JB300

It is now apparent that at the bookmakers

Remain votes have been high value bets of low numbers.

Leave bets have been low value bets of high numbers.

Leicester City 5000 / 1

Start sweating remainers.

LOL So this nutter tin pot loony may just have been talking some truth . Thanks SgtRock.

One big difference in this referendum than that in the early 1970s. They can't stop information with the internet and social media. back then we were sold a lie but only had the BBC and newspapers saying the same message from the establishment. It is now so different and people can make informed choices.

Even if for one second it was remotely true that the government's men-in-black were threatening the bookies with higher taxation (bear in mind an Exit vote will see this government out & a "Leave Friendly" government in it's place so is in no place to see the threat through), there is no way that information wouldn't be contained to the top Execs of the firm or be leaked via a comment on a blog.

It is logical (common sense) that Bookies odds are swayed by the total amount being bet, but even if 2/3rds of bets are for Leave, what percentage of the eligible voters have placed a bet & who in their right minds (who doesn't have a load of money) bets at 3-1 on?

You must obtain an affidavit of support at the Philippine Embassy in Bangkok.

http://bangkokpe.dfa.gov.ph/consular-office/services/notarial-services/affidavit-of-support

Ensure you do this. A simple letter signed by you (even with a copy of your passport) will not do. Stories of locals being offloaded are not uncommon. No amount of begging or tears will move the immigration officers to reconsider a last-minute departure.

Agree with all of the comments about her likely to have more problems leaving the Philippines than entering Thailand (assuming she's reasonably young/attractive).

I've travelled with my Filipina gf for over 6 years, always go there to "collect" her & still she occasionally gets a bit of a grilling, but no where near as bad as the girls who are travelling alone.

Even at the departure gate, Immigration still walk around & question girls travelling alone & will "Offload" them if they're not happy with the answers (despite this being against the rules/laws in Philippines).

If she is going to travel alone then as been suggested write a letter supporting her visit & get this notarized (Google "Red Ribbon Philippine Immigration" for more details).

I just don't trust the polls full stop and with the last election and the Scottish referendum they were inaccurate. I did read a very interesting point from someone who claimed to be one of the people from William Hill and that he is part of a committee that creates the odds. He sated and I can't verify this but interesting if true, the book makers have been threated with massive tax hikes on betting if they published the true odds. This was a few weeks ago and the person stated that the leave was in the 60% plus but they couldn't put that. The odds did go down slowly over the weeks.

Again I can't confirm or deny this truth but certainly 'food for thought'.

Has to be one of the funniest tinfoil hat theories I've heard, did they get it directly from the Alien mothership or via NWO command from their submarine under the north pole?

All those pensioners in Spain will lose their healthcare and maybe even their right to a pension overseas

NOT UK folks problem......

Typical dumb comment. You want 1M pensioners returning to UK? How much stress would that put on the NHS?

If they aren't registered in the UK, they'll be paying 150% of the costs to use the NHS.

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Presumably they'd be "resuming settled residence" in the UK so would be eligible for free NHS from the moment they arrive

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Not so,I think they have to be back in the UK for six months, and also to prove they have actually cut all links with the country they have just left.Maybe someone can confirm if this is correct.

Probably one for a different thread but it's all about being assessed as Ordinary Resident which you can do by cutting ties with the country you were living in & showing an intent to stay long term in the UK (e.g. owning property that's available for you to live in or proof of a Long term rental agreements) which you can pre-arrange before returning.

Google is your friend...

All those pensioners in Spain will lose their healthcare and maybe even their right to a pension overseas

NOT UK folks problem......

Typical dumb comment. You want 1M pensioners returning to UK? How much stress would that put on the NHS?

If they aren't registered in the UK, they'll be paying 150% of the costs to use the NHS.

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Presumably they'd be "resuming settled residence" in the UK so would be eligible for free NHS from the moment they arrive

There are plenty here that scrape by and have done for years but they don't ask Thailand to take care of them as they know what the answer will be

You should not judge other peoples financial situation if it does not affect you

I cannot afford the TE but I am not a burden on Thailand and nor will I ever will be

Sorry for the phrasing. By 'take care' I was referring to Supplying Visa Solutions. I did not mean take care in the sense of providing financial assistance or the like. Sorry for the confusion.

