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srsv1238, as someone said: “10% of conflict is due to difference in opinion and 90% is due to the wrong tone of voice”. So let’s try to build constructive buildings. We can start by finding points in which we both agree.

I will give my answer in brackets. Please share yours, and let’s see how many common points we do share

(we assume that we’re talking about Amazing Thailand)

1.- All politicians must be accountable for their wrongdoings, independently of the number of votes that they have received (True)

2.- It is suspected that politicians from all parties have committed wrong doings (True)

3.- All politicians must be accountable for their wrongdoings, independently of their party (True)

4.- The current situation was ignited when PT tried to pass the Amnesty bill (True)

5.- The Amnesty Bill, amongst other bills, was considered unlawful (True)

6.- The Amnesty Bill was not even acceptable by most of the Red Shirts (True)

7.- The ruling party is facing several legal cases that must be resolved with urgency, since the future of the country is at stake (True)

8.- Members of the opposition are facing legal cases that should be resolved (True)

9 – In order to respect the will of the electorate, re-elected wrongdoers cannot be hold accountable (False)

10.- We are mere expectators of this Crazy Circus (True)

If, at the very least, we only agree with point #9, let’s finish the discussion here, and enjoy the Circus. It’s Friday!!!

1. Agreed

2. Agreed

3. Agreed

4. Agreed. However the amnesty bill was designed to give amnesty to all, not just one side.

5. Considered unlawful by whom and Why? What laws did it violate?

6. Agreed. But that simply shows that compromise solutions are often disliked by all parties, which is what makes it "fair".

7. There are many cases before the courts. Shouldn't those who have been waiting for justice be served first? Expediting this case simply shows how politicized the judiciary has become, and will lead to it being seen as illegitimate by the people.

8. Agreed. The cases should be handled promptly and I suggest chronologically.

9. Re-elected wrong doers should still be held accountable if they have been found guilty if crimes, irregardless of their political position and circumstance.

10. Spectators, yes. Voices of reason, yes.

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Are you supporting the Amnesty Bill?

The final text of the Amnesty Bill was not only unlawful but unethical in many ways.

Amongst other things, the bill was illegal because the committee altered the core contents during the second reading, before their attempt to pass it at 4:30AM. The final contents had nothing to do with the draft that was discussed with the other parties.

It would have affected Thailand's ratification of the United Nations Convention against Corruption.

Many more things... but it is very boring to try to explain all this again. Do some research, or just use common sense.

http://thaishortnews.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/un-human-rights-body-cautions-thailand-over-amnesty-bill/

http://www.humanrights.asia/news/ahrc-news/AHRC-STM-201-2013

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/human-rights-watch-rejects-proposed-blanket-amnesty-bill/

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Amnesty-bill-would-kill-25355-graft-cases-NACC-30218832.html

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/8355972.html

http://www.nhrc.or.th/2012/wb/en/news_detail.php?nid=1960&parent_id=1&type=hilight

"6. Agreed. But that simply shows that compromise solutions are often disliked by all parties, which is what makes it "fair"."

Seriously???

And they have presented a copy of Khaosod newspaper as a forensic evidence, because that is the only proof that they have.

Although the topic of the OP article is only about the super-rich selfish minority, some are still criticizing the kind and generous average Thai People.

This picture from the last mega-floods is to remind that generosity is not only about money or about getting something in return:

The majority of (non-super-rich) Thais are wonderful people.

I can't give my opinion about the super-rich because I don't have direct experiences with them (except from the occasional news, like bribing the Police to not to incriminate the drunk rich-kid that kills a policeman with his racing car)

srsv1238, as someone said: “10% of conflict is due to difference in opinion and 90% is due to the wrong tone of voice”. So let’s try to build constructive buildings. We can start by finding points in which we both agree.

I will give my answer in brackets. Please share yours, and let’s see how many common points we do share

(we assume that we’re talking about Amazing Thailand)

1.- All politicians must be accountable for their wrongdoings, independently of the number of votes that they have received (True)

2.- It is suspected that politicians from all parties have committed wrong doings (True)

3.- All politicians must be accountable for their wrongdoings, independently of their party (True)

4.- The current situation was ignited when PT tried to pass the Amnesty bill (True)

5.- The Amnesty Bill, amongst other bills, was considered unlawful (True)

6.- The Amnesty Bill was not even acceptable by most of the Red Shirts (True)

7.- The ruling party is facing several legal cases that must be resolved with urgency, since the future of the country is at stake (True)

8.- Members of the opposition are facing legal cases that should be resolved (True)

9 – In order to respect the will of the electorate, re-elected wrongdoers cannot be hold accountable (False)

10.- We are mere expectators of this Crazy Circus (True)

If, at the very least, we only agree with point #9, let’s finish the discussion here, and enjoy the Circus. It’s Friday!!!

