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13 hours ago, Toolong said:I don't wish to shift too much from the main issue here, which is essentially the possible imposition of restrictive & puntive social sanctions against those unvaccinated, but could someone just explain to me why I might be incorrect in thinking that if vaccinated people can still become infected with C19.....and if vaccinated people can still infect others with C19, why should it be assumed that UNvaccinated people are a particular risk to others? (A risk to themselves, yes.) It's a genuine query and I am happy to be shown up as having faulty logic or as being uninformed if that is the case.
(I am fully vaccinated btw, but only cos I could see exactly this kind of s**t coming down the road.....and lo, here it comes.)
This question or line of thought seems to be becoming relatively common even amongst some whom I know are otherwise sensible, so let's look at it clearly shall we?
1. Unvaccinated people are more likely to get the virus than vaccinated people.
This is clearly true, and can be understood by the common person when you remember that those who are vaccinated and get the virus are classified as having gotten a "breakthrough" infection. That means that, despite the additional protection offered by the vaccine, it's not a 100% preventive and so even vaccinated people can get the virus. However, it is obvious that two identical twins - one vaccinated, one not - who are exposed to the same circumstances will have the unvaccinated one more likely to get the virus. Therefore, statistically, you ARE more likely to have the virus if you're unvaccinated with all other factors unconsidered. This is the main reason for restrictions. If you're a vector, I don't want you wandering around near me. In addition, if you DO get the virus, the unvaccinated are more likely to get long-haul COVID, have a longer time with the virus before recovery and have more serious impacts from the virus. This makes them a burden on the healthcare system and families who have to care for them and a higher risk because they're actively transmitting the virus for a longer period of time after getting it than the vaccinated are by virtue of their being able to recover more quickly and completely.2. Unvaccinated people are more likely to behave with less caution in terms of getting or transmitting the virus.
I would say that there are two camps of unvaccinated based on my observation. First are those who are genuinely concerned about the vaccine impacts on their personal health but who recognize that the virus is a serious health concern and take extra precautions (being especially careful about masking, avoiding crowds, maintaining social distancing etc.) knowing that they haven't got the vaccination to provide additional protection. Those people are not problematic because they're behaving in a way that protects themselves and others from what they recognize as a public health danger. With their behaviours and masking, they're not recklessly exposing others to the virus, although they're personally in more danger should they get infected despite their precautions.
The second camp are the real problem - the "I know better than the scientists" crowd, the "muh freedumbs", the "vaccine-shedding", the "micro-chipping", the "sheeple" and the "whatabouters"...it's been a revelation to me that this group extends far wider and deeper than previously believed and includes people who ARE scientists and health professionals. However, as one who grew up in a medical family, it's actually not that unusual for health professionals to eschew what they know to be sound medical advice in favour of doing what they want despite the impacts. In these cases, there are usually two main reasons underlying those choices: (1) Political belief, (2) Personal convenience/pleasure, (3) Fatalism, (4) Susceptibility to conspiracy theory, and (5) Mental illness. These people have politicized a public health issue and are not willing to either consider other people's rights as being as valid as their own, or are basically of the opinion "we're all gonna die one day and this place is going to hell in a handbasket anyway" or have become influenced by deliberately targeted and malevolent social media to act as the "sheeple" they so despise. In addition, because of the politicization of the issue, these people are also now gathering with other like-minded individuals to promote their point of view, and of course not taking the pre-cautions to prevent transmission of the disease so are higher in actual exposure to the virus. These people are a real and present danger to the public. They are the reason for the restrictions and why, suddenly, after a lifetime of getting vaccinated, there are all of these internet experts "DoInG thEIr ResEARch" to tell us all about the science and epidemiology they haven't previously given a thought to for their entire existence. But of course without the grounding to understand a whit of it.
The biggest problem is separating these two groups of unvaccinated people. Since there's no easy, obvious or scientific way to do so that is practical, unfortunately for the first group, they're going to have the restrictions imposed on the second group. Those restrictions are necessary to protect the rest of us who are complying with the public health mandates and practices.
TL;DR: You are statistically more likely to be a danger to someone else in terms of transmitting COVID-19 if you are unvaccinated because your likelihood of getting the virus is higher and you're more likely to transmit the virus due to your views that have lead you to not get the vaccination. This is not universal behaviour among the unvaccinated, but in order to manage the virus practically, this group has to be treated uniformly in order to protect the majority of the population and, especially, the vulnerable.-
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As one of the billions of potential tourists who have been deemed "low quality", may I ask if that was the Thai Government's "inside voice" speaking again?
