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So...she says he is responsible, while they say, that she will be responsible, what he also says...okay...2:1 ...so it is her fault....

This really is like watching 5 year old's fighting over toys!

It would be comical, if...

Tragicomical. This is how looks from outside Thai politics and power.

They have the brain level of playschool kids, throwing stones at each other and hiding hands.

Stealing jam and even if caught in the act, they put blame on the other.

I hope this nonsense will be over soon. But I think my hope is vain.

Articles like this show how incompetent, sided and poor is Thai journalism.

Why?

Because "real" journalism would not just repeat mouthpieces and talking points!

Why is no one in the Thai- press actually asking Suthep any questions?

Like, f.e., what exactly are your plans?

It is easy to say "I want to end corruption!".

The question is HOW would you do that?

Even if - for one second- you would forget about who this guy is and how his past looks: I am still missing ANY program to be issued.

Who is on your council of "good people"?

How do you want to reform the social system?

How do you want to reach an equality in education?

How do your reform plans look and what do they include?

Chasing the Shinawathra- Clan out of the country will exactly change...what, when it comes to corruption?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Thai journalist never try to go deep into the news, never try to start a debate with the interviewed. And in this particular case, if he tell why it should be good that Yingluck step down from her caretaker role, he even didn't make the effort to expand the topic explaining what should happen after.

That's the quality of 90% of all articles written on Thai press.

Articles like this show how incompetent, sided and poor is Thai journalism.

So sad for those poor children who had their lives broken for such an evil monster, and their families.

This is one of these cases where lifetime prison is not enough... No mercy for who has such an evil heart.

RT@Aim_NT: Buses, ambulances and taxis decorated with national flag can run on the lane left out from being closed: Suthep.

RT@Aim_NT: Taxis who support (red shirt) Natthawut should go and find passengers outside the city on the day: Suthep

RT@Aim_NT: While tourist vehicles would be allowed on bus lane, govt vehicles are strictly prohibited: Suthep.

so he is now the self proclaimed lord of Bangkok

the ambulances must be decorated with flags....this dude really knows no limits

what if he collapses but the ambulance will not be decorated with flags

I'd add this one too

RT@Aim_NT: Taxis who support (red shirt) Natthawut should go and find passengers outside the city on the day: Suthep

Who is him to prevent Taxi drivers, whichever side he is, to work wherever their license allow them to?

Only a blind can't see the fiery and blind violence in the words of this guy.

Cannot blame what happened to Chiang Mai on Sunday, if then the Supreme Leader speaks like this.

Everyone is too much polarized and I can't see an easy way back.

They will explain what they will be taught at school. Be focused and see how History is taught in Thai educational programs.

Just try to ask to some University students what they know about massacres of 1973, 1976, 1992.

You will be horrified by their answers...

Today I came to know it has to make an upgrade to my son XBOX 360 mod to allow him to play newer games (Or better circa half 2011 on).

My boy went with mom to buy some games and I thought it was just ruined DVD, but after some research, it's very possible that console firmware cannot read XGD3 disks.

I would rush to bring console to MBK tomorrow before next week's lockout, does anyone have an idea of how much it can cost the upgrade?

One of my staff today said maybe have to put a chip and can cost 2,500 THB, but I never listen about modchip referred to XBOX360, only DVD reader firmware that have to be modded.

Any thought?

I feel many people here should have more respect, some insults that are written daily toward anyone (not just police like in this thread, but anyone - anyside) are completely out of the line, inappropriate, and coward.

I would like all of you go to insult police officers, Suthep, Thaksin or the fellows TV posters they enjoy to insult daily in front of their face and try to get away with it.

Why people keep whining and whining about Bangkok's shutdown? What's your problem? You do realize that Suthep's plan is unworkable without support of Bangkokians, don't you? So if Bangkokians want their city to be shut down for a day, so be it. One thing for sure, they didn't want their city burned and turned into battlefield in 2010.

What are you talking about?

What do you mean "what's your problem"? People have to get around; they have to work; they have to go about their daily business. Not everyone spends their day on a barstool with a fat bird in a miniskirt

This isn't a one day-day thing.

They aim to shut the city down for as long as they can get away with it.

If the majority of Bangkokians (Thais) is fine with it, so be it. It is their city and it is their call. As I said, Suthep's plan is unworkable without having the majority of Bangkokians on board.

Maybe we should take a leaf out of a Thai book and shut down the Wall Street and the city of London. That would be a step in the right direction.

I don't really think that the majority of Bangkokians are ok with the shutdown. But even in the remote case it is, what about the others? They have to their lives disrupted because such a criminal action? Do expect tension arise quickly if this nonsense will last more than 2 days. People have to work and to bring salary for take care of families.

And I don't really expect US or UK government allow such a criminal behavior... So the leaf should stay in the (tragic) Thai book.