It was meant to emphasize that Thailand is not going to go more out of its way to grant new visa types/regulations for those who can not afford the ones in place already.

And to be perfectly honest, if one is trying to stay here 'long' time (year + ) you are not really a 'tourist' anymore. I think this starts to fall under Immigrant.

Imagine if Thailand introduced similar rules that the EU/Schengen has: Maximum of 3 months in a 6 month period.

No METVs, No back-to-back SETV, not even constant border runs for Tourist Visa. No retirement visa, no investment visa (except maybe with 10M USD). What would happen then?

Foreigners trying to marry Thai girls like women trying to marry US men to get citizenship? Oh the irony.

It would be one way to boost sales in Thailand Elite

And again, to be perfectly honest: Staying here for more than 6months continuously you really are less a tourist and more a something else (immigrant, alien resident, etc.)

But Thailand is not like most other European/Western countries and it has extended many options for foreigners

I have been here over 10 years, I know I am not a tourist, I utilize the visa options Thailand offers me

People who are on Non O etc are not special or any different, they are just lucky that Thailand offers visa options for them

No retirement visas, no business visas no etc etc, what would happen then?

Your posts are sanctimonious and to be honest pointless, you are no different to me, just lucky Thailand offers you a visa for the situation you are in

For some reason people who are lucky enough to qualify for these visas look down on those who have to survive here on TV's etc

You are no different to me, just lucky, I would love all these Non O's etc to stop to see your reaction then

I'm sorry if I sound sanctimonious, I really do not mean to. Perhaps I express myself wrongly, but my only point really is that Thailand offers many Visa Options, far more than other countries, and we really shouldn't be insisting that it offers even more (so far as to say open door policy).

As for me, if they completely blocked all options except retirement, then I would just live in another country. Not that big of a deal. (As it is I already live in multiple countries and move between them all the time). Singapore is easy enough to have as a SE Asia base to retire in (investment/business visa options).

I would not 'want' them to stop/add anything to their visa policy. It does not bother me how someone else chooses to stay here. The only thing I wish to draw attention to is asking for even more options may be taking for granted the multitude of options already available that exceed other countries.

Singapore is a great place to work & live but if you're coming here on an Investment Visa (there's no retirement visa option) you'll need to bring at least s$2,500,000 SGD & spend at least s$1,000,000 SGD over 2.5 years to renew it.

OP, look at the reasons why you want to live in Thailand, Philippines & Cambodia have much easier visa options for you if you're under 50 & unable/unwilling to go down the Thai Elite route.

Sgt, though we are on the opposite side of the fence, I agree with all of your comments above & the UK could do much worse than adopt the Singapore immigration approach (qualifications, skills, experience, salary & family ties).

But I think we should be fighting to change this from within the EU rather than from outside so I'd ask you, if the UK were able to implement a criteria based immigration policy, would you still be voting leave?

Vote Leaves Migrant Myth why migration is good for the UKs economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

JB300

This is from 2010 / 11

article-2215070-156C345A000005DC-652_634x228.jpg

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

I read a report recently, I will have to try and find it and post. That figure is now £28 - 30,000 per individual to be a net contributor in the UK.

I am not, and will not, try and lay the blame on the UK ills on the doorstep of immigrants. Given the figures from 2010 / 11 I would be extremely hard pushed to believe that immigrants are net contributors to the UK. Granted that there will be some that earn over these figures, most likely in the banking sector.

I sort of agree with you, but you only need to look at why Germany is letting a lot of immigrants in (it needs cheap labour) to see that there's an argument for (controlled) immigration being net-positive for the country.

Obviously as an immigrant myself (I'm a Brit working in Singapore) I can also see this from the other side.

I think you might want to rephrase or rethink that statement. There was nothing controlled about what has just happened to Germany and the Southern EU as a whole.

I would also argue, that the UK currently has 1.7 Million officially unemployed. The true figure is actually unknown. A quick visit to the DWP website and a quick scan of who is not eligible to claim JSA ( Where the official unemployed figure comes from ) shows you that the official figures are a load of crap. Whilst the UK has that amount of unemployed it does not need immigration to augment the workforce. The task in hand should be to get these people into work.

