Eric Loh

She didn't ran away and will continue to surprise her detractors by turning up and answering all the questions and even posing some challenges to the NLA to be neutral without prejudice.

No she didn't run away but stalled enough, which has enabled her to cry to her followers that the NLA has rushed the case. 2 Years of rush, wow. Then becomes upset because matters involving other politicians took years to be brought forward. What, not enough time for her, she wants the matter to take years before it comes to fruition. She has had ample time to put her defence together but thought visiting the brother and those shopping sprees were more important than having her defence prepared and the matter heard.

No, not Ms Yingluk, she goes on holidays, postpones, stalls, looks for more witnesses for her character, not about the facts and then goes before the NLA and avoids all the issues raised.. Now that she has been directed to appear to answer legitimate questions being raised by the NLA members, hopefully she has the ability to do so. Any one who looks at the incidents logically can see that this is a legal procedure in Thailand and with the matter being dealt with under those laws it will be the evidence that will decide who is right or wrong.

I wonder what you and others, who have her as a poster girl, despite her failings, and you know what they are, would say if the matter was thrown out at the last hearing. It wouldn't be phony trials, charades, NLA stacked with Shin Haters, I told you so, she is so good that she couldn't do it, it was a mistake. It wasn't her, etc., etc., etc. No, you would be full of praise for the NLA, not degrading them.

What you should all do is take a deep breath, sit back, let the matter takes it's course. If she is impeached, then it will require 2/3 of the NLA to do so based on the evidence gathered, not manufactured. If she is not impeached then obviously there was insufficient evidence and she will be exonerated. Is this occurs then no doubt you will all be happy little vegemite's. I don't think so, because you will then find something else to direct your talents toward.

I can tell you that in Thailand, politics have never took its course. If it took its course, an election will be the correct outcome. Time and again, the establishment has snatched power and re-wrote the charter to skew to their benefits. Seem you ok with that plus an appointed NLA but not me.

Neither I condone corruption from any sides and Yingluck no poster girl for me. The years staying in Thailand has distorted my opinion on corruption. Corruption is played out only by the powerful and the wealthy. I question double standards and question hard on the NACC selective targeting of one side. You don't see that as unfair? I do. If corruption is being handled by a fair and unbiased agency or judiciary, I will applaud and keep silence but alas it never has been for Thailand.

I will be watching and waiting for NLA verdict. The outcome is of no concern for me. Just want a fair trial and other NACC cases put on the same pedestal and attention as this Yingluck case.

There is an old saying that mild men sleep soundly in their beds only because of the hard men that guard the gates and walls. It is historical fact that the better they are at protecting the citizens, the less they are appreciated and the more they are denigrated by those, gulled into a false sense of security, that are too stupid to realise they are needed.

So whinge and moan about the expense, and hope they are still there when the barbarians arrive.

Except in this case, the weapons are pointed inwards.

As they should be when a criminal's private militia start threatening civil war and secession. As in "enemies domestic and foreign."

The submarine and the blimp will be useful in a civil war. Oh and the over price Gripen jets. Keep that expense tap flowing.

Did anyone, other than you, suggest that was their purpose? The threat of civil war was countered with the weapons and equipment at hand. That equipment also came in useful during the big floods, and military bases make valuable additions to the economies of many rural cities/towns.

Yes, Thailand's military budget is probably too high, but is simply stupid to ignore the ancillary disaster relief, educational and economic benefits.

Ok I get it mate. Send the blimp for disaster relief, send the tanks to government house on children day for educational benefits and build military bases to stimulate local economies. At least we can agree that we have bloated number of generals and military budget.

There is an old saying that mild men sleep soundly in their beds only because of the hard men that guard the gates and walls. It is historical fact that the better they are at protecting the citizens, the less they are appreciated and the more they are denigrated by those, gulled into a false sense of security, that are too stupid to realise they are needed.

So whinge and moan about the expense, and hope they are still there when the barbarians arrive.

Except in this case, the weapons are pointed inwards.

As they should be when a criminal's private militia start threatening civil war and secession. As in "enemies domestic and foreign."

The submarine and the blimp will be useful in a civil war. Oh and the over price Gripen jets. Keep that expense tap flowing.

Who is the junta to say what people can or cannot wear to a funeral to show respect to a friend. When one of my close friends died we all wore blue. This was his request and if the police tried to stop us then they would have probably had a riot on thier hands. A total dictatorship telling people how to mourn and grieve and extremely offensive and sickening.

Difference is you were honoring and respecting your friend's wish. Not making a political statement or hoping to start trouble.

Stop trying to pretend this was anything other than a red PR stunt.

He was a highly popular man and they came to grief. Respect that. You don't wait for someone to die and stage a PR gathering. Insensitive and silly comment.

