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Photographs taken inside Wuhan lab!!!
Shocking photos from inside Wuhan lab show broken seal on unit which stores 1,500 virus strains - including the bat coronavirus behind the deadly pandemic. “
“The sources believe that ‘Patient Zero’ was an intern at the lab, who spread the virus into the local population after infecting her boyfriend.”
“However, one political source said that there was ‘growing scientific curiosity’ over the symptoms of a marked loss of taste and smell in many victims of Covid-19.
‘This might – only might – indicate a level of human interference,’ the source said.”
Also letter from Chinese Embassy in London to Mail on Sunday
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Quite a long article, which includes looking at China’s history of reproducing viruses from previous decades. One of the examples:
“In 1977 a strange strain of flu started infecting people in Northern China. The symptoms — mostly not fatal — duplicated those of a flu type last seen two decades before and thought extinct ...
.... Genetic tests by virologists indicated this was indeed the same ‘extinct’ flu from the late 1950s. In its prime, the strain had been so widespread that anyone alive was likely to have been exposed to it and developed immunity.
Where had it been for two decades? And why the comeback?“
Although the article is quite long it names patient zero who may have leaked the virus outside and also looks at Batwoman (again) Shi Zengli (Remember her?!):
“Another expert argued ‘it could not possibly be a natural mutation’.
The new coronavirus was not naturally occurring at all, they argued. It had been artificially ‘manipulated’ in a laboratory so that it could enter and destroy human cells.
And the person allegedly at the centre of this sinister manipulation was the Institute of Virology’s famed ‘bat woman’, Shi Zengli.”
“The brilliant Ms Zengli had other research interests and was experimenting in synthetic viruses which could pass from animals to humans.“
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'WHO medical representative said: “These antibody tests will be able to measure that level of seroprevalence - that level of antibodies but that does not mean that somebody with antibodies means that they are immune.' “
“Coronavirus testing can currently be split into two types: Antigen and antibody.
The antigen test is the one currently being carried out across the nation which shows if someone has coronavirus.
It was hoped that antibody tests would be able to show if someone has already had the disease and if they have some resistance to it which would allow that person to return to normal life.
Mass produced antibody tests had until now been seen by many as the key to restarting the UK's creaking economy. “
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Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell a young casualty doctor, “has watched over the beds of hundreds of coronavirus patients, and now believes they are dying because of the very treatment that is meant to save them ...”In his youtube video, “ ... which has been viewed around the world, is heralding are-think concerning the treatment of severe cases of Covid-19. In particular, experts are now asking whether the best way of saving patients might be to saturate their blood with oxygen delivered through a mask without using a ventilator.
This is the approach reportedly used during Boris Johnson's fight for life against the virus at London's St Thomas' Hospital intensive care unit. Before the pandemic took hold, Kyle-Sidell's theory might have been dismissed as maverick.”
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Someone willing to support Hockney:“And here’s my point: it’s also far from abundantly clear that smokers are in greater danger than anyone else. On the contrary, as Hockney suggests, we may actually be safer — safer even than those infuriating health fanatics we see jogging around the park, panting and spreading their toxic droplets to anyone unfortunate enough to get in their way.”
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12 hours ago, Chelseafan said:
No access to Washington post unless you're a subscriber.
Thank you for taking an interest in my thread. I am not a subscriber to Washington Post.
Try this link to Yahoo News:
https://apple.news/ADT0FYUceQsqUv6TvQgO9ig
Business Insider:
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-investigating-chinese-lab-covid-19-theory-2020-4
Also The Sun:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11410276/china-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-leak-mike-pompeo-us/
The Daily Mail gives good summary. I know you are not interested in DM, but three quarters of the way down in that article, it provides a link to the Washington Post article. Presumably, as most Daily Mail readers are not registered with the Washington Post, you can read the WP article without being blocked, or having to register your name first. -
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On 4/15/2020 at 4:04 PM, Surelynot said:If it's in the Daily Fail it will be worth checking other sources to verify for sure.On 4/15/2020 at 7:23 PM, Chelseafan said:Yep, my motto exactly.
