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I voted out. Nothing to do with race or colour. Its to do with the new 'federation' being unelected, non accountable, and dictatorial. What right does the EU to tell sovereign nations what to do and then threaten them of they don't comply. Democratic?

So you didn't vote in the European Parliament election(2014) ?

Was not that to vote for MEP's?

That did not include Juncker etc...they are voted for from within, therefore not elected by the public...therefore not democratic

By the way, the UK tried to veto Juncker, and I also think he was the only nominee

Junkcer was democratically elected by the MEP's . . .

that may be so but me and you or indeed HappyDazed didn't vote for him which is the point we are making. If thats the case then the house of commons might as well pick the UK's next PM...same principle

Definite echo!!!

Duplicate post due to error from Tapatalk saying try to repost after 11 seconds....

I voted out. Nothing to do with race or colour. Its to do with the new 'federation' being unelected, non accountable, and dictatorial. What right does the EU to tell sovereign nations what to do and then threaten them of they don't comply. Democratic?

So you didn't vote in the European Parliament election(2014) ?

Was not that to vote for MEP's?

That did not include Juncker etc...they are voted for from within, therefore not elected by the public...therefore not democratic

By the way, the UK tried to veto Juncker, and I also think he was the only nominee

Junkcer was democratically elected by the MEP's . . .

that may be so but me and you or indeed HappyDazed didn't vote for him which is the point we are making. If thats the case then the house of commons might as well pick the UK's next PM...same principle

Definite echo!!!

Duplicate post due to error from Tapatalk saying try to repost after 11 seconds....

I voted out. Nothing to do with race or colour. Its to do with the new 'federation' being unelected, non accountable, and dictatorial. What right does the EU to tell sovereign nations what to do and then threaten them of they don't comply. Democratic?

So you didn't vote in the European Parliament election(2014) ?

Was not that to vote for MEP's?

That did not include Juncker etc...they are voted for from within, therefore not elected by the public...therefore not democratic

By the way, the UK tried to veto Juncker, and I also think he was the only nominee

Junkcer was democratically elected by the MEP's . . .

that may be so but me and you or indeed HappyDazed didn't vote for him which is the point we are making. If thats the case then the house of commons might as well pick the UK's next PM...same principle

Definite echo!!!

Duplicate post due to error from Tapatalk saying try to repost after 11 seconds....

I voted out. Nothing to do with race or colour. Its to do with the new 'federation' being unelected, non accountable, and dictatorial. What right does the EU to tell sovereign nations what to do and then threaten them of they don't comply. Democratic?

So you didn't vote in the European Parliament election(2014) ?

Was not that to vote for MEP's?

That did not include Juncker etc...they are voted for from within, therefore not elected by the public...therefore not democratic

By the way, the UK tried to veto Juncker, and I also think he was the only nominee

Junkcer was democratically elected by the MEP's . . .

that may be so but me and you or indeed HappyDazed didn't vote for him which is the point we are making. If thats the case then the house of commons might as well pick the UK's next PM...same principle

Definite echo!!!

Duplicate post due to error from Tapatalk saying try to repost after 11 seconds....

I voted out. Nothing to do with race or colour. Its to do with the new 'federation' being unelected, non accountable, and dictatorial. What right does the EU to tell sovereign nations what to do and then threaten them of they don't comply. Democratic?

So you didn't vote in the European Parliament election(2014) ?

Was not that to vote for MEP's?

That did not include Juncker etc...they are voted for from within, therefore not elected by the public...therefore not democratic

By the way, the UK tried to veto Juncker, and I also think he was the only nominee

Junkcer was democratically elected by the MEP's . . .

that may be so but me and you or indeed HappyDazed didn't vote for him which is the point we are making. If thats the case then the house of commons might as well pick the UK's next PM...same principle

Not quite, Parliament (MPs) picks the next UK PM & we vote for MPs (Parliament)...

So apart from voters in his constituency, none of us voted for Cameron, but we voted for the (conservative) MPs who voted for Cameron.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out for UK pensioners living in the EU.

Would love to think that it would lead to fairer treatment everywhere but will probably lead to more UK Expat pensioners getting shafted...

"At the moment UK citizens who live in the European Economic Area (and Switzerland) have their state pensions protected - they're pegged to wage or price inflation.

Following the vote to leave, the UK government will have to decide whether this will continue or whether UK pensioners living in EU countries should be treated as they are if they retire to Canada, for example, where their pension is frozen.