Prayuth says govt must be held responsible if violence breaks out

BANGKOK: -- Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha said the government would be held responsible if violence happens during the Bangkok Shutdown rally on Monday.

He said the government would be required to take responsibility by the principle if the people clash or kill each other or riote.

He said he hopes that there would be no violence and anyone who causes violence, he or she must be held responsible.

-- The Nation 2014-01-07

"government would be required to take responsibility by the principle if the people clash or kill each other or riote"

then

"government would be required to take responsibility by the principle if the people clash or kill each other or riote"

ergo

Everyone will be responsible! LOL

On a side not it's nice how such similar statements weren't issued back in 2010. But not too much of a surprise.

Totally irresponsible words, from Army leader that clearly shows again he took a side already.

Read the bit in the BP this morning about the end of Sutheps road and agree up to a point.

He has taken this as far as he can and it now needs someone to step in and bring everything together to start a meaningful reform process.

Even the reds believe there needs to be reforms, there will be differences as to just what is needed but there will also be common ground.

For instance, there would be few who would argue that corruption should not be tackled, that education needs improvement, that the law should be implemented equally for all, not one law for the rich and one for the poor.

If common ground is found and tackled first then trust will be built.

Who the one will be to bring people together is up in the air at present as every group are saying 'let the others do it' and of course reforms are against the interests of PT and their controller.

Anyone who believes that reforms can be left till after an election and someone is in POWER is fooling themselves.

There would be endless talkfests, committees and piles of bull and in the end none of the really important things would be tackled.

All of which could only lead to more trouble.

As far as a coup goes: there is no way Suthep needs of wants a coup.

Take a real look at the present situation, who is it who is perpetration the violence, the shootings most nights and now a petrol bomb attack last night.

A third hand , I don't think so, a second is more likely.

I will tell you this for nothing, if Suthep even suggested a coup most of those protesting would walk out pronto.

The vast majority are not there for Suthep they are there for what needs to be done for the good of the country

Look who is it who is courting the army and out asking for their help, come on be on our side please, help us get rid of the protesters.

The one who needs a coup is Thaksin there is now no way he can ever come back without major strife like a civil war that will leave a vacuum, then he can come back as the peacemaker who reunites the country.

The weapons of the armed faction of the reds in 2010 are still out there and there will be those who are willing and able to use them, again.

He has shown in the past that peoples lives mean nothing to him and he will do anything to achieve power.

That's a very good summation of the current status.

A go-between trusted by both sides (difficult but not impossible to find) is needed to get Suthep & a nominee of Thaksin to hold peacemaking talks that provides a written pact - signed by all three - is my 2 satangs worth.

I would love to see that too. To put an end to a bitter situation. But I really see too much hatred on the two sides, that makes this solution very very hard to become true. Sadly,

Another policeman injured from Thai-Japan Stadium, Sergeant Anant Sansopa lost his life yesterday https://www.facebook.com/UDDInternationalNews?fref=ts

Rest in peace. I wish your death was not in vain. You won't be forgotten by your loved ones.

In fairness, there is not a lot of blame being heaped on any violent groups by their own side. The main protagonists are so entrenched in their own little worlds that their supporters can do no wrong (at least publicly).

I don't see this situation getting any better, unfortunately. Even in Thaivisa, when someone comes out with some sensible posts, the toothless armchair warriors are bumping their gums and spitting venom. If such boorish behaviour prevails in TV (as potent as an online version of Narnia), what hope is their in the real world. Anyone who tries to speak out is either ignored, howled down by hyped-up lunatics of whatever hue, or worse, in danger of real harm.

I would love to quote and agree on every single word of this post. Spot on. Kudos for you... +10!

it'd be great to hear some condemnation of violence from fellow supportersn of the various movements, but I suspect we'll be waiting a long time...

I agree.

I don't recall any instance where the alleged non-violent red shirts condemned the violent red shirts, in Chiang Mai or elsewhere.

One could easily surmise by their inaction that they condone the actions of their violent brethren.

Yes, both sides never condemned violence from their violent followers, nor reds, neither yellow. Nor pro-government, neither anti-government.

It seems all of them thinks of opposite faction as "expendable"... And it's so easy just to blame on the other side, hiding the rotten apple well in their baskets. So tragically sad.

Another topic became: you are red, not you are yellow!

It's so boring and discussion level plunged to playschool line.

Would be more easy if everyone would express their opinion without essentially offend everyone else that doesn't agree. Wouldn't be?

Despising any form of violence, I would like anyway remember how many Suthep's supporters here told the Red Shirts going to Rajamangala Stadium tried their luck knowing they were near Ramkhamhaeng University.

Public space there too, but everyone criticized them telling they wanted to provoke violence, choosing the wrong place.