It is worth looking at rabas’s comments post #8 above.And here is an article by The Washington Post. The Chinese are trying to put the blame on the Wuhan wet market. The Americans are becoming more convinced that it was a lab accident in Wuhan Institute of Virology, which resulted in the infection spreading into the town. A number of cables were issued by the State Department warning the US government that the lab was not following safety protocols and should be helped to rectify their laxness. Unfortunately, at the time, no further action was taken.
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Here is an article which believes the West is wrong about China’s responsibility for the virus, which includes the following comments:
“A recent study conducted by British and German scientists found the virus has three variants, A, B and C, of which A was the root of the outbreak. The authors discovered that variant A was found in Americans who had lived in Wuhan, as well as other American and Australian patients. Only variant B was found in Wuhan. Variant C was common in Europe but not found in China.
The British-German study was more in line with the January Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences one that found the coronavirus has five strains – A, B, C, D and E. In the earlier study, only C was found in Wuhan but all five existed in the US. Both the British/German and Chinese analyses agreed that A was the root of the outbreak.”
https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/blaming-china-reveals-wests-weaknesses/
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“I USED to joke that being a smoker in Malibu was the equivalent of being a non-smoker in Pasadena. They used to have very bad pollution there. Could it not be that smokers have developed an immune system to this virus? With all these figures coming out, it’s beginning to look like that to me. I’m serious — and remember cigars and cigarettes are vegan.”
David Hockney, Normandy.
The article below includes the following from a scientific study which seems to support Hockney’s belief::
“A study published earlier this month by scientists in New York and Athens .... looked at 13 Chinese studies that had registered smoking as a precondition and found that the number of smokers across the whole sample of 5,300 patients was 6.5 per cent. An astonishingly small number in country where half of all men still smoke.
'This preliminary analysis does not support the argument that current smoking is a risk factor for hospitalization for COVID-19,' it reads.
'Instead, these consistent observations, which are further emphasized by the low prevalence of current smoking among COVID-19 patients in the US (1.3 per cent), raises the hypothesis that nicotine may have beneficial effects on COVID-19.'”
There is another thread on this forum about warnings against smoking marijuana, because it may inflame your lungs:
(I am a non smoker and have no intention of changing)
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1 hour ago, rabas said:
The non market cases pre date the market cases. The presumed patient 0 for all 41 was identified December 1, never went to the market, and had no contact with those who did. Another issue the Chinese initially lied about. Later leaked documents showed the earliest known case was from November 17.
Combining all the information, is seems more plausible that someone in the lab was the first to be infected.
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9 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:So what? Coronaviruses exist for a very long time and are studied and examined by many researchers for a long time. Just look and you will find and find and find. Almost all of them are harmless for us, fortunately.
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“The team notes that additional studies will be necessary to determine if the newfound coronaviruses have 'the potential for transmission across species to better understand the risks to human health'. “
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Two articles in one below. First one shows the Chinese scientist called Batwoman (see photo below). She seems genuine, but naive, when she says that she has checked the records and swears with her life that the virus did not come from lab ... a bit like saying in BritEng: “God’s honest truth” or “I swear on my children’s lives”. ... yeah, right!
The second article, by different Mail journalists, is more damning.
“According to documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday, scientists there experimented on bats as part of a project funded by the US National Institutes of Health, which continues to licence the Wuhan laboratory to receive American money for experiments.”The US funding to Wuhan lab totalled, apparently, $3.7 million.
“US Congressman Matt Gaetz said: 'I'm disgusted to learn that for years the US government has been funding dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute, which may have contributed to the global spread of coronavirus, and research at other labs in China that have virtually no oversight from US authorities.' ”One expert says that although Wuhan was supposed to be level 4 (highest level), in reality it was on level 2 in terms of security and safety. Although the lab did not create the virus, its laxity meant the virus was able to escape from there while being analysed.
Also 13 of the first 41 people infected in Wuhan did not catch it from the market!
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28 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:Looks like the US is fighting back in the PR campaign against China's PR ...oh this should be interesting, but alas will not gain traction....
