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It's all about enforcement.

Yes, but who is going to enforce that the enforcers do their job?

Also, why do traffic police only make checkpoints and never actually patrol the roads?

Everybody knows where the checkpoints are. And the checkpoints don't catch speeders or reckless drivers. And they rarely stop cars for anything.

I don't see any change in the foreseeable future.

On 7/4/2019 at 7:24 AM, rkidlad said:

The number one reason I don’t drink drive is because there’s a good chance I could hurt or kill someone. The second most important reason is I know I would go to prison if I did. Very simple. I have a moral code and I know the law. 

 

This man should be in prison. He took the lives of two people all because he wanted to drive his car when drunk. Make him pay the money and serve his time. 

 

If you don’t wanna go to prison for vehicular manslaughter, don’t drink and drive. If you think that’s unfair, go ahead and do it. You can think about how unfair it is while you’re in prison. 

 

Two people are dead and a girl is orphaned all because of a complete act of selfishness. I don’t want any drunk drivers on the roads. 

100% agree. 

Allowing this guy to just pay and move on with life as usual is not a strong enough deterrent. He will drink and drive again. Maybe he will be more "careful" the next time. But I doubt it.

3 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

I’m all for the clean police reports. Technically there probably is very little actual prostitution in the bars. It may take place outside of the bars, but there would usually not be witnesses since it would only be between the two adults in a private location. 

We also know a bar fine is to compensate the bar for taking the girl out of the bar, since she could be getting drinks bought, and that the payment is not for sex. 

Anyway, I’m hopefully Pattaya won’t change in that regard, I like it just how it is. 

What other job accepts a fine for leaving the job like that?

On 7/2/2019 at 8:17 AM, RJRS1301 said:

Perhaps it could come as "Restorative Justice",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice

 

It is often used in "cultural" situations across the globe

 

It is used in conjunction with legal system, not instead of

Interesting read.

They emphasize preventing the offender from causing future harm and say that it works. If true, I'm all for it. But I doubt it. 

See, in some types of crimes, such a robbery, locking someone up just makes them more hardened criminals. So in those cases restorative justice might have a better chance of preventing them from causing future harm.

But, in a case like this I'm not sure.

The difference between say a robbery and this drunk driver is that the drunk driver never intended to hurt anyone. This puts the two in very different categories and I bet different approaches to prevent future harm are required.

Am I making sense? You still think restorative justice makes sense even for the wealthy drunk driver who thinks he is above the law? And will continue to think so once he paid his way out?

I also don't like how the restorative justice article says that the opposite to restorative justice is retribution. I think you should put some people in jail not for retribution itself but for preventing them from doing further crimes. Crime prevention. Deterrent.

Another key element in drunk driving cases specifically is wether the offender is a alcoholic/addict or not. An addict requires a different treatment in terms of preventing further harm. Throwing them in jail and ruining their lives will probably have them come out drinking again unless they receive therapy in jail.. but some would also take the opportunity to become clean... But coming out of jail to a ruined life gives lots of incentives to start drinking again. Loss of job, reputation, income, spouse, etc..

1 hour ago, FredGallaher said:

Some of those on limited budgets will be effected most. If your contribution is to warm a bar stool you wont be missed. 

The bar owner will miss them? No?

8 hours ago, Traubert said:

It's biometrical data on people who pass through Thai immigration.

 

If those people are Chinese, I can assure you that the Chinese already have that data.

 

Of what possible use would the rest be to China?  The off-chance that they might, at some time, visit China?

 

As a non-sequitur I don't think I've ever seen a better one, and rest assured, there's been an unbeatable amount of <deleted> spouted on this thread already.

Use your imagination. 

Or when imagination fails. Use Google.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_activity_abroad

8 hours ago, Mel52 said:

 

Lots of countries share information yeah I’m sure China and Thailand probably does but that’s not how biometrics works at all. In my old job I had a very long class about biometrics back in 2006 because of the nature of my career, biometrics caused some challenges for us in my old job so I know something about biometrics but I’m no expert and I’m sure there have probably been a lot of changes and upgrades since I retired in 2014. If I were to explain exactly how biometrics works in different countries I’d be writing a book on here. Plus the class I had on biometrics was classified anyway.

 

Ok, that's pretty cool. I have no idea about biometrics specifically.

But there has to be some type of searchable or accessible database system. I bet china is paying to get access to this.

And yes, other countries do this as well. For example Sweden sells it's internet wiretapping (FRA) to the NSA etc.

