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JoeLing
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I think Oscar Wilde said something like - the tragedy of old age is not that one is old, but that one is young.
Just as a teenager doesn't really long for his toys from when he was 6 yrs old - - at an older age, you will not likely long for the "toys" of your more youthful 50… if you do long for them, you will still be playing with them, just maybe slower, more thoughtfully and appreicatively.
Hmmm, I still prefer to play with Meccano and Lego instead of cutting the lawn.
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How comes everyone is growing older?
What am I doing wrong?
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You want to increase tourists you need to instill confidence. There are too many Thai low life's on the streets scamming, assaulting, robbing, raping and murdering tourists. I would like to see a mandatory one year jail time to any Thai who assaults a farang. The current 500 baht fine just don't build confidence that the government cares about the safety of it's tourists. Let the world know you are serious about crime and things are changing .... But do it and just don't say it !
What a stupid idea and bordering on being racist. So they should have a minimum of one-year jail for assaulting a white person, but what about assaulting other people? Are you saying that white people are better and need more protection? And what about a farang assaulting a Thai? Surely the same sentencing should apply to everyone. Also, your post is a more than a little hysterical. I suggest you stay away.
Bordering on being racist?
Just asked my Thai friends about racism.
They don't see anything wrong with it.
So, what's your problem?
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As an old proverb says:
Fish rot from the head down
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This farcical murder investigation circus act gets worse by the day. No matter what anyone here in TV has to say' Police in civilised countries never purposely look for scapegoats, especially in something as heinous as these 2 poor Brits on holiday.
This just goes to show how far Thais will go to sacrifice anything or everything to keep up the tourist ratings. It defies logical thinking for us everyday normal Farangs who see this as a mockery and an insult to our fellow citizens around the Globe seen as easy walking talking ATM. machines.with endless cash and should therefore be privileged to part with every penny to the Thai coffers.....
Sorry but should that not have been:
Thais will go to sacrifice anything or everything to keep tourist away?
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He decided to tell this story to others since the police planned to interrogate him again on Tuesday and
he feared to be beaten up again. He added that he does not plan to pursue case against the police, but
wants to assert his innocence
No pictures with bruises I suspect?
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Not sure about that...
But karma will definitly prevail.
The truth shall out!!!
R.I.P Hannah and David
Justice shall pevail
Karma?
Do good and you will be abused.
Do bad and you get a new Ferrari.
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If tourists entering Thailand and get a wristband they will understand fully that they are entering a dangerous country with considerable likelihood to be murdered. But they can rest assured, the wristband will help to identify their dead body - of course it annot protect against murderers, so they understand the priorities in this countrie.
BTW My house is for sale
I'm pretty much interested in your house but will wait until the Education Minister
and the Minister of Social Development and Human Security has spoken.
By then, you'll give away your house for free.
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What about [purely, utterly hypothetically]:
The police offered him to be a "false" witness for 500'000 THB
He runs to the "The Other Man" telling him the police offered him 700'000 THB
Some negotiations behind closed doors and now the media get's involved.
Sure that must have been worth more than the 700'000 THB.
Now let's see over the next few days/weeks, how the prices go up -
One cannot praise this guy enough. Despite a tidy sum having been skimmed off the top of the reward money, he
had the decency to refuse the still large sum of money offered to him in disgraceful disrespect of the law and
all victims in this case. Now it might be right for him to be given safe passage out of the country and
sufficient funds to have a good life elsewhere. Surely the Thai government can do this in thanks for his
thoughtfulness.
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I'm almost certain that they didn't share a cigarette as such. It must've been loaded with some sort of highly potent drug. Only in that case sharing make sense. It's highly unusual for men to share cigarettes. (unless they are gay).
To be honest, that guy in the video, looks more like Burmese than Thai. Not defending Thais here but the Burmese are capable of such wicked crimes. For many of them rape is a normal act. I'm not joking. Read it for yourself.
License to rape: How Burma’s military employs systematic sexualized violence
And, in which century, on which planet were you born?
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He went to the kanman for protection???? Is this t he same on who offered 1Mio Baht as a reward for getting his family off?
and police offered only 700.000
He (the village headman) offered 1 million baht if someone can prove him or anyone is his family to be guilty, NOT innocent. People seem to have this all backwards.
