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Thanks for the laugh, "Scotland is well known for financial astuteness" Pity it didn't apply to the last two Chancellors of the Exchequer in the Labour lead government. Then of course we could continue on discussing the Bank of Scotland who were Taken Over by the Halifax Building Society in 2001, you will recall that Alex Salmonds then like a little child put pressure on the Scottish lead Labour government to insist that the headquarters of the new HBOS would be situated in Edinburgh, leading again to an example of Scottish financial astuteness for which the whole of the UK population is still paying, in addition to the loss of many jobs in Halifax, an area already suffering high unemployment to a more prosperous area. Hopefully these jobs will be returned to the rest of the UK in 2016 along with tens of thousands of others.
Then of course we have the Royal Bank of Scotland who after merging with the larger English Natwest bank strangely saw it's headquarters moved to Edinburgh, again at the cost of many jobs in the rest of the UK. This lead to more astute Scottish management, which in turn resulted in the British Government ( the Tax payer) having to take a very large stake in the bank,facilitated with the agreement of the then Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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RBoS at the time of their demise was lead by Lawrence Fish, chairman, an American national.
and Bank of Scotland lead by Andy Hornby an English businessman,
Andy Hornsby was but one member of the board, who were the others, I'll start you off. Chairman of the board Lord Stevenson, born and raised in Edinburgh as were the majority of the others.
No mention by you of the thousands of jobs moved from a high unemployment area in England to a prosperous area in Scotland. Can you imagine the uproar if it had been the other way round. And still this pandering continues, just ask the shipyard workers in Portsmouth.
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keep on your Scot bashing,,you have been doing it for over 50 years,,,,Ask them what they thought about independence you wouldnt get a short answer to that....After all sunny boy we all still are Uk citizens arent we not...Well 29000 jobs lost on the clyde since 79 is a good place to start How many jobs lost in portsmouth
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Seems we are getting back to the oil thing again...........
Sorry, a flaw of mine, but when I see deliberate distortions of the truth that are designed to damage the cause of independence , I feel compelled to retort.
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Yet you seem happy to accept distortions of the truth which are designed to support the cause of independence.
Of which there have been many examples here.
Double standards?
The truth by the better together which 7 by 7 accepts as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth as in the first part of this link
Again the hospital itself said that the advert was not true,,but still 7 by 7 wants us to believe that there is a UK NHS. Remember the advert was aimed at cancer patients and children better together aye righthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JijOqL8jVds
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Seems we are getting back to the oil thing again...........
Sorry, a flaw of mine, but when I see deliberate distortions of the truth that are designed to damage the cause of independence , I feel compelled to retort.
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Yet you seem happy to accept distortions of the truth which are designed to support the cause of independence.
Of which there have been many examples here.
Double standards?
i do believe that the people who actually live,or have lived in Scotland have a better grasp of the Truth as you say it than yourself,,who at best is a passing tourist.
.A Scottish Unionist is a very different breed to an English ,Welsh or Irish Unionist for that matter,,though they are all in bed together as we speak.
After all England will be a much better together region without Scotland,,why are you so frightened,,,,you can always use your better together to create inequality in the North of the region named England,,,oops you are already doing that...and i thought it was a UK,,oh well you can always use your better together to create inequality in Wales...though maybe that is a part of England i am not sure....Truth from the papers..the newspapers or the politicians and you want an intelligent debate?....And i thought Scotland had modeled its Utopian idea on sussex,, must be true then,,,no food banks down there then,,,no welfare benefits cheats oh no,,, no tax evasion corporate leaders,,,well steady on old chap no need to be flippant,,we are better together at somethings are we,,,,,,smokescreen action
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There has never been a Uk NHS.
Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service
. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's
. So no UK NHS ever
In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.
That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.
This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.
The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.
There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.
In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.
Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?
Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?
If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?
If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?
Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!
As previously stated i worked in the NHS and still have family members working in both NHS ENGLAND and NHS SCOTLAND so there you have it clear enough.No link needed.
NHS Scotland patients PAY LIKE Any One ELSE WHEN THEY GET TREATMENT IN ENGLAND..OR do you want them to be treated differently and NOT PAY.
If your desire is for Scottish patients to have to pay a higher price than other nationalities,then take it up with your representatives on the South of England..I am sure more than a few would welcome that.
Now a spokesperson for The great Ormond already made that clear...So go argue with them if you want an impartial non bias answer if you believe, and you do that everything or the majority of things i write and other supporters of independence are gullible and bias..
That was also confirmed by a specialist in the NHS Scotland go ask him.... links where provided for both on the video containing the subject matter
Can you also do us a big big favor by posting your believes on the numerous forums in Scotland....You certainly would turn a lot of undecided voters onto the yes side by your tone and neutral attitude ...
Its not the yes side who has their backs to the wall
At the moment Scottish residents, being also UK residents, do not pay for NHS treatment in another part of the UK. Except, of course, through their taxes just like the rest of us.
If you bothered to read the CAB link I provided earlier you would have seen that the same is not true of non UK residents; even if they are British citizens.
I have never said that residents of an independent Scotland should pay a higher price than other non UK residents.
What I am saying is that they should be treated in exactly the same way as other non UK residents.
Surely you are aware that even EU citizens with an EHIC card cannot come to the UK specifically for medical treatment on the NHS. The card only covers emergency treatment whilst they are here; as it does for UK citizens travelling in other EU states.
Why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently to all other non UK residents?
It is obvious that this is yet another area where the Scottish independence lobby want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, whilst shedding all the responsibilities!
