Bandersnatch

You claim to post “fair and balanced” yet you call EV owners an “EV Cult” what a hypocrite

The cult of the well informed, you should consider joining 😎 The future of passenger vehicles is electric with many countries planning to phase out ICE vehicles. Legacy auto manufacturers like the Japanese who have been slow to adapt to this trend and will have an uncertain future. S&P cuts Nissan credit rating to junk status https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/sp-cuts-nissan-credit-rating-junk-status-2023-03-07/

I will admit to not recommending a Nissan Leaf and not owning one. The Leaf was first sold in Thailand in 2018 with a small 40 kWh battery and no active cooling (not good for a tropical country) a CHAdeMO connector which is not commonly supported and a ฿2m price tag. I never commented on it’s driving characteristics as I have never driven one. Even after Nissan knocked over ฿1m off the price of the Leaf it still didn’t sell well in Thailand. The following year the Chinese company MG launched the MG ZS EV with a 44 kWh battery with active cooling, a regular CCS charging connector and a ฿1.3m price tag. I put down a deposit on one.

Plenty of posters with no experience of Chinese EVs, yet they are more than happy to advise you based on their extensive ignorance. "I know nothing about Chinese EVs but I can tell you the range of an Isuzu MUX if that's helpful" (paraphrased)

I own 2 Chinese made EVs the first one I purchased 3 years ago and would never go back to an ICE car. Never had any problems. 8 Years warranty on the car and battery @Maybole I would you suggest ignore the “EV experts” who have never actually owned one, everything that claim to know is secondhand at best. The EVs in Thailand discussion has lots of news and real world experiences from EV owners in Thailand. https://aseannow.com/topic/1257405-electric-vehicles-in-thailand

Excellent article that actually referenced the article from the earlier post (now removed) They said that if the press release by Emissions Analytics was correct "tyres would be bald in less than 1,358 miles, or two months’ worth of driving for the average UK driver"

This is my 4th car with Apple CarPlay, in fact I moved from android to apple purely because Android Auto wasn't supported in Thailand at the time. In the Seal I plug in the phone which sits on the drivers wireless charging pad (wireless charging disabled) and select the Apple CarPlay App - I don't get a notification now, but I seem to remember getting notifications a couple of months ago.

More on EV sales data

Latest rumors that Tesla is in talks to build a factory in Thailand - again. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/05/business/thailand-tesla-factory-talks-intl-hnk

If you want an MG wallbox to work with the MG app, it will cost you more than ฿20k. You forgot about the installation which is included, but I suppose you could manage that yourself with ฿20 worth of bell wire.

Before we accuse anyone of "looking rather foolish" let's check if the poster has checked his facts before posting. Back in September 2023 I posted that the MG4 D was selling for ฿ึ769k So what is the new price? ฿ึ669k without a wall box. So we have a ฿ึ70k saving but you have to buy and install your own wallbox. So who is "looking rather foolish now"

I extrapolated the discussion about cost of gasoline to include all costs associated with purchase and ownership of a vehicle. Most people claim that all E-Vehicles are more expensive to purchase, so I chose a similarly spec’d ICE SUV to compare it with.

An MG HS PHEV is a little bigger than a Honda CRV and quite a bit cheaper. You might claim that the a Honda CRV will depreciate less so has a lower total cost of ownership. In the real world after 7 or 8 years all cars in Thailand are worth practically nothing. I have a friend who changes his CRV every 7 years, last time he got ฿400k for it. Before you say that it’s unfair to compare a Honda CRV 7.9 sec 0-100 to a MG HS PHEV 6.9 sec 0-100, I would agree with you. An MG HS PHEV has 70km of full EV mode, which is less than most people drive every day. 16.6kW @ ฿2.6 Per kWh (TOU) = ฿43 Per day An MG HS PHEV comes with completely free servicing (including labour) for 5 years after that it’s only the non EV parts of the car that require servicing, they never touch the battery; inverter or charging system (no moving parts) You didn’t bother to provide any evidence for your calculation. The main criticism of EVs is the cost to produce the battery, but the MG HS PHEV can be driven as an EV 90% of the time and yet has a tiny battery and so has a much smaller initial carbon debt that will paid off in a matter of months. “electric cars start with a carbon disadvantage, sometimes described as a “carbon debt”. However, that ‘carbon debt’ is paid off within about two years of driving the vehicle.” https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/23/do-electric-cars-really-produce-fewer-carbon-emissions-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