I am willing to wager that you are not selling the Big Issue or washing cars in superstore car park

Lol, nobody is buying the Big Issue in Singapore (the locals will crawl over you to save the s$2 (assuming it's still £1).

But by the same token I am pure working class (Warrington lad), from a council estate / working class family so please don't project any "Privilege" on me.

FWIW all my family are voting leave, I just see things from the other side being an "Immigrant" (from Kampala, through Karachi to Singapore with a few places in between) myself for so many years.

1 also came from a council estate,and made my money through hard graft,sometimes working three jobs,before starting my own business and making my small fortune. There I separate from you, while realizing some people are lazy and work shy, I also know that most people are still hard working,yet are not determined to climb the ladder of life,does that make them any inferior to me, of course not,unless of course I

Was to think of myself as superior and think to hell with everybody else.

The vast majority of these immigrants are taking the jobs of those at the bottom of the pile. I'm assuming your Profession ( sounds more important than job)requires high qualifications from which you can demand a high salary. I just wonder if the supply of people with your qualifications were to multiply overnight and subsequently threaten your life style, would you join your family and vote Brexit.

My profession (I'm an IT consultant) does require a lot of qualifications but I don't have them (quit 6 form after 6 months to take a YOP in IT) so got to where I am by (as you say) hard work.

Working in IT (& done a fair few outsourcing/off-shoring projects) "cheaper labour" has been a constant threat to my life style but you "Right Shift" along the food chain (started off as a programmer, when companies started moving this to India I moved myself to designer then architect/consultant).

I do empathise with your point, but at the end of the day we brought immigrants over to do jobs that we didn't want to do or to plug gaps where we had a skills shortage (do you remember trying to get a plumber in the mid-90s before the Polish came over? I know a couple of guys that quit their IT career to cross-train as a plumber because the money was better).

Singapore has been going through a similar thing for a few years, locals are complaining about foreigners taking their jobs with Indians taking all of the IT roles & Filipinos taking the sales/restaurant jobs but none of them are complaining about the Bangladesh construction workers as it seems that the Singaporeans don't want to do that job (ring any bells?).

The biggest difference here is that there's no social security/benefits in Singapore so people have to work to live, if we're going to do cut down on immigration in the UK to create more jobs then let's also crack down on benefits & force people who can work to work.

Dupe

We should not import workers from E Europe to do low skilled work. The people most likely to be on benefits are not indigenous Brits.

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Can we look back a generation or 2 & see who we dragged over to clean the toilets & drive the buses or (do any of the over jobs that were "below us Brits").

Problem we have now adays is there are too many lazy chavs complainjng about the price of Ciggies, Special Brew & Sky Tv & it's all the "Foreigners" fault.

But we are where we are, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

What's the 'baby'?

Just exactly what is this wonderful creature that the British people will lose after slinging out the unaccountable, incompetent, hostile, bureaucratic, extravagant, self-interested and self-righteous elite in Brussels?

Seriously fella (assuming you're not a troll), if you honestly think that then vote leave & good luck to you[emoji1303]

Vote Leave’s ‘Migrant Myth’ – why migration is good for the UK’s economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

JB300

This is from 2010 / 11

article-2215070-156C345A000005DC-652_634x228.jpg

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

I read a report recently, I will have to try and find it and post. That figure is now £28 - 30,000 per individual to be a net contributor in the UK.

I am not, and will not, try and lay the blame on the UK ills on the doorstep of immigrants. Given the figures from 2010 / 11 I would be extremely hard pushed to believe that immigrants are net contributors to the UK. Granted that there will be some that earn over these figures, most likely in the banking sector.

I sort of agree with you, but you only need to look at why Germany is letting a lot of immigrants in (it needs cheap labour) to see that there's an argument for (controlled) immigration being net-positive for the country.

Obviously as an immigrant myself (I'm a Brit working in Singapore) I can also see this from the other side.

I think you might want to rephrase or rethink that statement. There was nothing controlled about what has just happened to Germany and the Southern EU as a whole.