Wow! We didn’t hear that old cliché of “Bangkok Elite Vs Red poor Folk” for a long time. The latest fashion trend is to use the mantras “Judicial Coup” or ‘Respect my Vote”.

Someone has a problem with respecting the right of people to vote. How utterly Elitists.

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If giving priority to the fight against corruption, abuse of power, and disrespect of law is considered “elitist”, I must say that I am very proud of being called that.

Therefore, those who wish immunity and forgiveness for those who are democratically elected, even if they are lawless and rotten in corruption, should be called the antonyms of elite: “bad”, “inferior”, “poor”, “second-rate”, “ordinary”, “worst”…

Hence, you and your superior ilk must have the divine right to rule over others irregardless of what they believe. Their opinions do not matter. Only yours.

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Why do you talk about opinions and believes?? Why do you talk about me?? The problem with all those politicians (all parties - I'm not married with anyone) is not about "opinions" or "ideologies" but about violations of law, abuse of power, corruption, lack of accountability and transparency, etc. Having being democratically elected by majority of votes is not an excuse to tolerate those crimes!!!! Is that so difficult to understand?

At this point, there are no, repeat NO!!!!!!!!!! Corruption charges against her. She is being investigated for negligence & not doing her job properly. I.e. she was warned that corruption was happening & investigated the person who told her, instead of investigating what she had been told. It is bad enough when partly informed people keep on about "her corruption charges" but this is an article by a journalist who we would hope would get it right. Corruption charges could conceivably follow depending on the outcome of the current investigation, but at this stage that is NOT what they are doing.

She may have not put money from the rice scam on her pocket, but during the last years she has been warned many times that there was corruption. She has received many reports with evidences of corruption. But she has always ignored all the evidences and she never took any consequent action. She cannot be charged for corruption but, since she was aware of the crime on the office where she was in charge, she is accomplice of corruption.

Perhaps she wasn't brave enough to fight against the powerful crooks? Don't know.

Funny to read these comments - gestapo, terror, abuse. Common on folks, this is all part of the political theater, or rather the chess game that is Thai politics. There is no fair process, no rules, just what you can get away with and how it impacts the next situation. Here, Thaksin and his minions have tried to block their opponents from throwing his team out, even if they do remove the PM. Sticking to the colors (and for those of you who will jump in and say 'the yellows are not the PDRC are not the PAD", ok, fine, go back to Zardoz and play in your reality), the reds are setting the stage for dragging the royal institution into the game. So when the CC or NACC (dominated by yellows) rule against Yingluck, they will also move to kick out the cabinet. Thaksin / reds will then appeal to the royal institution - and either win out or drive a wedge further between it and the red masses. Given that the yellows have determined they must get rid of Thaksin and Co, then they will almost certainly move against the cabinet as well, so this is just a strategic move in a long term game, attempting to create more division between Bangkok yellow elites and red poor folk. Simplistic but largely the case.

Wow! We didn’t hear that old cliché of “Bangkok Elite Vs Red poor Folk” for a long time. The latest fashion trend is to use the mantras “Judicial Coup” or ‘Respect my Vote”.

Someone has a problem with respecting the right of people to vote. How utterly Elitists.

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If giving priority to the fight against corruption, abuse of power, and disrespect of law is considered “elitist”, I must say that I am very proud of being called that.

Therefore, those who wish immunity and forgiveness for those who are democratically elected, even if they are lawless and rotten in corruption, should be called the antonyms of elite: “bad”, “inferior”, “poor”, “second-rate”, “ordinary”, “worst”…

Funny to read these comments - gestapo, terror, abuse. Common on folks, this is all part of the political theater, or rather the chess game that is Thai politics. There is no fair process, no rules, just what you can get away with and how it impacts the next situation. Here, Thaksin and his minions have tried to block their opponents from throwing his team out, even if they do remove the PM. Sticking to the colors (and for those of you who will jump in and say 'the yellows are not the PDRC are not the PAD", ok, fine, go back to Zardoz and play in your reality), the reds are setting the stage for dragging the royal institution into the game. So when the CC or NACC (dominated by yellows) rule against Yingluck, they will also move to kick out the cabinet. Thaksin / reds will then appeal to the royal institution - and either win out or drive a wedge further between it and the red masses. Given that the yellows have determined they must get rid of Thaksin and Co, then they will almost certainly move against the cabinet as well, so this is just a strategic move in a long term game, attempting to create more division between Bangkok yellow elites and red poor folk. Simplistic but largely the case.

