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5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Some welcome !, why does Thailand keep shooting itself in the foot,

surely there's enough tourists around for everyone to make a living,

There will never be a real public transport system in Chiang Mai,as

the Tuk-Tuk ,and Red truck drivers will not allow it,and this has been

going on for years.

regards worgeordie

There is regular cabs but they charge pretty ridiculous fees. Almost Phuket/Samui levels ....

Grab is the way to go.... Usually no problem ...

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Why misinterpret the post. I said in respect of condos all rooms would be taken into account meaning that a licence would be required so unless the the building in its entirety held a hotel licence, a 1 day booking would not be allowed.

Many small properties with only a couple of rooms are exempt from the hotel licence and 1 day bookings are perfectly legal but the whole thing gets distorted by the condo ruling.

Earlier this year I had an Airbnb booking in a condo in Hua Hin, it was owned by a Thai and I think he owned a few in the building. The condo building was attached to a hotel with shared facilities but I do not know if the hotel licence covered the condo units or not, unlikely. If there was any law being broken it was on the part of the host not conforming with local laws, nothing to do with Airbnb or the guests..

In the time I was there I doubt if I saw a dozen people. The bar had been closed down, obviously for some time and the gym looked like it was going to follow suit. I have seen it in other parts of the world where unused units get let out by the management to holiday companies and you end up with the same sort of guest that everyone objects to.

I agree it's the host breaking the law.

Airbnb could be argued as being complicit or aiding in breaking the law. Thai government could force Airbnb to ensure that everyone has a hotel license when renting below 30 days.

It could also be that the host is forced to agree with Airbnb that the host is responsible for following the law in respective country etc. I bet Airbnb has this somewhere in terms / agreements.

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

This makes you the one that is ill informed. Your words. "Only one post mentions the real problem with Airbnb. "

 

 

 

Yes, I stand by that. Just because your mind can't fathom something having a real problem while also being good at the same time doesn't mean I'm uninformed. It just means you're kind of simple minded.

Yes, some Airbnb hosts cause nightmare for neighbors (the real problem). Some do not (not a problem). Please try to squeeze both these ideas into that skull of yours.

They are not contradicting each other.

Collection of stories from neighbors to Airbnb hosts .. most seem to be for bigger units / houses... https://www.airbnbhell.com/airbnb-neighbor-stories/

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

So why make ill informed posts?

If u wanna get informed, Google airbnbhell. There's an entire site dedicated to these stories.

I didn't need to read a bunch of stories ... It's so obvious that bigger units will attract some party ppl ... 

If you can't comprehend this you are probably braindamaged 

1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said:

Yeah everyone wants people spitting all around their house, footprints on the toilet seat and smelly heaps in the back yard.

Didn't say it was good or bad. Just said numbers are coming.

If u want my personal opinion I hope they demolish the airport and ban all Chinese tourists ????

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

So why make ill informed posts?

If you think some Airbnb rentals don't cause noise disturbance and living hell for neighbors then you are ill informed.

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Tar everyone with the same brush why don't you.

We go away as a family and prefer to stay in inclusive accommodation. Disruptive guests are a local management problem, nothing to do with Airbnb. "obnoxious holiday makers" is a global problem, and hardly confined to Airbnb, learn to deal with it as others have.

This whole saga is being blown out of proportion by angry condo owners. It may come as a surprise to you but there is a lot more to Airbnb than condos in Thailand.

I had Airbnb host as neighbor before. Never had problems 

1 hour ago, catman20 said:

ok Tommy i hear you and from what ive herd recently on you tube about the things you mention i think your spot on. its a disgrace.

It may be true what you say about Islam and how they view women.

But most Muslims are regular ppl that have empathy for women and wouldn't rape anyone. They know right from wrong and they don't take religion seriously.... Just saying.

1 minute ago, Ulic said:

I am not a big drinker, and I don't go out that often, but I have been stopped

while riding my scooter and asked to blow, three times in the last 8 weeks or so.

(A funny handheld device that reminded me of my airconditioner remote) No issues,

I had not been drinking. The police seemed to have a puzzled look on there faces

when they viewed the result. But make no mistake, the police are out in force checking

drivers for DUI. (Driving under the influence) 

Where do you live? 

27 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Not enough and must be on TV they show nothing at LTO. Only phone games. We need heads removed and arms 

Better to hit them in the wallet with higher fines across the board.

They fear having to pay.

2 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Pitiful add. Cheap and not nasty enough. Had no hits and won't achieve a thing. They need to Australia a adds. Put fear into these gooses 

They do show a bunch of crashes during the driving license education.. also I'm pretty sure all Thai ppl have friends and relatives that has been in accidents and whatnot.. 

