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The numbers are way down. On both sides. The dems are frightening the majority with autocratic rule. The Shins have disappointed everyone, including their own constituents.

A contract seems like a good idea, if people sign it and are legally bound to adhere.

The devil is in the details. I for one hope they solve this with all concerned having a say in policy. Both sides are very far from the Middle Way that the Lord Buddha espoused. The see saw is broken, and it seems neither side wants balance.

Stop this stonewalling, please. People are going to get hurt if you cannot compromise.

This is one of the most balanced and with most common sense posts I read in last two months here.

Compromise is the only way to go out of this situation, and serious commitment to make reforms to make everyone in Thailand have same rights, and make democracy works at its best. Not democrazy like it is now.

Hatred and threats (by both sides) just make the country goes one step toward the abyss...

My kudos to you.

Thailand needs some reasonable, level headed people to be part of this reform process, Suthep and his bloodthirsty zombie sheep are the most unbalanced segment of Thai political society, they should be banned from any politcal contribution until they can calm down and behave like adults.

I have quite a few friends attending the current protests. They are not fans of Suthep, but want changes. And they are hardly bloodthirsty nor zombie sheep.

I guess Moonao was referring to leaders of protest and security/extremist thugs participating at protests. Sure the majority is just tired of the actual situation and protest in opportune way.

But the hatred, the strong words, the verbal violence and the absurd requests of Suthep, sure don't help the movement.

I myself, agree with the general motives of protests, but totally against Suthep's Inc. ways.

So sorry for Abhisit and Korn, I would like to see someone with modern ideas and with skill for reform Thai politics, but IMHO they should not side with that fanatic S.

I hope reason will prevail and reforms will be done (not from PTP, because they will never do), but I feel like a chance have been lost already when Abhisit was PM... Now will be so hard, too hard,

^ i think abhisit and korn (and any other reasonable people among the democrats) should consider making a fresh start away from all the robber barons and other various shysters

this is 2013 and with the power of the media (especially social media) it wouldn't take long to establish themselves if they offer what the majority of thai people really want (albeit subconsciously)... i.e. a modern positive forward-looking and non-divisive democratic government with sensible economic policies to achieve equity for all thais (regardless of shirt colour)

I totally agree with you. This country and these times, need balanced people that can make reforms for avoid that game of power like this we are watching now and these we watched in last 7 years will go on.

Abhisit and Korn are respectable and with a good background for do that, as long they are not mixed with Benito wannabes.

If they can cut their relationship with who doesn't need the good for Thailand but for themselves, they are a good base to begin with.

I would still like to know how Cartalucci's opinion is truth and wisdom, and Nostitz's one was considered red propaganda.

If we still have some balance we would say they are the two paladin's of two sides. Both of them based in Bangkok, both of them biased in the opposite direction. Nothing more than that.

It's not Cartalucci's opinion, it's the facts and the links he provides which actually back up what he says. Follow the links and read it. Or post the counter argument if you think he is making stories up.

If you like, you can search my previous posts, have plenty of facts and links that proves he is just doing the dirty job as the other biased press do in this country.

By the way, I am not telling he is wrong, but as in all biased articles, he shows only a face of the medal, and never got to write anything against Suthep.

From here my comment...

Telling he is biased is different to tell he is a liar.

All in the name of undemocratic democracy by an anti-corruption corrupt leader.

And Farangs actually support this joke.

Farangs are also supporting Thaksin while his populist policies are crippling the country. Shit happens I guess.

Yes, the tragedy is an educated foreigner who can support any of the two sides.

the news is, this article is from "Tue Dec 3, 2013 6:21PM GMT".

it comes from the iranian government news agency based in tehran - the bastion of democracy.

thanx very much for heads up, editors, and for my lost time

Nonsense ! The fact that it comes from an Iranian website is irrelevant. It comes from a journalist based in Bangkok and reiterates what the same journalist said on the Landgrabber website. This is the truth from someone who lives here, not some nonce thousands of miles away who can't be bothered to research the facts. It is a very knowledgable and well written article that I believe to be the truth. Keep it up Tony !