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That's the sensible way to go about it. Don't talk to any of the thousands of actual expats who live in Thailand to find out how they might keep them here and attract similar sorts - have some senior Thai guys get together to figure out how to attract the sort of expats who don't and won't come to Thailand. Sure to bring about the expected result! Which is true, since the expected result is greasing of palms, drinking of expensive scotch and wine and cavorting about with attractive young ladies while "discussing" this difficult issue.
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22 hours ago, tingtong said:
Teaching in school or not....
Ultimately it is the job of the parents to teach about the basics, not kindergarten teachers.
As for some ppl might bring snacks ...
Most kids, in Thailand too, abused by family members or close family friend, or those they are the under care and said to trust, like teachers, monks.
The sad truth.
While you are correct in theory, in practice one tends to learn about sex from one's peers, generally in the single digit age bracket. These are not the most well-informed and experienced people to learn from. However, they're by far the most likely to broach the subject and expound upon it at that age. Parents have many delusions about their influence, it's actually less than you think.
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As to the gals...
1. Vietnam2. Singapore
3. Thailand
4. Vietnam
5. Cambodia
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Where are the Gui (Suay) people in that ethno-linguistic map? I guess subsumed within the surrounding populations like they've been for thousands of years...
There remain numerous pockets in Thailand, Cambodia and Laos, but they're doomed to fade into obscurity even faster than the highland peoples. -
On 7/31/2021 at 3:15 AM, wombat said:
how about praising the diver for his achievement rather than throw a dispersion on his father?....i call this gutter journalism .
What sort of aspersions were cast upon his father? He's comfortable enough with his sexuality to be "out of the closet" and is the proud parent of this boy who achieved a remarkable feat despite humble beginnings. Only those who consider being gay to be negative connotation would consider this to be an aspersion (sic dispersion).
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I think the reaction to the story itself tells you the whole story.
As of this post, 1 "Like", 59 "55555!" and 1 "Sad".
Good that only the most jaded can't have a good laugh at this one.-
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1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:
Stating facts.
Here's another for you.
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not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."he was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical"
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On 7/17/2021 at 10:12 AM, Sparktrader said:
Source ABC , left wing mob
Oh, doubling down on your disingenuity? Yes, the ABC printed the prepared statement by the Right-Wing Aussie politician. Does that make it Left-Wing Canon now?
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11 hours ago, Sparktrader said:
Ecological Marxism
There are many descriptions that could be applied to the Greens, but none seems more accurate than Jack Mundey’s own description of “ecological Marxism”. This description sums up the two core beliefs of the Greens. First, the environment or the ecology is to be placed before all else. This is spelt out in the first principle in the Greens Global Charter:
“We acknowledge that human beings are part of the natural world and we respect the specific values of all forms of life, including non-human species.” [vi]
Secondly, the Greens are Marxist in their philosophy, and display the same totalitarian tendencies of all previous forms of Marxism when applied as a political movement. By totalitarian, I mean the subordination of the individual and the impulse to rid society of all elements that, in the eyes of the adherent, mar its perfection.Source ABC
Nice disingenuous post! Somehow you managed to omit the source of this "news" from ABC - a direct quotation from Kevin Andrews, a Liberal politician. It's a characterization of the Greens from a political party member of the opposite side of the political spectrum.
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3 hours ago, Sparktrader said:
Lots of communists about. The Greens are communist. Nothing normal about them.
Really? They're calling for collectivization of agriculture, workers owning the means of production, dictatorship of the proletariat?
Of course they're not.-
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On 7/11/2021 at 9:28 AM, The Hammer2021 said:Usually adults leave communism and socialism behind as they mature unless they're millionaires..Which makes them repellent for two issues. Hypocrites lacking in a moral compass
Where did you grow up that there were such a bunch of communists and socialists about? By your use of the terms I already know the answer is "the United States". That's because there WEREN'T any communists or socialists about, but you preferred to namecall anyone who wasn't Right-Wing as being a "radical communist" for demanding what is normal in the remainder of the developed world, a.k.a. "social democracy". You know, where you don't have to go into bankruptcy due to a health problem for example.
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Sorry, I know it's getting a bit boring...but this is my post to remind the denizens of the land of dillydallying with demimondaine that the impoverished Socialist country to your East, the one that ranks below 150 in most indices, the one that has to borrow pretty much everything just to survive and receives very little in return from the expatriates who live there...
...provided FREE vaccines for ALL EXPATRIATES WITHOUT PREJUDICE as if they were actual citizens of Lao PDR. The only reason you wouldn't be vaccinated in Laos right now is because you don't want to be.