At the moment, part of the reason that UK pensioners in the rest of the EU see their pension go up every year is because the principle of the single market is applied. That means pensions and other social security payments rise wherever you live. Because this agreement is a mutual arrangement between the UK and the rest of the EU, it is now likely to form part of the renegotiation process.

However, Tom Selby, senior analyst at AJ Bell, says: "While some believe the government will be able to negotiate protections for expat pensioners - it is worth noting the UK has not arranged a similar deal with a non-EU country since 1981."

He suggests Britons who have retired to Europe could see their state pensions curtailed by up to £50,000 if a pensions deal is not negotiated".

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36606847

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

Whatsapp message from my mum about sums up what all the other guys I've spoken to in the UK said...

"No one knows what they are doing dont think they thought it would happen hope boris johnson doesnt get camerons job [emoji15][emoji15][emoji15]"

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the ones that don't know what they are doing do not vote, they go to the pub....

Are you trying to say my mum is down the pub!!!

Oh wait, it's Sunday & there's a decent carvery on at Tobys so she probably will be later [emoji4]

But seriously, does any of the Brexit crew have a clue what they're going to do now?

I think the Thai's say it best... ...... Som Nom Na...

The remain or leave never had a clue what government was doing or could respond to shit...

But folk saw what was happening around them.....Hi-So folk do not care.......

The ordinary folk have spoken, they were given a rare opportunity to speak, they spoke...

Again I'm reminded of this...

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing

The fifth would pay $1

The sixth would pay $3

The seventh would pay $7

The eighth would pay $12

The ninth would pay $18

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

Whatsapp message from my mum about sums up what all the other guys I've spoken to in the UK said...

"No one knows what they are doing dont think they thought it would happen hope boris johnson doesnt get camerons job [emoji15][emoji15][emoji15]"

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the ones that don't know what they are doing do not vote, they go to the pub....

Are you trying to say my mum is down the pub!!!

Oh wait, it's Sunday & there's a decent carvery on at Tobys so she probably will be later [emoji4]

But seriously, does any of the Brexit crew have a clue what they're going to do now?

I think the Thai's say it best... ...... Som Nom Na...

With regards to immigration, many of us realise that immigration will not actually stop but given time we can control it. We can implement a points based system like the Australian one. In the future we will not have to take in uncontrolled numbers fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan and other places.

As a part of trade deals we will allow European residents in as will Europe allow UK citizens to travel, live and work in Europe. But we will not be flooded with uncontrolled amounts of immigrants like Germany is for instance.

It will take time for negotiations.

Many of us voted LEAVE for more reasons than immigration. We also voted LEAVE for the future free of E.U. shackles.

Am sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the UK made its own decision about refugees from Syria etc.... Being out of the EU won't change that.

True and false.

There are 2 sources of refugees.

1. Those in recognised camps, which under Cameron the UK was taking in some of them.

2. Then there are the hordes invading the EU that are coming from here there and everywhere. It is these so called refugees that caused the problems. Countries were in effect, being ordered to take a quota of them, and some Countries put their foot down and said no.

Although the migrant, to give it its correct name has reduced through Greece, it has now switched to Italy and they are coming through at a rate of approx 3500 a day

7,000 migrants are rescued from sea in just two days

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7-000-migrants-are-rescued-from-sea-in-just-two-days-jklh0gdr2

But the latter camp would still need to get through UK border control (it's not like we don't check the people who's coming into the country) so how will being out of the EU change that?

With regards to immigration, many of us realise that immigration will not actually stop but given time we can control it. We can implement a points based system like the Australian one. In the future we will not have to take in uncontrolled numbers fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan and other places.

As a part of trade deals we will allow European residents in as will Europe allow UK citizens to travel, live and work in Europe. But we will not be flooded with uncontrolled amounts of immigrants like Germany is for instance.

It will take time for negotiations.

Many of us voted LEAVE for more reasons than immigration. We also voted LEAVE for the future free of E.U. shackles.

Am sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the UK made its own decision about refugees from Syria etc.... Being out of the EU won't change that.

Still people trying to justify the scaremongering tactics used by the remain. The only thing we can do is wait. The pound dropped and recovered. personally if the doomsday is all true I still think it is work it. Make our own mistakes that's what the result was a bout. people do not want the EU running the UK. So this thread should continue, in two years and we can see who was right and who was wrong. For me it doesn't matter.