I would still like to know how Cartalucci's opinion is truth and wisdom, and Nostitz's one was considered red propaganda.

If we still have some balance we would say they are the two paladin's of two sides. Both of them based in Bangkok, both of them biased in the opposite direction. Nothing more than that.

Tony Cartalucci ??? Who is thsi? A friend of Silvio Berlusconi? Too much alcohol already? Or just to near to Suthep??

Tony Cartalucci is nothing more than the yellow counterpart of the German journalist and photographer that was lynched for weeks on this forum (Nick Nostitz)...

There are lots of articles on the net where you can clearly see his bias

This is doing my head in now.

It changes every bloody couple of hours, they are off, they are on, they are off again.

Get this bunch out and replaced with someone that knows what the hell they want.

This makes Thailand look a joke to the entire world.

Wouldn't it make sense to get rid of the whole lot of corrupt Shizens and re start with people like Korn. No families from any side involved, especially running the job from abroad.

I agree... If only would be possible a reform where any subject involved in corruption or abuse of power would be excluded by politics on a life term, would be a great thing...

But sincerely, I think even my kids in their life will not see that. Sadly.

Post deleted, I changed my mind and I will promise myself that I will try to not feed the trolls and blinds

What a load of horse poop!

Very mature and constructive post...

This article and several of the responses are simply typical of the mentality that pervades this country. Politics create the environment that we all have to co-exist in and Yingluck's son is no different than any other son in this country.However he does represent the fruit of the poisoned tree which is a condition the Shiniwatra's have brought down on their own head through the years of political malfeasance , outright corruption and their masquerade of omnipotence. It is a fact of life that children will always have to bear to some extent as to the actions of their parents .

I see no threat of any consequence being made to this over privileged little lad only that owing to the actions of his parents and her entourage that his environment may well have to change.

For you and all the others that commented:

If you do something wrong at job, and your boss argue at a meeting that if you do that again, your son will have to fell hungry because his dad will be sacked, how you will feel?

For God sake. Put a boy in a freaking political context is a total distortion and out of context.

Then if for you all it's good, no problem. Maybe I am the one that think it was unfair, and totally disgusting. I will keep my idea.

Well, sure the "retired"s will have a voice for Suthep, but they are not appointed besides influent.

And finally there is no speculations about who was behind the "Fool" and why he continued to push on.

We all knew he had an important back up and now we know who are them (or at least we know some of them).

Next move to all the appointed authorities.

Like a chess game, but with well more important and maybe tragic consequences.

@backtonormal, why to put shame on some posters? We all can have ideas... There's nothing to be ashamed of.

And here we go. Now can understand more of who is backing Super Suthep... No wonder!

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/20951.html

Yep, I already read that article, now just they came out at the daylight. Situation becomes more complicated indeed...

Lol, he's a joker worth an Oscar!

He can discredit anyone talking anything different from his idea. If they talk something wrong, is not true! 555+++

Nida... a very impartial source, I'd say!

Try this newcomer :

MORE LIES FROM INTERNATIONAL NEW YORK TIMES

Yawn... I am not interested to read about Thaksin. I am against Thaksin.

I want the crooks like Thaksin and Suthep far from the power in Thailand.

Suthep promised to go out of politics and all his peoples government get a 5 year politics ban after finish their job for 14 month to ensure there is no self serving idea.

Oh my gosh... you are free to believe that. But I see that like a story, like many stories he made in the past, and the ways he avoided prosecution.

So, I don't give him a hint of trust, especially reading his daily rants.

There you idiots go talking about the 'democratically elected' darlings again. Who then proceeded to break laws, piss on the constitution and they couldn't give a rats ass about 'democracy' - until the protestors, now they are hiding behind 'democracy' and the constitution just to try and make it to the 180 day mark and ram through the fugutive's amnesty. Let's have some truth here and less of the bullshit rhetoric, please !

