Bandersnatch

On 10/20/2023 at 9:55 AM, Bandersnatch said:

Honda  e:Ny1 (Stupid Name) (Lowercase e colon Capital N Lowercase y) much like the Toyota bZ4X (Lowercase b Capital Z Capital X)

£44,100 (฿1,948,925)  to £47,195 (฿2,085,452) Actual price in Thailand not yet released

Based on the HRV platform 

No Durian storage (Frunk) 

78kW charging 🤣

0-62 mph: 7.6 seconds

62kWh Lithium-ion Battery usable

 

Honda WTF Were You Thinking?! - great title to the video

 

 

@josephbloggs This my thoughts 

15 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

you could get an electrician to run cable from a small consumer unit via a breaker to the post where the meter will be installed and PEA will attach it to their meter

@Andrew Dwyer 

Have you checked with your local PEA office that they will allow you to have a second meter as a TOU? 
 

41 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

1) What does BYD supply ( I suspect charger and 40A breaker only ).

MG supplied just the wall charger. The installer supplied the breaker box and cables back to my closest consumer unit in my mech room

41 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

2) What do the BYD installation crew actually install as I have read for a nominal fee (9k) they complete installation ??, also installation can be outsourced for around 20k ?

Usually 15m of cable back to a source of electricity consumer unit for me - TOU meter for you. You pay extra for longer cable or different spec. The installer will come and do a site survey before the installation 

41 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

3) When charger installation finished and PEA return to fit TOU meter do they make the cabling from meter to distribution box or should that be readily available from charger install.

( seen 15m cable is free and any longer is charged but don’t know who’s responsibility this falls under )

You are responsible for cable from the meter to the house. Maybe the BYD installer could do it or you could get an electrician to run cable from a small consumer unit via a breaker to the post where the meter will be installed and PEA will attach it to their meter.

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I saw a new Bz4x in Chiang Mai yesterday, I can’t imagine anyone buying that either.

 

(I think that’s what they call it)

You did that on purpose.  you know it’s called the bZ4X 

Toyota get very upset when you get the name wrong 

30 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

That price looks absolutely ludicrous now (actually it always did).

You’re not wrong there 

20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Is the Leaf still available?

apparently so

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I hope you tell him to shop around, MGs, BYDs, GWM ... as the Leaf would be the last EV I'd consider.

Good point the CHAdeMO charging standard is not long for this world.

28 minutes ago, matchar said:

How does it compare to your MG 4? Considering it's what, nearly twice the price?

I’ve test driven both and my opinion of the MG 4 is that it’s a great little family hatchback. A little slow off the line, but fine once it’s going. It’s practical and great value for money.

So why did I order a Seal Premium at twice the price, because it feels like twice the car. It is luxurious and polished and a joy to drive. If you want a car that gets the job done competently, then go for the MG4, but if you want a car that brings a smile to your face every time you drive it, then buy a Seal.

"EVs don't work for people who live in apartment buildings - how are they going to charge?" 

You will certainly have seen statements like this, but it's nice to see the that condos in Thailand are now being built with EV charging built in.

11 hours ago, mistral53 said:

 

I picked-up my performance model on October 3. 579 km driven so far, tomorrow will be the first trip to BKK - we will see which side he consumption surprise will fall.

 

Some day soon I will make a little write up on to good, the bad and the ugly of Seal ownership - suffice to say I have no regrets, but there are as always some disappointments.

Did you find a sun blind for the glass roof? My sales girl said it's included.

11 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

yes but I understand you can choose 1 from 6 insurance companies ?

Didn’t know that

1 minute ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

which is the best insurance to go with

First year is free 

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Then it appeared, BYD Seal Premium with a 650 km ( realistically 550 ? ) range , when I saw it i knew it was the car for me, can’t fault it on any level, beautiful design and a great price.

Just waiting now on delivery, quoted around 40 days.

Didn't know you'd ordered a Seal Premium - did I miss the announcement? or was that it?

Congratulations. What did you think of the test drive? What colour did you order?