I would also argue, that the UK currently has 1.7 Million officially unemployed. The true figure is actually unknown. A quick visit to the DWP website and a quick scan of who is not eligible to claim JSA ( Where the official unemployed figure comes from ) shows you that the official figures are a load of crap. Whilst the UK has that amount of unemployed it does not need immigration to augment the workforce. The task in hand should be to get these people into work.

I am willing to wager that you are not selling the Big Issue or washing cars in superstore car park

Lol, nobody is buying the Big Issue in Singapore (the locals will crawl over you to save the s$2 (assuming it's still £1).

But by the same token I am pure working class (Warrington lad), from a council estate / working class family so please don't project any "Privilege" on me.

FWIW all my family are voting leave, I just see things from the other side being an "Immigrant" (from Kampala, through Karachi to Singapore with a few places in between) myself for so many years.

Vote Leave’s ‘Migrant Myth’ – why migration is good for the UK’s economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

JB300

This is from 2010 / 11

article-2215070-156C345A000005DC-652_634x228.jpg

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

I read a report recently, I will have to try and find it and post. That figure is now £28 - 30,000 per individual to be a net contributor in the UK.

I am not, and will not, try and lay the blame on the UK ills on the doorstep of immigrants. Given the figures from 2010 / 11 I would be extremely hard pushed to believe that immigrants are net contributors to the UK. Granted that there will be some that earn over these figures, most likely in the banking sector.

I sort of agree with you, but you only need to look at why Germany is letting a lot of immigrants in (it needs cheap labour) to see that there's an argument for (controlled) immigration being net-positive for the country.

Obviously as an immigrant myself (I'm a Brit working in Singapore) I can also see this from the other side.

Vote Leave’s ‘Migrant Myth’ – why migration is good for the UK’s economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

Not good for the unqualified Brits trying to make a decent living, while the immigrants drive wages down.

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I agree, but at the macro level, (controlled) immigration is net-positive for the economy/country, uncontrolled (Blair) immigration is why we are where we are today.

But we are where we are, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Vote Leave’s ‘Migrant Myth’ – why migration is good for the UK’s economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

Just saw an advert for Fox that says Billions premieres on July 7th.

I take it that's season 2[emoji1303]

Recently I've been getting dreadful hangovers on Heineken so have switched to Tiger Light when I can find it, Singha /Singha light as a backup.

I visit the Philippines 3-5 times a year & drink SML (San Miguel Light) but after 6 or so, start getting heartburn.

Agree with the comments about a nice cider over ice, but again after 6 or so I get heartburn so have to switch

I an not European, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but some times an outside view can help separate the forest from the treas.

Pride is one of the seven sins, and it often leads people in to decisions they would not otherwise take.

Because of it some people are willing to cut their nose to spite their face. A Brexit is an emotional decision not a rational one.

IMO a Brexit it will be disastrous for the UK , I dont think it would also be good for the Brits living in LOS as the pound weakens,

As much as we might wish otherwise, globalization is our future , IMO , Britain has a better chance to compete with in the EU, than outside it.

The Brits and everyone else involved should be working in strengthening the EU rather than weakening it.

I am European (& a Brit, English to boot) & you summed it up perfectly for me [emoji1303]

No update on the Visa Waiver for Brits so as things stand, it will no longer be available from 30th June 2016...

The visa exemption for British, German, French, Spanish and Italian citizens travelling to Vietnam for a period of up to 15 days (single entry and not returning within 30 days) is applied from 01 July 2015 to 30 June 2016. (See NOTICE 1 and NOTICE 2 for details). Up to now, the Embassy has not received any information on extension of this policy.

Until further notice, visa is required for all visits for up to 15 days after 30 June 2016 by citizens of these countries. All applications sent to the Embassy are considered to be in need of visa and applicable fees are not refunded once the application is received by the Embassy.

http://vietnamembassy.org.uk/index.php?action=p&ct=Notice3

There's a 39% chance of Brexit, pft:,

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watch/

Why does everyone gloat on polls and odds, lets just wait and see. Because unless you have spoken to every single person of voting age in the UK and those undecideds have decided then its just a prediction. How can it be a true reflection?

