service from True. I don’t know what the monthly data usage allowance is but in 3 years I have never exceeded it. Not sure about my BYD but J do know that OTAs are not included in the monthly allowance.

HEV v PHEVs It’s quite difficult to get information about the battery size in HEVs because they don’t want you know. Usually it’s only about 1kWh by comparison my EV has 85kWh gross. So you are driving an ICE car with a such a tiny battery that it’s going to have very little impact on economy they are in no way a “halfway house” to a full EV Battery life is described in terms of cycle life, how many times it can be completed charged and discharged. For my EV that is probably once a week, for a hybrid it can be several times in a single short journey. HEVs do not use batteries designed for long life like the LFP chemistry in my EV…. “Toyota has no immediate plans to drop its decades-long history of using NiMH (nickel-metal hydride) batteries, a stark contrast to other automakers solely offering electrified vehicles with lithium-ion batteries. “NiMH is reserved solely for our hybrid-electric vehicle applications,” https://www.mobilityengineeringtech.com/component/content/article/49256-sae-ma-07246

If you want to be taken seriously in this discussion you can’t just spout BS you need to post evidence to support your arguments H2 is a deception promoted by the fossil fuel industry and I can’t believe people are still falling for it. Thailand doesn’t have a single commercial H2 filling station or a H2 car you can buy. As for the rest of the world- tried it didn’t like it. “First Shell, now Motive, hydrogen fuel station closures continue in the UK The number of hydrogen refuelling stations in the UK has dwindled from 15 in 2021 to just 5 now” https://innovationorigins.com/en/first-shell-now-motive-hydrogen-fuel-station-closures-continue-in-the-uk/

Also now available in black with Dark interior

visual representation of data is always appreciated. I hope you keep it updated. The Dec’23 & Jan’24 figures have probably resulted in less EV sales in the early part of 2024. A bunch of us in this discussion, myself included, purchased EVs at the end of last year to beat lowering of the EV incentives.

For people looking for actual Factual info, please ignore the map posted above as these are not the fast charging stations in Thailand: Make sure you ignore the poster who doesn’t drive an EV so is not up to date with the latest developments in EV charging infrastructure in Thailand https://evat.or.th/images/evinfo/current-status/2024-03/EVAT-Charging-Station-December2023.pdf

OMG he’s back accusing everybody of lying again. Claiming to have driven a model 3 in BKK but several years, but Tesla only started selling in Thailand in December 2022.

Much appreciated. I agree that the Feb and March figures are disappointing, but do you really think we will see less than 3,822 EVs sold in April? If we do then I will admit that EVs have a problem. If EV sales in April 2024 exceed 3,822 will you admit your projection was wrong? We will have to wait and see

Reminder (Again): This is a discussion about EVs in Thailand. If you want to bash EVs in general save that for the EVs v ICE discussion If you don’t want to be mocked and ridiculed in this discussion then don’t post some random data that you are trying to pass off as Thailand data. Always post links so what you post can be fact checked, otherwise nobody will take anything you say seriously.

What a Muppet! He thinks Stellantis sales in Thailand increased 65% 😂

EV Registrations March

Or maybe something closer to home? Diesel prices have already started to creep over ฿30/L with Shell the first to raise prices.

So March was a bad month for all car sales in Thailand, but worse for ICE cars as the relentless growth of EVs here replace ICE cars.

I am sorry I don’t have an info on the financing for the Atto 3 but maybe @Pib our Atto 3 expert can help you. Here is the finance for the BYD Seal which is a more expensive car, but should give you some idea. It’s not a lease but finance purchase for less than ฿20k per month.

I also bought a Deco the Hannah model after the Government EV incentive kicked in dropping the price from ฿50k to ฿30k. We charge it and 2 EVs from solar - the house is off-grid with no electric meter. The battery is removable and they sell the battery separately if you want a spare.

Andrew's post above gave you the figures. He has the long range premium and I have the performance - a car that is very difficult to drive sedately. The roads where I live in Surin are mostly dual carriageway (4 lane) so I can use the acceleration to pass slow moving traffic in the fast lane. The traffic in Pattaya on the other hand.....

Electric or Diesel SUV which one has more Luxury for the money?

It would be helpful to know where you are located, if you are retired and what your monthly milage is. My EV has 580km of range which equivalent to 83km/day range if you charged once a week. My local Robinson here in Surin NE Thailand has 4 chargers and cheap rates at weekends. If I were you I would combine my charging with other activities like meeting friends for coffee. I can add 7km of range per kWh and can charge at 150kW/hour. So I can add 350km of range in 20 minutes.

This statement of yours make makes me question whether you have ever driven an EV. Anyone who had actually driven an EV will know that the slowest AC Wall charger is 7kW. They don't make 3-5kW CCS type 2 wall chargers. That is why there are none listed on PlugShare. Yet you claim that they are the majority of chargers! Lie confirmed Now let's hear more about this Tesla model 3 that you drove in BKK for several years. How much did you pay for it and where did you buy it? Because this is sounding like a lie as well.

Stupid people shouldn’t try anything too complicated like driving an EV or posting in an EV discussion when they have no knowledge or experience of EVs as they just end up humiliating themselves.

I don’t like my EV I love being able to charge it at home for free from excess solar power I love that it comes with over 6 Tesla powerwalls of backup power for my house which means I don’t need PEA anymore I love the instant torque I love the 0-100km/h in 3.8 seconds without spinning my wheels I love that it has perfect 50:50 weight distribution I love that it has an incredible low centre of gravity and goes round corners like it’s on rails I love the drag coefficient of just 0.219 Cd which is better than a Porsche Taycan I love the regenerative breaking and not having to use the brake pedal I love the adaptive suspension I love that the battery pack is a structural component, increasing torsional stiffness and so increasing handling limits I love the Torque vectoring which sends power to which wheel needs it most I love that it only has one gear I love that it has a very long wheel base I love that it is so silent to drive for me and other road users I love that I am not poisoning the pedestrians and motorbike riders around me when I drive or sit at the traffic lights I love that it has a front storage compartment where the engine would be in an ICE car I love being able to switch on the aircon while I’m still in the restaurant I love being able to do “Find My Car” because the car has a 5G chip I love the 8 year warranty for the car and battery I love 8 year completely free servicing and breakdown recovery I love the way it looks