Whatsapp message from my mum about sums up what all the other guys I've spoken to in the UK said...

"No one knows what they are doing dont think they thought it would happen hope boris johnson doesnt get camerons job"

Whatsapp message from my mum about sums up what all the other guys I've spoken to in the UK said...

"No one knows what they are doing dont think they thought it would happen hope boris johnson doesnt get camerons job [emoji15][emoji15][emoji15]"

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I can't see the EU agreeing to any form of UK beneficial trade agreement that doesn't include freedom of travel/domicile for EU nationals which would make the immigration argument mute.

What comes next?

Peak Schandenfreude, that's what!

These Moonbats think Hate won!

No, the Turkeys won & they'll have their Christmas a little earlier this year.

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What about Frogoff & Gertoutofhere...

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I worry a lot of "10th Men" will be relocating to sunny times (I would, if I hadn't done so already).

In the UK and the EU, the rich don't pay any taxes, it's all paid by the middle class.

It's actually the middle classes I'm referring to as the "10th Man".

The rich are in the wine bar around the corner...

From OP: "Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, what comes next?"

Maybe we can talk about immigration without being called "racist"?

I've been buying European stocks and the British Pound "while there is blood in the street". This is my sentinel event that will allow me to shout "bullshit" the next time someone tells me what the oddsmakers' lines are.

Maybe fewer people will make fun of Nigel Farage and certain other prominent nationalists?

This is the beginning of a real Great Britain comeback if it starts making decisions that benefit its people instead of the elite.

People are tired of being oppressed by globalists and they want their countries back. This is just the beginning.

Congratulations Great Britain #Brexit. Everything will be not only OK but better.

Cheers.

Well said. And it is just the beginning.

And next will be the USA - Trump will take back what the Bushes and Clintons and Obama have sold out or given away - the US people will again become first.

Come 2017 there will be a wave of anti-elitist sentiment sweeping across Europe,

By 2020 I doubt the EU will exist - maybe as a 'trading block' which is all it was supposed to be!!!

My heart goes out to David's family at this time. Words cannot express how sad we were that he lost his ego today. May he rekindle that over a kebab. Heres hoping his dads off shore account is not affected by todays announcement. Be brave David.

He lost his ego today but bet he still has his pigs head to try and screw..he attempted to screw the people of the UK and they responded..no means no

I'm reminded of this...

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing

The fifth would pay $1

The sixth would pay $3

The seventh would pay $7

The eighth would pay $12

The ninth would pay $18

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

I worry a lot of "10th Men" will be relocating to sunny times (I would, if I hadn't done so already).

Just thought (after a few too many beers) the exam question reminds me of this...

Now that we've found "Independence" what are we going to do, with it???

These people just have no idea what's going to happen.

It's already happening, look at the video where Farage just said that he's NOT going to respect his promises, just because, well you know, he got just a bit too much carried out from the campaign, so he don't care it was all a lie for the gullible ones, now he's in power with people just the same as himself.

Some people probably wouldn't care if they will get abused and mistreated in any possible ways, as long as they can do the same to someone else in an even worse position than them, sad sad sad, let's hope that at least the few ones whom were genuinely intending to create something positive, will rise up against their puppeteers....

You and the Grouse should start your own scaremongering thread..the British people have spoke...you lost get over it

So (APPROX) 37% of the British (voting) population said "YES", 36% said "NO" & 27% said "Nothing".

But that equates to the "British People Have Spoken" in your mind? In any other individual-counts-vote scenario (from AGMs to Unions going on strike") you'd need 50% of eligible voter to concur.

So please, don't tell me "The British People have spoken" tell me approx 1/3rd (we can call it less than 40% if it makes you happier) have spoken, but not the majority.

Words cannot express my Fear and Loathing of what has happened ... <snip pages of useless drivel> ... Be very afraid...

Yes, this is the attitude of the "progressives" everywhere. We know what's best for you. We are nobler and wiser than you. So just shut up and do what you're told. If you disagree with us you are backward and stupid. You, the Great Unwashed, don't know what's good for you. Do you watch Fox News/read the Daily Mail? Leave everything to us. If you blockheads weren't so dim and brainwashed, you'd agree with us, The Anointed.

Well, the self-styled Anointed just got a mighty kick in the balls. And I hope it hurt.