Wow! We didn’t hear that old cliché of “Bangkok Elite Vs Red poor Folk” for a long time. The latest fashion trend is to use the mantras “Judicial Coup” or ‘Respect my Vote”.

In Thailand charity ends at home.

Not in the Thailand that I know. Perhaps I am being lucky with the people that I am surrounding myself but, as I've said before, Thais are amongst the most generous persons that I've ever met.

This article is a quite a contradiction to the one which states how generous Thai's are as Asia's top tippers!

Thais, in general, are amongst the most generous people that I've ever met, but the article is talking about a super-rich minority, not about Thais in general.

So here's a wanted criminal, who's tried to shut down the country's capital city for months, who refuses to hand himself over to authorities, shaking hands with and giving/recieving a gift with a high level member of the armed forces.

What a joke of the country.

Please post a link to the picture Thaksin shaking hands, as from you description that must be the person you're talking about.

I can't think of any other wanted criminal who shut down Bangkok for months .

Here is the acclaimed "shaking hand's" picture of the coup financier

What about the Shin clan who absolutely love their country and country men and women, isn't their aim to do good for all ( of their own family ) ?

Do you realise how many previous lifetime points they had to accumulate, to become so wealthy?

Indeed! They have probably been investing in a good-rebirth insurance plan, like the Dhammakaya, for eons

As a matter of fact, the Shins are one of their main donators.

Buying Your Way To Heaven: Thailand’s Dhammakaya

http://penhpal.com/2011/02/buying-your-way-to-heaven-thailand%E2%80%99s-dhammakaya-cult/

Dhammakaya: Traditional Buddhism Or Commodification?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/354829-dhammakaya-traditional-buddhism-or-commodification/

There are many small and medium size organizations in Thailand to help both animals and human creatures.

A kind suggestion for you, super-rich Thai Visa farangs:

http://www.rakmaw.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=article&Ntype=24&Id=539542471 (menu in English on the right)

https://www.facebook.com/catroompantip

Chutima Sidasathian ‏@OiChutima

Ready for court. Here we go. pic.twitter.com/0jt0Kh5CHD

Chutima Sidasathian ‏@OiChutima

Alan Morison today. pic.twitter.com/KoeksvCXdJ

Some super-rich Thais donate huge sums of money to the super-rich Dhammakaya Cult. They are so powerful and super-rich that they appeared at the Thailand Forbes of January 2014. But I don't think that it could be considered philanthropy, just a selfish investment to allegedly get a good rebirth on their next life.

http://www.dhammakaya.net/en/docs/dhammakaya-cetiya

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This place is slowly becoming like USA. Big brother everywhere, no freedom of speech. Nada!

It's obvious that you have not seen the video. Its not a question of "freedom of speech". It was not just a comment that could be considered offensive, but a direct and clear threat to overthrown the head of state, accusing him of the troubles of the country, and a call to start a civil war. He even offered himself to shoot the first bullet.

That would be immediate cause for an arrest in any country, regardless of the level of freedom of speech.

Sorry but I have to disagree. Much as I abhor many radical stances and groups, they have the freedom to denounce the President of the U.S., call for the overthrow of the government, etc. that is protected speech in the U.S. The critical point would be directly threatening to do harm to the President ( or any individual for that matter), or physically taking up arms to overthrow the government. There is quite a difference, " lese majesty" could not float in the U.S. Hmmm, I know it might be impractical but why not move any bringing of charges under the royal household. Only the ruler being able to make the charge? My thought would be to remove these charges from such widespread use in Thai politics.

Try to make a threaten to genocide and mass-murder of the "elite" in your country, combined with the many other threatens that Ko-The has made, and see what happens.

Perhaps nothing will happen to you if you are not famous, but Ko-The is a very well known leader.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10606562/Thai-red-shirts-leader-says-Its-time-to-get-rid-of-the-elite.html

" The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship or the red-shirt movement"

Tippy-toe'ing about...Trying really, really hard to avoid political realities.

It wouldn't do to characterize these people for what they are, in contrast to their opposites.......One of being pro- electoral and Parliamentary Democrats and anti-Coup vs. coup advocacy and pro-establishment of a "Civilian Dictatorship"

This anti-UDD/RS/PTP media would be embarrassed by that.