So as you reflect upon the incompetence of Prayut and the contempt with which you're held by the people you're handsomely paying for the privilege of becoming walking ATMs for, you might consider that there are actually countries in the region who don't treat Expats like this. -
Why is it we're not being given full information as to who these six penniless cadets were and what their family connections are?
Do you REALLY think there is the slightest chance that a single one of these cadets isn't a direct family member of someone high up in the current RGC?
Do you REALLY think the US didn't know EXACTLY who these kids were and whether they required scholarships or not?
Do you REALLY think that the withdrawal of the scholarship funds will reduce the poor cadet's abilities for fuel their Konigsberg cars?-
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Q: What's the longest road in the world?
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12 hours ago, mtls2005 said:
What a weird tangent?
Not sure what is wrong with you, but Moderna won't help.
I was responding directly to someone who questioned that very thing. You might go ask him, a Monsieur Sneer I believe.
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10 hours ago, cyril sneer said:
Isn’t that the same country that makes it illegal for a foreigner to have a relationship with a woman?
No, it is officially illegal for foreigners to cohabit with unmarried women if you have no intention to marry and haven't been up front with the village chief. In these cases, i.e., if you're a doofus or contemptuous of the authorities then you may well end up having to pony up $500 or so if you're caught with your girlfriend. And there's not so much of a whoring scene there although it's easily enough available if one makes any effort to find it.
So yes, for the mongers, Laos is probably not the heaven on earth that they've found in the land of vertical smile. And for which they clearly need to pay and pay, and pay and pay. I'm referring to the situation of the majority of the expats in Laos, who are not mongers generally speaking (although they tend towards the drink as it's pretty good and almost free) and many many of whom are either with their Lao girlfriends or more commonly have already married and established families. Or single people who are working.
I know it's difficult to conceive of people who aren't in this part of the world to chase after women younger than their own children constantly when that's all you see reflected off the bar mirror or refracted through the bottom of your beer bottle. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that you're actually a smaller percentage of people than you think.-
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And here I am thinking "what if they organized, but on a more effective basis?" For example, instead of striking like this and becoming a spectacle mostly for witty jibes, compile a database of clientele of high rank at the various ministries and both the frequency and variety of their romantic liaisons? Once that's populated (shouldn't take more than a month I would expect), they'd be able to walk in with a list of demands and have them written into law without debate.
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Sorry for the repetition, but this is my regular post where I point out that the impoverished country to Thailand's East, the one where the majority of Expats don't pay any tax to the government or have to deposit large sums of money just to have the right to stay, the one that doesn't have dual pricing as a matter of course...also known as the Lao People's Democratic Republic has provided for months already vaccines (AZ or Sinopharm) to ALL expats ENTIRELY for FREE with ZERO discrimination in regard to whether the locals or the expats get access.
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Can we see the sort of rooftops he was cavorting about on with two bottles of liquor? He could be the founder of the Pattaya Parkour Society!
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As a man sows, so shall he reap?
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31 minutes ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said:
Since Biden has rightly emphasized vaccinating illegal immigrants and seems to have decided to not vaccinate Americans abroad, isn't that precisely what he's doing?
Yes, and I agree with his priorities although I can't say that I'm very impressed either by the USA or Canada or other countries who don't seem to give a flying about their citizen-expats.
This is also where I note once again that the impoverished country to Thailand's East, the one with a Socialist government, the one that doesn't discriminate against expatriates and have double-pricing as a matter of course...they vaccinated me and every other expatriate for FREE! Orderly, simple, easy, zero cost, already double-vaxxed with A-Z like majority of the expats here.-
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26 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:But he has not ensured any domestic safety and security by letting thousands of illegals into the country, exactly the opposite.
Simple question - did illegals stop coming in the country during the previous presidency? I don't think so despite the quite significant (albeit misguided) efforts that were expended in that regard. So understanding that illegal immigrants will be in the USA regardless of policy, intention, political party of the President or any other factors, do you think it better that they are vaccinated or unvaccinated? Do you think you're a higher priority for people in the USA or are the people who they may well encounter who might be spreading the virus?
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Ministry official hints you'll need to be vaxxed to do things in public in Thailand
in Thailand News
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Do I believe that everybody being vaxxed will kill off the virus?
Yes, I do. Have you seen much Smallpox about lately? How about Polio? Why not?
That you believe that nobody was developing mRNA vaccines before 4 months ago tells us everything we need to know about your knowledge and expertise.