This has been going on for some time in the background.Here are some earlier articles to read, if you’re interested. The Chinese Ambassador to UK’s letter to Mail on Sunday is included.
And here is an article about someone who is no longer considered orthodox by US State Department because of his concerns, over many decades, that viruses are being developed as bioweapons:
Previously, the Daily Mail’s view on coronavirus had been fairly standard. In many of its articles it always repeated the following standard background information:
“A study by the Wuhan Institute of Virology, published in February 2020 in the scientific journal Nature, found that the genetic make-up virus samples found in patients in China is 96 per cent identical to a coronavirus they found in bats.However, there were not many bats at the market so scientists say it was likely there was an animal which acted as a middle-man, contracting it from a bat before then transmitting it to a human. It has not yet been confirmed what type of animal this was.
Dr Michael Skinner, a virologist at Imperial College London, was not involved with the research but said: 'The discovery definitely places the origin of nCoV in bats in China.
'We still do not know whether another species served as an intermediate host to amplify the virus, and possibly even to bring it to the market, nor what species that host might have been.' “
But the scientists can’t identify the intermediate animal. So may be that’s because there is no middle animal.
An alternative theory is therefore it came from the Wuhan research lab
If you consider the geographical size of China, why did they choose to build their first Level 4 (highest level) research lab near Wuhan which is not a small country village; as a city, it it is bigger than London?
The answer may be because they wanted easy access to the bacteria attached to the exotic animal market in Wuhan.
Until the scientists can produce the middle animal that passed the virus from bats to humans, then it is not unreasonable to seriously consider an alternative reason for this crisis. The security at the research lab was sloppy and the virus leaked out.
Anyway, the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday now seem to believe it was human sloppiness in the lab rather than an animal acting as intermediary between bats and humans, hence the letter from the Chinese Ambassador to the UK
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The US State Department “voiced concern over a lack of safety protocols and the biosafety of the lab's research on coronavirus in animals like bats and warned that if cautionary steps weren't taken, the lab's research could spark a SARS-like outbreak.”
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“Smoking marijuana daily has been shown to damage the lungs to the point that the organs resemble someone with chronic obstructive lung disease (COPD).
It's well-known that those with chronic lung diseases, such as COPD, are among the most at risk of suffering severe complications from coronavirus.”
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“The forensic worker was infected in Bangkok in what is thought to be the first such case anywhere in the world.” -
“Professor and microbiologists Gertjan Medema worked on the study in Amersfoort, in the Netherlands and said tests from one sewage plant could potentially represent one million people.”
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You could knit your own face masks and you’d be doing the medical community a favour.
“The athlete told fans to use 'whatever' they had to fashion themselves a face mask, after experts urged the public to not purchase masks, as medical staff and immunocompromised people were running low around the world. “
A male corona virus patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose.
A young student nurse appears and gives him a partial sponge bath.
"Nurse,"' he mumbles from behind the mask, "are my testicles black?"
Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don't know, Sir. I'm only here to wash your upper body and feet."
He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, please check for me. Are my testicles black?"
Concerned that he might elevate his blood pressure and heart rate from worrying about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and pulls back the covers.
She raises his gown, holds his manhood in one hand and his testicles gently in the other.
She looks very closely and says, "There's nothing wrong with them, Sir. They look fine."
The man slowly pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her, and says very slowly, "Thank you very much. That was wonderful. Now listen very, very closely:
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Oh dear, if only this poor lady had been reading this thread, she would have known how to make a proper coronavirus face mask.
Just as well she used her knickers/panties. If she had cut her bra in half to make a face mask instead, they would have said she looked a right tit.
BTW, who sits behind a desk in a bank, wearing a mask?
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Even the US Surgeon, Dr Jerome Adams, wants to show people how to make their own face masks from old T shirts and rubber bands. This is because there is a shortage of face masks to buy in shops.
so don’t take any risks. If you can’t buy a face mask, then make your own.
In my own case in Thailand, I could not buy face mask in shop. The Thai manager at the resort where I am staying offered to order a box of masks for me. I agreed but the box cost 760 baht.
i hadn’t worn masks from the beginning, because I was not convinced they would stop the disease spreading. However, I found that Thais are suspicious of farang who don’t wear mask. Also 7-11s and shopping food malls now require you to wear a mask.