Funny enough, your post reminds me of what my parents used to say when I was young.

Obviously being older & wiser I know they're now wrong, but they were right for the 1st 3rd of my life so I tend to listen to their opinion even now.

No, the Chancellor made policy on the basis of 2.5% and he in reality he met his targets in real terms, but you probably wouldn't understand that - here, rad this: http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2016/03/osborne-misses-two-fiscal-targets-obr-reveals

As for GBP/THB, I sent you the link if only you'd open it, the average rate across al banks in Thailand right now is 48.07 but since it's Friday dealers will be squaring their positions so not truly representative. And again, because I seem to have tell you the same things several times before you understand, BOE is supporting Sterling in the markets hence you'll probably have to wait for a week or more for the dust to truly settle.

BOE is supporting Sterling in the markets

Coincidentally, I mentioned the same thing in another thread. Personally I wouldn't mind if this was the case and that the BOE subsequently lets the pound slide gradually on it's own accord. I can then buy back some of what I sold and average out my position.

www.xe.com seems to have gone into meltdown (not been able to get an updated price since 2pm) but managed to get an effective rate of 1.922 SGD to 1GBP (includes fees both sides) for same day transfer Citi-Barclays so not too bad.

Haha, yes, I mentioned also in another post that Xe.com's servers must be struggling to cope. The website itself is not down, it's just it's currency functions.

I transferred some GBP to HKD just before close of business (Hkg time) yesterday via HSBC. Because the accounts are linked, the transfers were instantaneous and also free of fees. So on the one hand, I made a small profit on what I transferred but on the other, lost on what I left behind in the UK.

You could do a lot worse than to look at the UOB Thai exchange rate on: https://daytodaydata.net/

Historically they have proved very accurate and forward looking in situations such as these.

Unfortunately I'm a bit "Captive" (cash sat in an SG Citi account & needs to be in an UK Barclays account by Tuesday/Wednesday)

Last time it cost me £500 to move £15,000 but I'd be the last person to complain about how that worked out, so hoping for the same [emoji1303]

I transferred a similar amount, HSBC UK to HSBC HKG and didn't have to pay any charges. Not sure about the exchange rate though

It's the Exchange rate that kills you, charges were £10 of the £500

Last time I checked, NI rejected joining ROI so if they do want to stay in the EU, I suspect they'll want to do it on their own 2 feet rather than an Ireland reunification.

Yes, last time you checked the UK was still "IN"

Given it was a vote to leave the UK & move more towards the EU I'd guess that a "UK Out" makes it even more unlikely.

No, the Chancellor made policy on the basis of 2.5% and he in reality he met his targets in real terms, but you probably wouldn't understand that - here, rad this: http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2016/03/osborne-misses-two-fiscal-targets-obr-reveals

As for GBP/THB, I sent you the link if only you'd open it, the average rate across al banks in Thailand right now is 48.07 but since it's Friday dealers will be squaring their positions so not truly representative. And again, because I seem to have tell you the same things several times before you understand, BOE is supporting Sterling in the markets hence you'll probably have to wait for a week or more for the dust to truly settle.

BOE is supporting Sterling in the markets

Coincidentally, I mentioned the same thing in another thread. Personally I wouldn't mind if this was the case and that the BOE subsequently lets the pound slide gradually on it's own accord. I can then buy back some of what I sold and average out my position.

www.xe.com seems to have gone into meltdown (not been able to get an updated price since 2pm) but managed to get an effective rate of 1.922 SGD to 1GBP (includes fees both sides) for same day transfer Citi-Barclays so not too bad.

Haha, yes, I mentioned also in another post that Xe.com's servers must be struggling to cope. The website itself is not down, it's just it's currency functions.

I transferred some GBP to HKD just before close of business (Hkg time) yesterday via HSBC. Because the accounts are linked, the transfers were instantaneous and also free of fees. So on the one hand, I made a small profit on what I transferred but on the other, lost on what I left behind in the UK.

You could do a lot worse than to look at the UOB Thai exchange rate on: https://daytodaydata.net/

Historically they have proved very accurate and forward looking in situations such as these.

Unfortunately I'm a bit "Captive" (cash sat in an SG Citi account & needs to be in an UK Barclays account by Tuesday/Wednesday)

Last time it cost me £500 to move £15,000 but I'd be the last person to complain about how that worked out, so hoping for the same [emoji1303]