They alleged 100 defendants caused loss to the government - finally a clear distinction between the perpetrators and the government. This contrast much with BS here that blame everything on the government and mades a difference in the actual loss. The total loss is still a moving target with many working parts

After the infamous promise per coup, you tend to take his promise with a pinch of salt.

She didn't ran away and will continue to surprise her detractors by turning up and answering all the questions and even posing some challenges to the NLA to be neutral without prejudice.

Like you, I am equally despair of the money from rice scheme, rubber subsidies, fuel subsidies, billions to buy useless military hardwares etc etc that could have put to better use. Don't you think so?

There is an old saying that mild men sleep soundly in their beds only because of the hard men that guard the gates and walls. It is historical fact that the better they are at protecting the citizens, the less they are appreciated and the more they are denigrated by those, gulled into a false sense of security, that are too stupid to realise they are needed.

So whinge and moan about the expense, and hope they are still there when the barbarians arrive.

A simple yes will do.

Waiting for the activists, environmentalists and the concerned people proposed something else from coal than just opposing.

Well I have read the comments and fair enough we pretty much know on here who supports who but fair dinkum I wouldn't want to do a bank job with djamie he used to be a PTP red shirt supporter but the attitude adjustment worked out just but I'm still waiting for You to list Yinglucklucks criminal convictions past and present of which you have stated she is.

I have no problem copping the little school boy snide teasing remarks that just shows me you have nothing to offer and like the junta you are scared of Thaksin and Yingluck.

The only thing I can't understand is the love you yellow dem junta ( same same) supporters show for a mob that took the country via the barrel of a gun have the foot on the throat of the media freedom of speech and the voting public and you actually believe that any decision handed down will be legitimate.

Let's get this straight if I was a yellow dem supporter which I will never be because they have ignored the poor for so long but if I was and they were in office and kicked out via the barrel of a gun then you would the S/P asking the same comments in support of the yellow dems.

For the life of me I cannot understand people who were raised in a free and democratic society actual supporting what's happening in Thailand.

The attitude adjustments have worked out just fine on you lot.

You continue to make sweeping generalizations such as if you don't support the reds/Thaksin, they you must be yellow/Dem + support the Junta. That's just plain incorrect and stupid.

I've said here on many occasions that there is very little real difference in the way BOTH sides operate, neither are there "for" the people, BOTH are there to try and make sure that their side of the nest is nicely feathered, but for you to state that Thaksin does things for the "poor" out of some kind of selfless action is just ignorant in the extreme.

I've also said, when it comes down to "violence" and the use of it, the red side wins hands down overall. And the "pawns" that are being used to help keep Thaksin being seen as a benevolent dictator, are simply that, pawns to be used to achieve HIS own ends, and they are sacrificed at the drop of a hat and none of it is to help the "poor", only himself.

The rice scheme which was the flagship Thaksin policy to "help" the "poor" was flawed from the outset. It didn't help the few million who were truly poor in any way, shape or form (they weren't even eligible), it was also meant to be "self-financing", but instead cost every man, woman and child in Thailand 15,000 baht+ EACH! How did that help the "poor"?

You mention also "a mob that took the country via the barrel of a gun" ... is this not exactly what Thaksin tried to do in 2010 with the "occupy bangkok" terrorist riots? How was that ANY different? Or are we going to get back into that circular argument of he did this, so we did this, and then they did that, so we did this ... ? It was nothing short of an attempt to incite/ignite a civil war across Thailand where Thaksin could come riding in as the savior of the "poor and downtrodden".

Their are bigger games at play than you care to accept and they've been in the works/planning for decades, my previous posts linking to an article that describes what they are (it was the only English translation I could find) set them out quite clearly, and if you weren't so blinkered you'd see the bigger picture and Thaksin's end game.

Do I agree with the Junta? No. Am I a yellow/Dem supporter. No. But I'd rather have them in power right now than any member of Thaksin's crew with their greedy, lying, thieving, no-holds-barred sticky little fingers in the cookie jar. Whilst the protests were ongoing, I'd suggested the solution of Yingluck stepping down and a coalition Govt being formed of equal numbers of red/yellow MP's to oversee the much needed changes and reforms, those changes/reforms coming from polls that the people could actually vote on so that the "people" had a hand in what was being changed. But neither side would compromise, neither side would talk, and so we ended up with the coup.

At the end of the day, the situation in Thailand with regards to politics is going nowhere. No compromises are being reached, no real changes are being made and until such time as they ALL take a BIG step back and look at things objectively, we're just going to end up going around and around in circles with new laws, then new protests, then new coups, reset it all and start again and then new Govt's, then new Charters/Constitutions etc etc in a 4-6 year cycle.

Just for once, Thailand needs to look outside its own borders and perhaps take a look at the "best" of the "democracies" and "laws" in other countries, see how they work, see the problems therein, and model something similar. Cos the way they are doing things right now is ridiculous at best, and downright stupid at worst and it's going to end up going nowhere and solving nothing.