So following that reasoning, the anti-govt did the same going to protest in CM...

My thinking is: everyone should be able to protest in civil way, without fire up the opposite side violence, but this seems impossible in Thailand.

I understand your logical thread, but I feel it is somewhat off mark. The reason is that it is not a geographical issue so much as a time issue. The Red Shirts that descended to Bangkok, bussed in from far afield, where there because there was a peaceful protest going on that they did not agree with - it was a purely confrontational move. I don't know if the Anti-Gov protestors are locals or all the way from Bangkok, but goal is obviously non confrontational, otherwise they would not have changed their route and method of locomotion so much. Again it has been the Red Shirts that have been confrontational. In a democracy people should be allowed to protest peacefully and to be able to hand out leaflets without fear of attack.

We are on the same page, I guess, at least on what we stand for: right to protest (pacifically).

I blamed so much in the past toward yellow mobs back in 2008 and red army in 2010. They both disrupted critical daily activities, and the second bringing extreme violence to rise.

I would instead said that this time Redshirts haven't been that much confrontational till the moment NSPRT leaders decided to bring their protest venue to Ram Uni... I would say that move sounded more confrontational.

Aside that, anyway, is clear that atmosphere is too much tense and hot to expect events to be pacific and relaxing. Unluckily.

Surely they don't really know the word diplomacy, and each of their press conferences shows it clearly. Making them just ridiculous.

But please let's not speak about Gestapo or death penalty. They are not able to keep someone who violated laws in jail, how do you think they are harmful?

Justice minister warns people against joining protest.

Thanks for the warning!

We will still be there.

We? Are you Thai, out of my curiosity...

If not, I strongly suggest you to not join the protests. And with a little of common sense, you would agree with me.

What did they expect? Free food and drinks like at Suthep's Bangkok rally?

If you take a dump in my backyard, don't expect to be treated nicely.

Not a good example, try public space, ya know a place that people can come and go FREELY.

Despising any form of violence, I would like anyway remember how many Suthep's supporters here told the Red Shirts going to Rajamangala Stadium tried their luck knowing they were near Ramkhamhaeng University.

Public space there too, but everyone criticized them telling they wanted to provoke violence, choosing the wrong place.

So following that reasoning, the anti-govt did the same going to protest in CM...

My thinking is: everyone should be able to protest in civil way, without fire up the opposite side violence, but this seems impossible in Thailand.

CM is an open city, the thaksin supporters . in the stadium were there for many days, and for sure it was because of having the uni next door that led to fighting and deaths. a lot different than a small group trying to go down tapae road under a barrage of rocks and bottles. Your right about peaceful protests in a civil way but thats not happening with nightly attacks on protesters in BKK.

I beg to differ, as anti-government people has all the rights to protest in any place, included CM, redshirts had the same rights.

Then things went in another way because here in Thailand (and reading many posts here, sadly is a worldwide trend), if you have an idea be prepared to have someone ready to smash your face because you dared to show it. You are with me, or against me. And violence seems common on both factions.

Said that: I strongly condemn whoever participated in violence yesterday, the day before, and each day since the start of the protest. Whichever side they were by.

Looking more and more like a cult following with each passing day. Any resistance or doubt cast on dear leader is met with a barrage of violence. Shameful, and just where is the Thai version of Ryan Hardy to fight against this evil?

Being blind and blame just one side will not depict the truth.

Both sides are lead by a wannabe dictator, that will only bring Thailand to ruins.

Time will tell us...

Defiantly a lot in what you say.

But what sort of proof have you that Suthep wants to be a dictator. Calling for a government reform under Democracy principals seems far from it to me. I have yet to read where/when/if the council is picked or the election had that he wants to run it. Indeed he has not even entered the elections. It is to late for that.

I was interested in what you meant by time will tell us

Time will tell a lot given enough it will tell us the time of are death.

I agree with you that the one who has years of experience in trying to be a dictator some of them using his sister would definatly bring a lot of misery to Thailand.

The other one who is at the moment and no known record of trying to be a dictator is just trying to bring some much needed reforms to the country.

I don't want to begin again with hijacking a topic explaining why I think Suthep wants to be a dictator but:

- given the fact he did not consider at all election as a way to try to get preference of people

- given the fact he did not give any detail about his "council", and did not give any idea of how he wants to make any reform.

- given the fact of how he speak and fire up people every day

- given the fact he got the liberty to occupy government offices

- given the fact he is doing anything preventing elections to take place

- given many facts more (that I will be not writing to not annoy other users).

it gives me enough hints of what he would like to do with the back up of very influential people.

But this is only my humble opinion. I wish I will be proven wrong.

Playschool kids are more mature than 95% of the people involved in government and protests.

Playschool kids are more mature than 95% of the people cited in the article.