5 minutes ago, Ceruhe said:

Is there any evidence that proves this? I mean, do we have stats if more drunks or sober people actually died during/after accident? Maybe being drunk has higher odds of an accident but lower chance of death, while sober is the opposite....

 

Not sure if drunk or sober even matters here, looks same same but different to me.

Yes, there has been different stats about this the past few years. Alcohol is a big factor (same worldwide) another one is speeding.

7 minutes ago, DavisH said:

How can anyone NOT be aware of the death and mayhem on the roads here? Do they really need an advertisement? Put it down to karma, they say. If you gonna die you gonna die; nothing can stop it (apparently even modifying one's behaviour).

Dear leader even went so far as to say that they have tried everything and that it's impossible to fix. Ofcourse they didn't try to reform traffic police and they didn't try increasing the fines/penalties.

Is he incompetent or does he just not care? Who knows.. but he has the blood of thousands of innocent lives on his hands IMHO.

1 minute ago, bluesofa said:

Agreed about politicians being corrupt.

However, what's the link with "family members and copying videos"? Have I missed something - do you have some more info about this?

The news article mentions the video producer, but I didn't see any mention of any connection to any government department?

 

Well, i have no idea about this video in particular. 

I thought it was produced by the government. I mean, the government hired the producer and told him to do.

What has family to do with it? The ppl in power, they put family and friends in positions they have no business being in. And they keep coming up with these stupid ideas instead of doing the obvious thing which is increased penalties and enforcement..

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

 

 

It does seem to be Thais, as looking at the info on the youtube video, (Published on 19 Dec 2017) Sermsin Samalapa, the producer says (in Thai, as well as English):

"With everyone’s contribution to the anti drunk driving campaign this New Year holiday, the number of road accidents were lowered by 203, followed by 201 less injuries, and 69 less casualties."

 

 

Perhaps it's because most Thais recognise the Jingle Bells (or Jinger Ben) music and associate it with Christmas - or more importantly - the new year?

 

No idea to why the lyrics are in English though.

 

Good question about why it's in English.. probably the ppl making these decisions are so inbred into their small Elite circles where it's been popular to throw in a few English words here and there. They have no clue or care for normal Thai ppl. 

Could also be intended as a face saving signal to the outside world.. "look we are doing something! Aren't we clever??"

54 minutes ago, aussie11950 said:

Yes and cherry picking what is really the cause of the accident will be cheaper for the government..

The cause is actually not drunk driving, but non policing of the roads, and that allows people to drink and drive with impunity.

Police the roads and the road toll will come down.

Effective driver education would help too.

Teach the Thai drivers to turn right without cutting across the road.

Not to overtake unbroken yellow lines.

Not to turn left until its safe to do so.

The list is endless.

So the easiest and cheapest solution for the government to reduce the disgusting road toll, is to just copy a video, that will have very little effect.

They know best, with blinkers on.

Very sad.

Agreed. 

Can we go even deeper and blame corruption?

The cops are corrupt and lazy.

The politicians are corrupt and lazy. Putting their inbred family members on positions to take action but instead they copy videos...

1 minute ago, Classic Ray said:

Given that the majority of deaths are suffered by, and in many cases caused by, motorcyclists, the real message should be directed at them.

 

Some partially edited scenes of real crashes and their aftermath including scarred and crippled victims might be needed to emphasize that helmets and proper protective clothing are necessary and that motorcyclists are the most vulnerable vehicle users and not just on highways.

 

The last one I saw was in the middle of Chiang Mai involving a lady left crushed to death under her bike, with her morning jok meal still hanging from the handlebars.

 

Advice for car and truck drivers in the same campaign about the vulnerability of motorcyclists and pedestrians may help to reverse the Me First and biggest is best attitude prevalent here.

Everything you say is true. Yet I feel like when I'm driving a motorbike I'm not worried about the other motorbikes. It's the reckless car/truck/minivan drivers that scare me.... 

When I drive my car I'm more worried about hitting idiot motorbike drivers... 

I think the blame is on everyone... Almost nobody respects the road rules.. but it's the 5-10% that are doing the extremely reckless and dangerous high speed manoeuvers that are the problem... And it's spread among all vehicle types... But ofcourse, death rate is higher for motorbikes because they have no protection.

At least they are trying but to focus on new year is just wrong. The road deaths during new year is just slightly higher than average..