Maybe if you would avoid to insult other posters, someone could go on to read your posts.

But oh well, insult whoever has a different idea from you, classifies you well.

@ newcomer. One could extrapolate from your post that you're satisfied with the former government although you've failed to address how you and tingtonteedood differ in that respect. "Classifies you well" tells me nothing as does the rhetoric in his post which I don't see pointed squarely at you.

Lets try to address the issues . There are many here on the forum who aren't so polarized as the two of you.

I was referring to "idiot" given for free to anyone who has a different idea from him.

I am not polarized and extremist at all, given I wish to see disappear both the Shin clan and Super Suthep.

I am not living here for 30+ years, but enough to tell I am settled down.

I also have family, 2 kids to raise up and hope this country can give them a good future.

Of course I won't move from here, if not forced to do.

(I don't have a visa forever (???) but I would like to have one).

All Suthep is trying to do is make people think he want to do something for Thailand, but sure he still not said a WORD about what he will do in REAL for Thailand, except put his ass on the command chair and try to get all advantages he can, included absolute power.

And don't tell me: if he do that people will protest and he will have to go away. Look at the Shin clan, how long they have been there?

So I respect your opinions, but I sure not agree with them. Plus I feel is funny how you talk with others like they (and me in this case) don't care about Thailand.

I care about it, as I love this country, so: reforms are welcome and necessary. Suthep is a cancer as Thaksin.

I meant not to insinuate that you "don't care about Thailand".

I never said that.

Give this a read and think about it,

Thanks for your reference again, but as I posted you in another place, NIDA is what's most close to Suthep, Yellow Shirts and Democrats. I will pass on it

And I guess we don't have much more to talk about this topic, because it's clear we have totally different ideas and both of us won't change them

Nida... a very impartial source, I'd say!

Try this newcomer :

MORE LIES FROM INTERNATIONAL NEW YORK TIMES

Yawn... I am not interested to read about Thaksin. I am against Thaksin.

I want the crooks like Thaksin and Suthep far from the power in Thailand.

If you want to get stuck on this one point that is immaterial, that's up to you.

Just sayin'. Changing the government will mean changing the people who make up the immigration rules. Don't be surprised if backing Suthep will backfire for Farangs, he isn't exactly all open arms to foreigners. Immigration is the only material point that I relate to, others are Thais own business.

I for one have been here for 30+ years.

I have family and interests here.

I will live here for the rest of my life.

I have a visa forever.

Your problems are your problems.

Thailand's problems are my problems too.

I am not living here for 30+ years, but enough to tell I am settled down.

I also have family, 2 kids to raise up and hope this country can give them a good future.

Of course I won't move from here, if not forced to do.

(I don't have a visa forever (???) but I would like to have one).

All Suthep is trying to do is make people think he want to do something for Thailand, but sure he still not said a WORD about what he will do in REAL for Thailand, except put his ass on the command chair and try to get all advantages he can, included absolute power.

And don't tell me: if he do that people will protest and he will have to go away. Look at the Shin clan, how long they have been there?

So I respect your opinions, but I sure not agree with them. Plus I feel is funny how you talk with others like they (and me in this case) don't care about Thailand.

I care about it, as I love this country, so: reforms are welcome and necessary. Suthep is a cancer as Thaksin.

There you idiots go talking about the 'democratically elected' darlings again. Who then proceeded to break laws, piss on the constitution and they couldn't give a rats ass about 'democracy' - until the protestors, now they are hiding behind 'democracy' and the constitution just to try and make it to the 180 day mark and ram through the fugutive's amnesty. Let's have some truth here and less of the bullshit rhetoric, please !

Maybe if you would avoid to insult other posters, someone could go on to read your posts.

But oh well, insult whoever has a different idea from you, classifies you well.