So, if someone can prove that his son is guilty, in this case, he will pay 1 million baht. If someone proves his son is innocent, no money will change hands.
Nevertheless, offering the police 1 million baht to prove one is guilty seems very "thai", overconfident, and suspicious.....
Could it be possible that would be, let's say something around 700'000 baht?
Framing someone must sure cost a bit more than being a witness to innocence?
Anyone an Idea where to find that "Price Pist"?
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Bravo Khun Pornprasit!! You are a very brave man to speak the truth in this kingdom of lies!!
So, in this "Kingdom of Lies" you honestly believe anyone is telling the truth?
Realy wonder now, who promised to pay him to say what?
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Hmmm, maybe, just maybe the police is getting close to something?
Time to discredit them? Not that there would be much credit to give
them in the first place but ....
Now calling in the army as some suggest, are people really so naive
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I can see the advertisements now:
Come to Thailand, the land of ASBO'S.
Land of ASBO'S?
I'm sure you meant HUB of ASBO's?
Wait - aren't we that already?
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I thought that rule was already in place between Thailand and Cambodia?
Just found it:
Posted 2012-12-26 12:11:49
Thai-Cambodian single visa to commence Thursday
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/607595-thai-cambodian-single-visa-to-commence-thursday/
Maybe TAT just woke up from hibernation?
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I thought that rule was already in place between Thailand and Cambodia?
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Maybe on the next Tourist Advert, TAT could put a warning, like on the cigaret packets,
tell people to check before they travel? A big sign about the "Do's and Don't" ?Trip Advisor, Lonely Planet, Le Routard, Loose, etc.... are full of stories from people
who had bad experiences, not just in Thailand. So why not take advice from others?
Scaremongering? Not cool? Can't happen to me?Wish travellers, tourists would take their governments Travel advisories more serious,
or at least, just have a quick read before they travel and use the same common sense
as they would at home. Quite a lot of problems could be avoided and not just here in
Thailand.Australia has even special advice sections for women travellers and party revellers.
Check:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/safety-and-security
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/thailand.html
http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/thailand
http://travel.gc.ca/travelling/publications/her-own-way
http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/de/home/travad/hidden/hidde2/thaila.html
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/DE/Laenderinformationen/00-SiHi/ThailandSicherheit.html
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So by enabling them to stay and thus get raped daily, they suffer less?
Let me give that some thought, and I'll get back to you ….
I suppose, they accept their personal suffering for the benefit of the families they support back in Myanmar.
No different than many of the other Burmese workers working on farms, building sites and fishing boats
who have a pretty rough deal here in Thailand and all to support and feed their poor families back home.
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People thinking that tourism will go down in the island because this crime are dreaming...That only will happen if all the "attraction" for young people is vanished, like nigh dance bars and disco. Young people do not care about danger..or better...do not think about the consequences of their dangerous behavior. What it is important is to stop the drug dealings in those places, because many times young women are druged without concent trough the non bottled drinks. It is happening in EVERY young tourist spot in the world, and from long time now. If Thailand still cheap for backpackers, they will come. If backpackers and young tourists are important source of income for the islanders business, they will try to keep the status quo and the young's night life. If mature and family tourism can replace the spending loss, a change of environment may happen.
Anyway...More police and security installation, like more lighting and control, may be enough to restrain some people to commit crimes.
Although I do rely entirely on tourism and would suffer badly (at least for a while but I’d survive), I sure would support a stop to the parties on Koh Phangan and Koh Tao. I’m convinced that would make local families clean up their Islands from a lot of trash. I feel a warning shot would make some of the “big” local families think twice how to control themselves, their offspring and their community, make them realize, they don’t control the world.
With those infamous parties gone, we might eventually even get "real" tourists back again, people who come to relax and enjoy the beauty of this islands and not just people rushing from one party ghetto to the next, without a clue about the country, the culture and customs and getting ripped off wherever they go.