I have got used to wearing the mask when I am on my motorbike or when I go into shops. I wisH now that I had bought a face mask from the beginning. 760 baht is a lot of money for me. I didn’t know at that time it was ok to make your own using T shirts or towels.
So this thread is to help people make their own masks and so avoid hefty sum of 760 baht.Indeed, coronavirus face masks can cause all sorts of problems in personal relationships, as shown by this old story, which you have probably heard many times before!
A guy tries to rob a bank
A guy walks into a sperm bank with a coronavirus face mask and a gun and shouts "Everyone on the floor, now! Anyone who moves gets shot full of lead!"
He walks to the terrified receptionist and tells her to fill a bag with all the money they got.
"Buy sir," she says, "this is a sperm bank. We don't keep cash here."
"Don't lie to me! It says Bank on the front. Now fill that bag or I'm gonna kill ya!"
The receptionist opens the safe behind her to show shelves upon shelves with containers filled with sperm.
"You're somehow trying to fool me. I know it!" shouted the robber, "If it's really sperm I want to see you drink it".
The receptionist, scared for her life, opens a container and swallows it in a couple of gulps.
"I still don't buy it! Do another one". This goes on until the receptionist had swallowed 10 containers filled with sperm.
The robber than removes his mask, and to her surprise she sees that it's was her husband all along!
"You see honey? I told you you could do it if you only tried."
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Or maybe you could use an old pair of thongs as your face mask (perhaps your girlfriend will let you use hers):
it might remind you of a very old joke:
Tom and Jerry were both laid off, so they went to the unemployment office. When asked his occupation, Tom answered, 'Panty Thong Stitcher.. I sew elastic onto ladies' panties and thongs..'
The clerk looked up Panty Thong Stitcher on his computer and, finding it classified as unskilled labour, he gave him £80 a week unemployment pay.
Jerry was next in and when asked his occupation replied, 'Diesel Fitter.'
Since a diesel fitter was a skilled job, the clerk gave Jerry £160 a week.
When Tom found out, he was furious. He stormed back into the office to find out why his friend and co-worker was collecting double his pay.
The clerk explained: 'Panty Thong Stitchers are unskilled labour, and Diesel Fitters are skilled labour.'
'What skill?' yelled Tom. 'I sew elastic on panties and thongs, then Jerry puts 'em over his head and says: 'Yep, diesel fitter.' -
Busty Blanca Blanco shows you how to make a chic leopard print face mask in 15 minutes and it for no more than $5. Unfortunately, you have to look at the photos several times, because your attention gets diverted by her push up cleavage.
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45 minutes ago, darksidedog said:You have to treat this as good news. Yes, I know there are probably more cases out there, but from the perspective that the government has been saying it would only ramp up restrictions if the figures got worse, we can at least hope for some sense of normality to return, as opposed to things getting tighter.
Isn’t the problem though that Songkran is nearly here?! People will want to mass together and get close to each other and get drunk and drive their motorbikes and cars. This year not only lots of RTAs with deaths and injuries and visits to hospital, but all the congregating in large numbers will be an opportunity for the virus to spread itself around.The question is if there is lockdown over Songkran, how quickly will it be lifted afterwards, bearing in mind the low infection rates and death numbers. 3 deaths from coronavirus, whereas the daily rate for deaths on the road is about 47, yet the government does little to force people to drive more carefully and responsibly.
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Class action for 40 countries against China for trillions of dollars for corona virus negligence
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“The lawyers will argue that Beijing’s negligence and reckless behaviour was so bad that, as with terrorism, the state cannot hide behind sovereign immunity.
‘China will fight it tooth and nail. If proved negligent, it would be catastrophe for them,’ “
“Three years ago, the firm won a $1.2 billion (£960 million) case against China over the manufacture of defective building materials.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233199/US-lawyers-sue-China-TRILLIONS-dollars-accuse-Beijing-coronavirus-negligence.html