That pole was 33% a couple of days ago & 24% a few days before that so might not be the positive for the (us) Remains that it appears to be.

The process for withdrawing from the EU...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/504216/The_process_for_withdrawing_from_the_EU_print_ready.pdf

Scaring reading, especially...

2.7 Regular EU decision-making would continue while we negotiated to leave. Our vote to leave, and the withdrawal negotiations themselves, would have an impact on our ability to affect the EU’s decision-making. But we would be bound by new EU legislation up to the moment we left.

Brexit - Truth Squadding the arguments...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-19/fact-fiction-and-brexit-truth-squadding-the-arguments

Don't do it CM it will get better, a few less leo's don't panic!!

This is brilliant

the requirement for retirees to have 800,000 baht in the bank is a step too far for some.

800,000 Baht in the bank is 800,000 Baht in the bank. Regardless of where the £ goes.

But 65,000 income requirement goes up from £1,300 per month at 50:1 THB:GBP to £1,625 per month at 40:1 (if the muted 20% drop happens).

CM did miss one demographic though, those working overseas will get more GBP when shipping money back & we'll all have cheaper trips back.

Though this applies to me, I'm still in the Remain camp but will be shipping a bucket load of cash back if the pound does plummet.

JB.

I did not dispute this, I never even mentioned it.

My post pertained to 800.000 Baht sitting in a Thai bank. Which will not change regardless of where the £ goes, exchange rate fluctuations or anything else.

I will be more than ecstatic to see a rate of £1 = US $ 1 even though I can appreciate that it will be bad for some others.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did, was just highlighting that some guys might find that they can't meet the retirement extension requirements if sterling does plummet as the UK Embassy is one of the few that insist on proof of income (I believe the US just takes their citizens word for it).

£1 = SGD $1 would be even better for me as most of my cash is sat in a bank account in Singapore

Edit: But I hope the £ quickly stabilises somewhere around 50-55 THB (more would be nice) for the sake of any older Expats who are already feeling the pain from reduced dividends/interest on bank accounts & frozen pensions.

Meanwhile, the UK onshore and offshore populations, elated at their country's new found freedom, start to make their plans for the coming year(s):

For the onshore group this means tightening the purse strings as interest rates are going to rise, imported goods become more expensive and mortgage rates increase - holidays abroad are cancelled as a result of the poor exchange rates, pensioners are forced to tighten their already tight belts as the value of pension funds and draw downs decreases.

The offshore group fares similarly, foreign currency exchange rates means UK pensions and investments translate into fewer Baht per Pound - the requirement for retirees to have 800,000 baht in the bank is a step too far for some. For many this is the straw that broke the camels back and they have to return to the UK leaving behind them partners and extended families and their overseas homes for some of more than twenty years - faced with such a loss so late in life, the suicide rate amongst expats increases.

Don't do it CM it will get better, a few less leo's don't panic!!

This is brilliant

the requirement for retirees to have 800,000 baht in the bank is a step too far for some.

800,000 Baht in the bank is 800,000 Baht in the bank. Regardless of where the £ goes.

But 65,000 income requirement goes up from £1,300 per month at 50:1 THB:GBP to £1,625 per month at 40:1 (if the muted 20% drop happens).

CM did miss one demographic though, those working overseas will get more GBP when shipping money back & we'll all have cheaper trips back.

Though this applies to me, I'm still in the Remain camp but will be shipping a bucket load of cash back if the pound does plummet.

Homes/shelters with food?

Good luck taking care of the poor in Manila, where the biggest slum in the world is located.

People don't like to be treated as animals in a cage, thus they wander off in order to try to make money in any way they can.

Filipinos them self don't give a damn about their own poor. it is all about the close family and be a good catholic and go to church on Sunday..

I can see a new Mexico on the rise.

Then again, maybe places like Manila are more of the dog-eat-dog place you describe (i've tended to avoid the place), I'd probably say the same about London Vs my home town in the North West of the UK.

Incidentally, how long have you spent in the Philippines & where have you visited?

Edit:thought I'd Google it as I've always believed Mumbai was the biggest slum in the world, turns out it's 3rd behind Mexico & Pakistan I doubt Manila would make the top 20 when you think of the South American & African countries.