1 hour ago, VincentRJ said:

I am not convinced that reducing CO2 emission will have any net benefit for the environment. CO2 is the 'gas of life' and the increased quantities in the atmosphere, due to human emissions, have helped to green the planet and increase crop production. In general, warmer climates are better than colder climates, for humanity to flourish, provided there is a sufficient supply of water.

Without the CO2 driven greenhouse effect this planet would be a lifeless ball of ice.

"warmer climates are better than colder climates"

but you can have too much of a good thing 40 ° C in the UK like we had this year is a challenge with houses designed temperate conditions. What will Thailand be like when 50 ° C is the norm?

US sets new record for billion-dollar climate disasters in single year

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/11/us-record-billion-dollar-climate-disasters

Just now, Henryford said:

Bandersnatch - those photos of cars charging on the street are a joke. In London those cables would be stolen the first night.

Can't talk for all EVs but for mine the charging port locks during charging. 

17 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Also has anyone considered the following:

2. The batteries require rare earth materials for their production. Maybe no one has heard but they are called "rare" for a reason.

Gave up waiting for you to support this statement.

They were used in the nickel-metal hydride batteries used by early hybrids, but rare earths are not used in lithium ion batteries.

'rare-earth' is a misnomer because they are not actually scarce, although historically it took a long time to isolate these elements.

rare-earth elements are technically relatively plentiful in the entire Earth's crust (cerium being the 25th-most-abundant element at 68 parts per million, more abundant than copper

Ce and La are important as catalysts, and are used for petroleum refining and as diesel additives

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_element

The moral here is to check what you write before you write it or get called out on it. 

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Impressive numbers. What kind of car is it? 

BYD Seal Premium (LR RWD)

5 minutes ago, Melpomene said:

 

Yeah they haven't really taken off in the way I thought they would've done to be honest.  I think the price is ok, particularly after the recent cuts, although maybe I'm just comparing them to the UK as they're about 15% cheaper.

 

I'm more concerned about the lack of service centres, I suppose you'd be gambling on them opening more sites and getting more trained technicians in over the next year or two.  There's a number of tales on the Thai forums of long queues to get issues looked at.  I'm also a bit wary of range compared to the Seal.  I want the LFP battery, so the only M3 option is the RWD which is just 513kms.  So you're paying 150-200k more depending on colour for a slower car with less range.  Then if you're looking at the MY it's only 455kms which I think really is too low.

I ordered the Seal Premium LR RWD. Like you I wanted LFP but I also wanted V2L, which I was hoping would appear in the Highland Model 3. When it didn’t my mind was made up. 
 

My wife thinks the lack of indicator stalks and drive selector on the screen is a dealbreaker.  

1 hour ago, EdrigoSalvadore said:

Check how the electricity in Thailand is produced... From gas and coal (85% in 2022). Pointless to have electric vehicles as long as that's the case.

You do realize that ICE vehicles are responsible for much of the pollution in our cities. 
 

Bangkok was ranked as the world’s 10th-most polluted city on Friday, according to IQAir, a Swiss-based air quality technology company, the recent spike in pollution, even before the peak of the burning season.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-09/thailand-targets-30-electric-car-production-to-tackle-pollution

7 hours ago, Melpomene said:

I don't think I've seen anyone on this discussion who owns one in Thailand, but if there is it would be good to get some first hand views of living with one in Thailand.

I for one was very excited when Tesla announced they were going to be selling EVs in Thailand. I was shocked at the price they chose to sell them at  - nearly 40% more than in other RHD markets like Australia. Tesla has been cutting prices around the world in the run up the the Highland Model 3 launch, but not in Thailand. In 12 months they didn't cut prices once and then only days after the dramatic sales figures for the BYD Seal.

As I have posted above. Tesla Charging is available in Korat, Pattaya and BKK. They have been put to shame by MG and BYD that have rolled out showrooms each with DC and AC charging.

The sales figures speak for themselves:

On 10/21/2023 at 9:05 PM, Pib said: