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2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:
Ignoring that Ngozi was at an official function in her official capacity. The wilful blindness around here is astonishing.
... as the head of a charity that only helps black people !
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19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:All sides involved have admitted it was racist behaviour.
Once the charity worker stated she was British that was the end of it.
To say “where do you really come from?” is racism in action.
It's bonkers . When I tell Thais that I am Thai , they immediately ask me where I really come from. Should I be on the telly demanding people get fired and telling people how I feel abused. It's ridiculous.
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With less cash used , people lose the ability to count. Thais were generally not good with mental arithmetic anyway but it has got much worse! People will simply not be able to budget.
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3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:
Never claimed anything would be for my own good or indicated so.
Just pointing out the hyperbolic hysterical claims made by another poster.
Difficult to discuss unless you point out what the actual claims were. So far it seems to be the claim that a cashless society would make us like China. In so far as we might have a health pass, digital ID and CBDC that would make us pretty much the same as the Chinese model but not exactly like China as a country.
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54 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:
Yes it is. Thai businesses choosing to go cashless will not lead to Chinese style government.
Well maybe it depends if you think a Chinese style government is synonymous with a lack of freedom or not. Whether it leads to a one party Communist state or not is irrelevant; you can lose your economic freedom under any type of government. But don't worry it will be for your own good and be ultra-convenient - our governments are well aware that altruism is seen as an attractive quality.
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If banks go bust it will be bail-in rather than bailout. Not too bad if you only have the insurable amount in each bank but bad news if you have over that amount.
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It all depends on your definition of "conspiracy" and just because it is called a "conspiracy" it doesn't mean that it is not true.
It is a plan because it has been going on in Thailand since at least 2019. It isn't exactly secret but then it isn't something the ordinary guy on the street would be reading about.
QuoteThe first of two tracks of the study will assess "the system's efficiency and safety" by "conducting cash-like activities, such as paying for goods and services, within limited areas and scale of approximately 10,000 retail users selected by the bank."
Limited area, limited users and limited services - it is basically a coupon.
It is like having a Boots gift coupon - you won't be able to spend it anywhere other than Boots.
Think about how your gift coupon differs from a thousand baht note.
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Maybe we should differentiate between cards/apps (methods to pay not using cash) and full blown CBDC (virtual money). Cards and apps do provide institutions with data but CBDCs will remove any possibility of privacy (as well as providing lots of data) and it will introduce a monetary system which is programmable.
Some people might think this is great and they live under a benevolent governmental system but others might think differently ! CBDC removes any choice and it is not something anyone voted for.
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24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
Isn't it separate health cards that they have in China ?
Well they have "switched off" their health passes in the past to stop them going to the bank. Once they roll out digital ID's and digital currency it is pretty much game over.
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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:You are not a realist .
Chinese Government controlling its population is a different matter than a cashless society .
You control the money; you control the people.
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15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:
Previous posts from a few days ago...that was just their hyperbolic hysteria going into overdrive.
From what I can see you are just dismissing anything that you don't agree with or don't understand as conspiracy theory and hyperbole. The Chinese are using QR codes/Covid passports as a means of control. To evade testing, quarantine or restriction of movement is pretty much impossible. They seem to already have used this handy app to control protests.
CBDC is programmable, I think most people can see where that would go. No I am not a conspiracy theorist , I am a realist.
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29 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:
We disagree on the poster's claims and their conspiracy theory hysteria.
Do you mean this post?
QuoteThis is what's happening in China. People are forced to take daily tests, and if you test positive or are a no show, your app turns to yellow and you can't go anywhere, can't buy anything, can't enter any place etc. I bet cashless is enjoyed by those Chinese.
If this is the one, I would like to know which part is exaggerated.
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25 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:The poster who began this hyperbolic conspiracy theory hysteria did.
There ends my involvement in this thread.
China was being used as an example of what can happen if a country goes down the route of digital currency and the accompanying social control. Code turns red and you can't go to the bank, store, school or pretty much anywhere. It's a fact , it's not conspiracy. People in other countries need to ask themselves if this is what they want.
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2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:
As you say, they are choosing to do so and by doing so it will not lead to china dominating the world.
I never said it had anything to do with Chinese domination, however the Thai-business elite do have links to China along with other parts of the world. We need to look at who is doing the "choosing" and that would be the business elites who have established monopolies both within countries and across the world. You can pretty much bet that those doing the choosing are going to be those that benefit.
There is also the likelihood that this will be a tiered system which will benefit the corporations. They will probably not be using the same system as the guy on the street.
We should be focused on states controlling their people and that is what CBDC is for . There is then a higher level where countries jostle for influence which involves trade, financial systems etc. things that are difficult for us to control. However those that have a higher level of control over their citizens will probably have an advantage on the world stage to some extent. And no, the government is not your friend!
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1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:Absolutely nothing to do with Thai businesses choosing to use cashless payment.
You really are reaching now.
Conspiracy theory hyperbolic BS to link chinas covid protests with businesses making choices on payment.
Get a grip
It has everything to do with Thai businesses choosing to go cashless. The big driving forces behind CBDC's and cashless payments in Thailand are the big Thai-Chinese corporations (True, CP, Chang, Central, big banks etc). Thailand may pay lip service to small business but in reality it couldn't give a toss.
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10 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:I know all do not have smartphones. Every Thai in theory has an ID number. All these aged and impoverished people, and the disabled need is a fingerprints or facial image, even a voice print. Maybe a paper QR code. The tech is there just time to roll it out and avoid crime fraud waste and abuse.
Safe as houses, what could possibly go wrong!
"In China, for example, Huawei tested a face-scanning system that can trigger an “Uighur alarm,” which detects members of the Uighurs, the oppressed minority group. (Chinese authorities have arbitrarily detained as many as one million Uighurs and other minorities in as many as 400 facilities in Xinjiang, in the largest internment of an ethno-religious minority since WWII.) This system would allow the Chinese government to control and prosecute the Uighurs if they so wished."
"In 2019, at an annual Black Hat hacker convention, hackers breached Apple’s iPhone FaceID authentication system in just two minutes.
In February 2020, Clearview AI — a company that scrapes the internet and syphons billions of online photos for facial-recognition technology use — had its entire client list stolen. This hack has most likely played a crucial role in further hacking attempts at the company and its clients, most of which being law enforcement agencies and banks.
In 2020, a McAfee cybersecurity team demonstrated a fault in facial-recognition systems. They used a specially manipulated photo to trick a system similar to one used at airports for passport identification via facial recognition into accepting that the individual on the passport was the same as the one recorded by the system camera. This would enable a person on a no-fly list, for example, to board the airplane.
In March 2021, a criminal group used photos bought from the online black market to dupe a government-run Chinese site, stealing $76.2 million in the process."
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12 minutes ago, 300sd said:
Perfect. Himmler put it a different way:
They know you NEVER reveal the entire plan, for people will revolt. Lead them down the path ever so gradually, and you will transform the nation into whatever you desire.
These days it has gone up a notch and moved on to Behavioural Insights and Nudge Techniques. This type of state behaviour is in my opinion unethical; governments should be working on behalf of the people so nudging their behaviour does not exactly fit the job description.
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I voted "against".
1. Cash means we have a physical representation of our money. Without electricity or a network we would be unable to use any kind of virtual currency. Let's face it on the time spectrum we haven't had electricity or the internet for that long. So we could be left without the means to make transactions; in that situation I imagine people would go back to barter.
2. Digital currency is basically a virtual representation of a physical object. If you get rid of the physical object which it represents then it can no longer be a representation of a real object/concept. It then becomes a totally imaginary concept.
3. CBDC's are issued by federal/central banks so it would be easy to subject it to government control. They are essentially programmable which cash is not. This could lead to issues such as geofencing, expiry dates, limitations of use etc.
4. The push for CBDC's comes from the Bank of International Settlements which have a less than stellar reputation - eg. their facilitation of the transfer of Czech gold to German accounts just before the Second World War.
I have nothing against the use of technology but we are basically being conditioned to accept convenience at the expense of privacy and reliability.
PS How do you have a run on the banks if there is no cash. Just think about the situation in Lebanon where people held up the bank to get their own money. How would that work if there is no cash?
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15 minutes ago, monkfish said:
I believe they are under the same laws as every Bank.
PayPal isn't a bank , it's a company providing financial services (e-commerce company), the laws are different.
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Paypal Thailand was forced by the Thai govt. to come onshore. As soon as they came onshore they had to abide by the rules set by the Thai govt. In this case I think it might be the Electronic Transactions Act or something similar (something to do with e-commerce regulations).
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1 minute ago, monkfish said:Which regulation exactly?
PayPal will operating under laws for banks and banks accept Foreign Passport ID's but PayPal will only accept Thai ID's.As much as I hate Paypal this is a Thai thing rather than a Paypal thing. It all started in the past year or two when Paypal in Thailand had to move onshore because of the KYC regulations (previously PayPal Thailand was part of the Singapore operation). At that time there was a deadline for using PayPal and any business accounts had to get the right paperwork and submit it to Paypal to prove they were an actual business. At that time personal accounts were going to be made redundant but then the deadline was basically postponed (presumably to get their digital ID up and working). Now that they have it working they have seen it as a way to suck people into the digital ID system. Business accounts will already be in the tax system and they seem to have found a way to suck the ordinary person into the tax system with the added benefit of possibly selling their data. Foreigners are basically just collateral damage.
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It is not just a Thai ID that you need; you have to sign up for a Digital ID ! This is part of the push to make everyone have a digital ID in Thailand. Interestingly it seems to be part of "Bank of Thailand sandbox" and this seems to be outside companies that apply to get registration to join. It's a bit difficult to get to the bottom of it but I would presume it involves selling Thai people's data.
Below is copied from Paypal website
"ยืนยันตัวตนของคุณกับธนาคารและลงทะเบียน แพลตฟอร์ม National Digital ID* โดยเร็ว เพื่อใช้ PayPal ได้ในปลายปีนี้**"
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On 9/4/2022 at 12:39 PM, Neeranam said:
Not sure to get another vaccine or not.
I have health issues after Covid but not sure if they were caused by the vaccine or if the vaccine made the issues less serious.
Read some of the articles on Covid and vitamin B12 deficiency. Long Covid seems to have similar symptoms to Pernicious Anaemia. I haven't had Covid but I did get this from the vaccine. Bear in mind it will take about 2 months for the Vitamin B12 to kick in if you start taking daily supplements.
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Lady Susan Hussey quits over remarks to charity boss Ngozi Fulani
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I couldn't care a less, but that means it should also be possible to have charities that are only for whites/ native British/Indian descent/ Polish etc. etc.