Now technicalities aside, I think it's plausible to say that the Chinese sold this system to Thailand for a fraction of the quoted cost. The rest went into pockets of the unmentionables and china wins by having access to this data in whatever technically possible way there is.

I bet china has access to this database. Any takers against?

11 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

 Other than banning those chemicals and enforcing the ban, there is nothing to be done about it. Farmers here will continue to do what they do. No sense of caution or empathy. Unless of course they can be shown there is more money to be made organically. Most farmers here learn about how and what to spray from their dad, uncle, neighbor. None of them have been through a course. They wrap a cloth around their face to spray but use bare hands on the nozzle. My father in law sprays for neighbors, does it for days on end. No precautions, done it for years. This year he has hardly been off the couch, for health issues.

"more money to be made organically" you mean paying for a "organic farming certificate" or whatever its called and then continuing to use the same methods as before and slapping an "organic" sticker on the packaging? yeah, i'm sure that will make things better here.

The problem is corruption, thai society is almost completely corrupt from all the way at the top to ALL the way to the bottom. 

6 minutes ago, Trexpat said:

Speechless, I really do not know what to make of this. What happens now when social media starts publishing more evidence of this going on. 

 

One thought crosses my mind, do the sacked Police get the 'deposits' back they paid to secure these positions?

No but they get to keep the profits.. nobody wants to open that can of worms.

2 hours ago, nightfox said:

Police chief transferred for allowing prostitution in Pattaya, foreign bar

You cant make this stuff up lol.....Its not April fools is it?

Let's hope they don't start an investigation into why he was allowing prostitution. Might uncover lots of "inaccuracies" in the accounting department if they did.

4 hours ago, rkidlad said:

But who's monitoring bent immigration officers? 

That job was on big joke and it didn't work out so well for him. 

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

That sounds unlikely. Chinese tourists are usually in large groups being herded around and stay together. More likely Japanese, Korean, maybe HK and Taiwan or Singaporean Chinese. 

Yeah I was surprised too. My friend could ofcourse me misinformed regarding the Chinese taking all the pretty girls. But he would not be misinformed about the prices going up 2x 3x. This is firsthand experience and he goes there every year.

In other news: foreigners forced to pay the fee for thais not reporting their whereabouts 4444 times just last week.

13 hours ago, Cobby said:

The one question I ask is why now 

or why full stop 

the Chinese all arrive by bus 

also most of the Indians 

most of Europe Australia and America have stopped coming and now go to other Asian countries where they are welcomed and Te exchange rate is so much better than the inflated Thai bht

i have visited and lived in Thailand for the last 20 years this is the worst period in that time I have ever experienced I feel so sorry for the average Thai having to suffer with the lack of tourist who spend money with them 

Pattaya is like a ghost town now empty bars empty shops empty streets  so sad for once a fantastic country country ????????

 

 

 

My friend was just there and he said all the pretty girls were taken by Chinese tourists and they all charged 2x 3x the usual prices. Seems like the girls are thriving?

Why would people go to pattaya? The beaches are super dirty right? cant swim without getting hiv?

There's no prostitution?

What is the attraction?

5 hours ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

How can a government show such incompetence over one small issue?

By the time that this is all sorted out the law will be so watered down that it would be useless.

In the meantime, genuine patients will suffer and die in agony, unless one of the big wigs get some form of ailment with which cannabis oil will beneficial to themselves.

 

Despite being promised a New Year Present the Thai people are still waiting for the wrapping paper to be ripped away.

It would appear to be a case of 'The law giveth and the law taketh away'.

 

Have they shown competence on any issue whatsoever ever?

9 hours ago, apophyss said:

EVERY weeks Thailand make news like a first april,

but it's no a joke !

 

When they will understrand they looks so stupid for all the world ?

It's a display of power. They know that nobody believes them but they don't care because they are running a dictatorship and they can do what they want and say what they want and nobody can do anything about it.

U can laugh at them but they are the ones laughing while robbing the country blind.

I just adjusted my tinfoil hat and realized this has two intentions.

1. Show that the military is still in power.

2. Show that the military makes up whatever they want whenever they want and nobody can question them.

The 2nd point is interesting, it's like a display of power. in a weird way. yes, on the surface they look ridiculous. but the fact that they get away with being this ridiculous is showing that they have a lot of power. 

This is beyond strange, i mean, my mind is literally melting just thinking about this... like.. i cant even begin to address this. .. no hope for these people... no hope at all.

Corruption and incompetence, nice combo