Interesting video comparing the BYD Seal AWD at £34k here in Thailand and BMW i4 eDrive35 at £86k in Thailand.

Just for comparison. I own 2 cars and a motorbike, they are each used just about every day Amount spent on fuel for all the vehicles over the last 4 month ฿0 It doesn’t matter how fast I drive the vehicles the cost per km doesn’t change Do I spend hours filling in spreadsheets to record my driving efficiency - no

The MG Maxus 9 stand was swamped at the motor show. Nobody at Kia ICE Mini Van display, so I couldn't resist asking "Rot Fai Far Mai Kap?" (Electric?) Then looking disappointed and walking away.

America is very slow to adopt EVs, even Thailand has a faster rate of adoption, so I would look to the US for expertise on EVs. A country like Norway which has 90% EV sales isn’t stupid enough to put water on an electrical fire. Norwegian company Bridgehill demonstrates using a fire blanket to control an EV fire.

The BYD Seal was one of the finalists of the car of the year award held at the Geneva Motor Show. I am sure the many Seal owners in this forum believed that the Seal deserved to win. The winner has just been announced… It’s a Renault mini van 🤔

EV sales are expanding at such a fast rate in Thailand that it's easier to talk about monthly changes rather than annual increases. Sales of EVs in Thailand in 2023 increased by 684% In December 2023 EVs in Thailand represented 25% of total vehicle registrations

And this doesn't look dangerous to you?

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

I guess you are not following the EV and solar discussions on AN as you would know many EV owners here have solar and many solar owners are considering EVs. In my case I have 2 EVs and an electric motorbike and I don't have a grid connection at all. One in three Australian households now generate electricity domestically. In South Australia the proportion is nearly 50%. This trend is happening all around the world. Those who don't charge their EVs from their own produced electricity tend to charge when it's cheaper due to excess supply at night. Did you you know you can get a TOU meter here in Thailand and get half price electricity at night? Cleary not. Why is it that all the EV haters crying about electricity use by EVs never mention how much more is used in crypto mining and increasingly by AI https://news.sky.com/story/bitcoin-mining-consumes-more-electricity-than-most-countries-study-suggests-12991456

Having spent several years on a building committee I know that buildings get many requests to spend the very limited condo fees. The best way to make a request is to make a suggestion that makes the condo money such as power outlets that are accessed via RFID card that you purchase from the condo. Power is sold at a premium over what the condo pays to buy it. As pointed out above the limited number of parking spaces in most condos make such a system difficult to get started, but such system do exist in condos around the world.

Neta V has a price reduction

My neighbour has a visitor from the uk who is “not interested in EVs” He admits that he knows nothing about them. I was invited to take them for a coffee in my BYD Seal AWD Performance. His first reaction what the shape of the car. He had never seen one before or even heard of BYD and was quite taken with it. “Looks like a Porche Taycan” Inside the complements continued. “Very luxurious” as he stroked the alcantara. I asked BYD to navigate to the coffee shop and as navigation came up switched the screen to portrait mode from the steering wheel. “Very cool” My neighbour suggested we try the launch mode. I put front camera on the main screen and launch timer on the driver’s display. He was shocked by the performance. The rest of the drive was on a four lane road (Dual carriage way) as I nipped in between the slow moving traffic like they were standing still. Over coffee he admitted that he hadn’t any idea just how far EVs had come and would seriously consider a BYD Seal as his next car.