Best to use their affinity clothing color descriptions, in order to avoid calling them what they are....If one calls them a pro-Democracy Movement suggests there must be one against it.....The coup advocates want to avoid and hide that fact...Heavens, what would an International audience think if they knew that.....Best to call themselves anti-Govt. and protesters, when knowledgeable people know they are neither...Coup advocacy is not that.......Normalizing their abnormal judiciary and Ind. Org's certainly blows enough smoke that International audiences will be unable to penetrate.

Lest PAD-Dem's are again moved to diminish rallies of this nature, they need to simply get themselves beyond the fact these people represent an electoral majority......And that majority is "ON" to all this deviousness noted above....They know a coup when they see one...Creeping, Judicial or whatever......Any...ANY...move to base Governance and the selection of a Prime Minister on less than an electoral foundation, is effectively a coup...No-one is fooling anyone by trying to make it appear otherwise......Certainly these people at this upcoming rally are not fooled by this coup advocacy chicanery of the Const. Court.

It is why Amsterdam indicated this CC does not have the legitimacy to call itself a "court".......The people attending this rally representing millions, agree with that, and show it by their attendance at this gatherings.

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For the last 5 years or so, Amsterdam is being paid by the most corrupt guy in thai history, Thaksin.

Amsterdam has a record a lobbying for everybody who pays them. They work for the world's most notorious criminals. You can look it up yourself. In other words, you know you have a problem if you need Amsterdam.

Therefor, what Amsterdam says about the Thai constitutional court is basically irrelevant. Also, Amsterdam never refers to the rule of law in any of their propaganda pieces. Go figure..

I know that desperate times require desperate measures but quoting Amsterdam isn't going to give you a lot of credit I am afraid.

"I know that desperate times require desperate measures but quoting Amsterdam isn't going to give you a lot of credit I am afraid."

Quoting Amsterdam is, indeed, synonymous of unreliability. Shall we call that a "selfquote"?

This place is slowly becoming like USA. Big brother everywhere, no freedom of speech. Nada!

It's obvious that you have not seen the video. Its not a question of "freedom of speech". It was not just a comment that could be considered offensive, but a direct and clear threat to overthrown the head of state, accusing him of the troubles of the country, and a call to start a civil war. He even offered himself to shoot the first bullet.

That would be immediate cause for an arrest in any country, regardless of the level of freedom of speech.

Isn't the point of the 2nd amendment in the US constitution supposed to be for just that?

For what? For shooting the first bullet of a Civil War?

Police 'must be more proactive'

Sorry, only Thaksin's orders...

Or incentives. Offer them a reward to do their job and perhaps (perhaps only) they will perform their duty

This place is slowly becoming like USA. Big brother everywhere, no freedom of speech. Nada!

It's obvious that you have not seen the video. Its not a question of "freedom of speech". It was not just a comment that could be considered offensive, but a direct and clear threat to overthrown the head of state, accusing him of the troubles of the country, and a call to start a civil war. He even offered himself to shoot the first bullet.

That would be immediate cause for an arrest in any country, regardless of the level of freedom of speech.

Why don't the Germans let Ms Yingluck and all the members of her cabinet to govern Germany during few months? They would love it so much that they would never vote Angela again. They may even let Mr. Thaksin to live in Germany, as a senior adviser of the Bundesregierung.

Democrats say a high-ranking police officer is shielding Ko Tee

BANGKOK: -- A police lieutenant general has been shielding Ko Tee from arrest, Democrat party’s chief legal team claimed Thursday.

Without naming name, Mr Wirat Kalayasiri said the police lieutenant general was not far away from where he was speaking and he was willing to give police the tip of where Ko Tee, or Wutthipong Kotthammakhun, had been hiding if the police had no idea where to look for him.

Wirat said that the police were able to arrest the “pop corn” gunman despite the fact that the suspect covered his face with a mask but were unable to arrest Tang Archiva, a vocational student wanted on lese majeste charge despite the fact that the suspect occasionally posted his images on the social media.

The Democrat suggested the national police chief, Pol Gen Adul Saengsingkaew, to take the police officer in question to task for protecting a criminal offender.

The Democrats on Thursday lodged a complaint with the Crime Suppression Division to arrest Ko Tee for allegedly defaming the Monarchy during his interview with a foreign media.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/democrats-say-high-ranking-police-officer-shielding-ko-tee/

-- Thai PBS 2014-04-10

Shielding Ko Tee and shielding their Master. There is no need to name names.

Here is the Bangkok Metropolitan Police Chief, spotted a couple of weeks ago in Singapore, applying an acupuncture needle to relief the stress of his Master.

If he has not arrested his master, how do you expect him to arrest his beloved friend KoTe?