When I first settled here the islands, there was only a hand full of foreigners living here and I do not recall any problems ever with any local people, contrary, the few hundred Island people where the friendliest, most accommodating and generous people I ever met. We were invited to weddings, funerals, festivals, played football on the beach and often sat with half the island getting drunk, singing, joking [mostly taking the piss out of me] or watching fuzzy football at the one and only B/W TV on the Island. Back then, I never experienced any xenophobia or hostilities from the locals here on the islands, contrary. You could sleep with you doors and windows wide open and apart from dogs, no one would ever enter your home without your consent.
The whole s##t only started after the “Full Moon Party”. Hadrin used to be the only place accessible at the time to see the moon rising out of the sea. Just a “coincidental gathering” of some farang and Thais on a tropical beach, watching the full moon rise out of the sea having fun together. There was no electricity on the Island apart from for a couple of hours a day in Tongsala and those gatherings, did not upset or offended anyone here on the island.
Then more and more people started to come over on Longtail boats to party. With Koh Samui Airport being build at about the same time, even more tourists arrived. With it came bungalows, generators, loud music, heavy drugs, prostitution and crime. As Hadrin was easy accessible by longtail boat from Koh Samui, families in Koh Samui realized very quickly the potential of “Sex, Drugs and rock’n Roll” on a remote beach away from authority. Later a road got build to the rest of Koh Phangan and more boats connecting Samui with Phangan and Koh Tao. With it, the party culture, party tourists and of course crime spread northwards, like a cancer.
Now times do have changed, minorities have been pushed out and although the families are still here, they are probably not half as much in control of this paradise as they used to be. Today, the majority of the island population moved here from outside. Be it Thais from the mainland, Burmese or foreigners and with it came money, greed, police and crime.
I could go on about corruption, scams, extortion, saving face or the lucrative business of some people but as my home is here in the tropics, I have no intention to be hanging from a palm tree (no skyscraper here on the island) or drowning in the sea because of some disgruntled Thai
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Ah, yes. Gotta make sure the money keeps flowing. Absolutely ZERO concern the brutal murderers are still walking around free.
Purely idiotic to think people here don't give a thought about those brutal murders. Just because people are concerned about how they make a living after such a tragedy, doesn't mean they show no concern or sympathy for the families of those victims. Just because people try to get tourists back after such a horrible crime, doesn't mean we forgotten about it already.
Comments like yours show how little concern is given to the thousands of innocent people living here a normal life, often mixed with fear. People who have absolute nothing to do with this incident and could lose their livelihood because of it. The two people killed and their families are not the only victims of this atrocities.
1000's of migrant workers could lose their jobs and can go back home, if no tourists arrive anymore. Multiply that with the people who rely on those migrant workers in order to make a living back home. Pretty cruel to believe we shouldn't worry about our businesses, our work, how we feed our children, how we survive after such a tragedy that will affect us all.
Most likely, those people who try to cover up this crime are the least worried about where the money comes from but everyone else is but that has absolute nothing to do with, ZERO concern for the families of the victims.
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Okay, then
1. You go without making a big public announcement, one intended only to give you more face, and you do your job quietly, out of respect for the victims' families;
2. Have you been to Koh Tao? I have. It is a very small Thai community. I have no doubt that everyone knows who did it. The local cops most certainly do.
Let 'em all suffer. I hope the ones who know and won't tell, all go out of business. And the cops who take money from them for looking the other way, or from extorting tourists, I hope they lose everything they have.
1. Out of respect for the families, 3/4 of the posters here should keep their keyboards locked away.
2. Have I been to Koh Tao?
But you're right, compared to over 4000 migrant workers and uncountable tourists,
the Thai community, more or less ALL from Koh Phangan, Surat Thani or Chumporn, is indeed very small.
Now your comment: "I hope they lose everything they have", the first ones to lose everything will be the migrant
workers who already suffer (silently) under the rule of the big bosses. Many myanmar girls are raped daily by
their employers and are to afraid to stand up and now, you want them to suffer even more?
So out of respect and compassion for the latest victims, people forget any respect and compassion for the
most vulnerable people here on the island. Is that what western people call justice?
Believe me or not, but most Thai families who own (lease) property on Koh Tao will not even blink with their
eyes if no tourists arrive anymore. A million baht is peanuts for them.
How do you feel about growing older here in Thailand?
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Well in this case:
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