13 minutes ago, clokwise said:

I live in fairly remote, small, moobaan, lots of trees, friendly people, quiet. In the last 2 years I've seen every other house that goes up for sale is bought by Chinese and immediately turned into daily rentals. Now we have droves of silver vans coming and going, Chinese walking about the area yapping at high volumes and peeking over our fence. One friend of ours, living next to one of those houses, has moved out because of the constant 24/7 noise. Tourists have no business staying way out here, there's literally nothing out here except residential houses and families. They are slowly destroying our community. They aren't using AirBnB, it's some Chinese website, so it may be much harder to crack down on them, if at all. Some of the neighbors have gotten together and discussed the problem, and we plan to write a letter to the authorities about the properties in question once the law is settled. We want them out.

 

The law is on your side. Because they need a hotel license to rent less than 30 days.

Try to befriend the Chinese tourists and ask what app they use and ask how long they are staying and try to get it documented somehow.

You may need to pay some tea money to get cops to come every time new tourists arrives to document the repeated abuse.. then they will build a case and fine the host and hopefully you can get some compensation... It's gonna cost you but hopefully you get some of the money back in form of compensation...

Get the cops to make the tourists show their rental agreement. If it's below 30 days that's a fine for the host immediately. Unless host has hotel license. Doubt that.

Or befriend the guests (bring a couple of bottles of whiskey) and ask them about the app and take photos of the rental agreement. Bring to police station.

9 minutes ago, Shocked farang said:

Airbnb cannot be avoided. It completely falls under the radar. I have recently had a great experience renting a condo for about a week using Airbnb. Nobody in the building knew I was an Airbnb customer except the receptionist who receives a fee because she is responsible for the cleaning and for giving the keys to the customer. Unless there's an explicit law forbidding Airbnb in Thailand, these hotels should be stepping up their investments in order to compete with Airbnb. 

It's gonna become illegal if it isn't already. https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1467442/airbnb-bookings-illegal-court-declares

There is a loophole with mock 30 day contracts. But any resilient and motivated neighbor would have easy time to document the systematic crime and Sue the shit out of the host.

Neighbors to Airbnb hosts probably are pissed. At least some of them. Just look at those insane farangs in Pattaya that went without shirts to confront the noisy Mechanic shop in the news recently.. some peope go insane when they have noisy neighbors...imagine what a higher iq neighbor would do...

I think I had an Airbnb host has neighbor before. But it was for a tiny tiny one bedroom condo so there was never any noise...  Those will continue going under the radar because as long as nobody complains it's all good.. but bigger condos / houses will have lots of parties and noise and this means motivated neighbors going to police.

18 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

 

What about them? Statistics can tell you any thing you want.. What I can say for a fact is that hotel building and making of places has far exceeded the demand. The great Chinese inundation has been touted and happening, but as usual for Thailand the numbers might be, inflated shall we say ...  BUT BUT  How can that be, well it be ..... I suspect a lot of people have bought in to this as what else do you do with the property? "Lets make a hotel" 

The arbnb kerfobble is directly related to this. Even more places to stay when the market is saturated. 

Hey Don't believe me- Come up to Chiang Mai and check it out yourself.
 

And there you have them  actually saying it - This glut of rooms and the threat of AirBnB sucking tourists away from the cities is a major concern - 

I live in cm and I know how empty most condo buildings are. I know how easy it is to find accomodations.

What I'm saying is that the Chinese middle class is growing and the Chinese tourists Will continue to grow. So long term investors (hotel owners) count on this. They might take an L in the short term but over time they will make a profit.

Numbers are probably inflated. But growth prediction is probably not. 

2 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

 

Diversify my hind quarters. The authors stated the one true fact at the end with little comment

 

 

There are already far more hotels, GH, Hostels, Boutique Hotels than the market in Chiang Mai can justify and now you add ArBnb?  This has happened in the last 5 years also. There seems to be nothing else to do than build condos and hotels. The thinking seems to be if you build it they will come. I walk through the old town and their are nice old places, empty and nice new Boutique hotels with nary a soul using them. Low season sure but there were never enough tourists here in high season to justify this madness. It is gong to be interesting to see how many can survive after the coming high season and how many go under. 

What about the Chinese hords? They estimate it's just gonna get worse every year. Airport expanding. Second airport being fast tracked / on the way. They estimate 20 million tourists by 2030?

1 minute ago, moe666 said:

in the end I may love spending a few nights in the country but in the end I love a bit of night life as well try getting a ride back to say hang dong at 12 midnight you may have a problem or feel like you have been ripped off after arriving back at your AbnB in the middle of no where

Use grab. Works 24/7. Never paid more than 180 THB from town to hang dong.