There is no benefit to Scotland at all,,as the NHS Scotland is independent and regarding the NHS will continue to be so, what ever the vote.
Easy enough to understand.
Scotland and its residents are not treated in anyway differently with regards to the NHS..If patients have to use a specialists department in England,,it is paid for,,not buy UK taxes,,but Scotland NHS.
The No campaign wanted to further that distortion of facts in their video and where found out very quickly,,
But possibly you are subscribing to the fact that of course we are better together, but if not ,the most vulnerable people that is A and e , we will leave them dying where they fall,,such compassionate bed fellows we have .After all we do have a template for that happening today already..
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I see we have had more posts alleging lies from the No side; but have as yet had no comments from the pro independence lobby here on the proven lies about the finances of an independent Scotland which came to light via leaked documents from the SNP!
YES exactly THE LEAKED DOCUMENTS FROM THE SNP More than one way how to smoke a fox out...Seemed to have worked.A bit too deep for some people.
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you will notice that a region containing approximately only 10% of the population, provided a much larger % of those who have governed us. nontebury
Haha these anti scots just cant help themselves...Aye i certainly can also give you plenty of examples of anti scottishness going back 50 years
its only nontebury who is bleating on about how hard done by the Uk has been by Scotsmen,,calling the kettle black me thinks....
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There has never been a Uk NHS.
Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service
. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's
. So no UK NHS ever
In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.
That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.
This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.
The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.
There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.
In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.
Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?
Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?
If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?
If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?
Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!
As previously stated i worked in the NHS and still have family members working in both NHS ENGLAND and NHS SCOTLAND so there you have it clear enough.No link needed.
NHS Scotland patients PAY LIKE Any One ELSE WHEN THEY GET TREATMENT IN ENGLAND..OR do you want them to be treated differently and NOT PAY.
If your desire is for Scottish patients to have to pay a higher price than other nationalities,then take it up with your representatives on the South of England..I am sure more than a few would welcome that.
Now a spokesperson for The great Ormond already made that clear...So go argue with them if you want an impartial non bias answer if you believe, and you do that everything or the majority of things i write and other supporters of independence are gullible and bias..
That was also confirmed by a specialist in the NHS Scotland go ask him.... links where provided for both on the video containing the subject matter
Can you also do us a big big favor by posting your believes on the numerous forums in Scotland....You certainly would turn a lot of undecided voters onto the yes side by your tone and neutral attitude ...
Its not the yes side who has their backs to the wall
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The sun grows all my fruit ,,sun and water alone...if anyone interested
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Better together just dont tell them
West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD-
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204308546093206&set=gm.633362370087959&type=1
aye the irony a DIY company saying Scotland can no DIY lords and ?
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Demonstration outside BBC news and yes they have censored the news ..no reporting of it at all .
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Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?
He has a love of Scotland and he alone can only inform the people of Scotland of the disadvantages of a yes vote...He has mentioned that there are advantages but as such he has not provided any to the uninformed..
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In response to a poster who insists there is a UK NHS and of course for others who do not know that THERE IS NOT A UK NHS
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http://baffiebox.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/vote-no-borders-astroturfing-the-evidence/
You've got your work cut out. I know a few Poles, africans, etc, scattered around the highlands and west coast. They're having such a wonderful life that they probably can't be bothered with voting
well give them the old Scottish hospitality and engage with them..dinnae live in the world of fear that has been since Thatcher ism where people are scared to say hello.and ask whats cooking haha...Has the church no said it would be against god and the universe or something along that lines and many Africans as we know are more christian than the white folks...
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http://baffiebox.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/vote-no-borders-astroturfing-the-evidence/ of course the no borders mob are grass root,,of course we all have 7000 quid to donate oops might do it again 10 mins later in these times of austerity
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The logistics of proving who was eligible to vote from the diaspora was the telling factor. It would have required validation of millions of applications to vote from across the world. I agree with Salmond that it would have been an impossible task.
Anyone wishing to qualify to vote had plenty of time to return and register. Of all the arguments in this referendum, the pitiful wailing of Scots that couldn't be bothered relocating to their homeland is the most absurd.
On the subject of voting rights, who on this thread has the right to vote?
I do...and I will be in Scotland on the day to cast my YES vote.
Me too and if you need help in the edimbra area let me know
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There has never been a Uk NHS.
Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service
. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's
. So no UK NHS ever
In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.
That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.
This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.
The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.
In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.
Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?
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can confirm that you were hoisted by your own petard, but I shall leave the petty attempts at point scoring your good, Pavlovian self. by ruam
Has to be the quote of the topic
Well said
such a humble intelligent fellow you are,,Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your input into the topic
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This topic started out as an intelligent debate between supporters of Scottish independence and supporters of the Union.
Unfortunately it has now been hijacked by a triumvirate who are not interested in debate but simply want to pat each other on the back when they post their, often factually inaccurate, links and rubbish and insult those who do not agree with them and post facts with which they cannot contend.
(Edit; the above post, made whilst I was typing this one, is a prime example.)
I will continue to dip in from time to time and may even post occasionally; but see no point in regularly contributing while this attitude continues.
Enjoy your mutual appreciation society, boys.
you wont be missed and your wife will be happy....enjoy the sunshine in sussex
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Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes
in World News
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The major player of the yes campaign are the people who can vote ,,You keep on wanting to draw attention to Salmond who as a politician could wipe the floor with anyone,,but like everyone on the yes side knows it is not about salmond intelligent debate is that your marker?