Well written & it reminds me that no one seems to address the numerous, perhaps millions, of poor people who are not farmers. I despair when I think about how all the rice money could have been put to much better use to help the poor throughout the whole country. Schools, hospitals, decent roads, farmer education to produce better quality crops, just to name a few.

Like you, I am equally despair of the money from rice scheme, rubber subsidies, fuel subsidies, billions to buy useless military hardwares etc etc that could have put to better use. Don't you think so?

Should not be a problem for Yingluck to answer all 20 questions or more. Point is whether the NLA already have a verdict in mind and all this is just a dog and pony show. Eventually an election will have to be held and the real judge will be the people.

"Most NLA members want Yingluck to clarify the exact figure of losses of the scheme,"

I doubt she can clarify anything.....she never knew anything she was never capable of being a PM.

The only thing she's good at, is crying and thanking people 3 times.

you forgot shopping as well....

........and First Class World Travel. She does have one skill which may come in handy, perjury, though she is apparently inept at that as well.

I am really starting to wonder how many young teenage members we have now on TV with responses like these? Sounds like the comments I usually read on youtube, I guess next they will bring up is her mulberry boots as the "smoking gun" proof against her for corruption and conspiracy. Seems that serious debate has left the building.

Thank you Sir......how did you know I'm a teenager?

You seem to take delight being called a juvenile. Did you miss much yesterday at the Parliment House.

She's incapable of telling the truth just as much as she was incapable of governing without a puppeteers hand up her skirt!

Would that be similar to the infamous qoute " I will not stage a coup".

Or the infamous vowing to pay the farmers next week quote; or the my helicopter can't fly at night joke; or the real gem lie about saying the contentious amnesty bill had been withdrawn, when it really wasn't.

Point is Eric, all politicians are somewhat economical with the truth, whatever party or faction they might support. Why do you try and pretend the Shins, and Yingluck in particular, don't lie when they've been caught out so many times and exposed?

Not often but your point taken and agreed that ALL politicians, perm secretaries, generals, rich and famous lie when required or as you out it eloquently "economical with the truth".

She's incapable of telling the truth just as much as she was incapable of governing without a puppeteers hand up her skirt!

Would that be similar to the infamous qoute " I will not stage a coup".

Well I have read the comments and fair enough we pretty much know on here who supports who but fair dinkum I wouldn't want to do a bank job with djamie he used to be a PTP red shirt supporter but the attitude adjustment worked out just but I'm still waiting for You to list Yinglucklucks criminal convictions past and present of which you have stated she is.

I have no problem copping the little school boy snide teasing remarks that just shows me you have nothing to offer and like the junta you are scared of Thaksin and Yingluck.

The only thing I can't understand is the love you yellow dem junta ( same same) supporters show for a mob that took the country via the barrel of a gun have the foot on the throat of the media freedom of speech and the voting public and you actually believe that any decision handed down will be legitimate.

Let's get this straight if I was a yellow dem supporter which I will never be because they have ignored the poor for so long but if I was and they were in office and kicked out via the barrel of a gun then you would the S/P asking the same comments in support of the yellow dems.

For the life of me I cannot understand people who were raised in a free and democratic society actual supporting what's happening in Thailand.

The attitude adjustments have worked out just fine on you lot.

For the life of me I cannot understand why some people just won't admit that the only reason the past two coups happened was because of the actions/inactions of the Shinawatra regime.

Accusing people of being "yellow dem junta ( same same) supporters" just proves your ignorance and explains why you have no credibility whatsoever and are seen by many posters as being nothing more than a naive and boring troll.

I for one would love to raise my son in a coup free Thailand but that will only ever happen when evil organizations like the PTP and redshirt terrorists are shut down.

Perhaps then we can have free and fair elections, honest and competent rule by a true government, and no fear of being gunned down or blown up by a government sponsored terrorist wing.

Mikey, where is the free and fair election that you want your son to be raise when you have only the choice parties that the establishment want. Ain't you contradicting yourself. Surely you don't want your son to be raise when the dad is speaking double tongue.

Talk about a waste of press space. Asking a former Dem and someone who being criticizing the rice scheme and wrote a book on it for a comment.

True, true. They should have asked common people.

"Given that Ms. Yingluck said her RPPS was 'self-financing' and lost 700 billion Baht, given that this has to be repaid by the government from your taxes, and given that with less financial margin the government will increase VAT, do you think Ms. Yingluck is

- a: innocent

- b: negligent

- c: criminal

- d: other (please specify)

Thank you."

The common people were asked and they voted her back to office. What next was a travesty of justice with the court invalidating the result and now this attempt to ban her for 5 years. The case before the NLA is politically motivated and the NACC is on a self serving personal agenda. Let's see them open up the case of the 2010 killings. Doubt that will see the light of day for a long time.

Talk about a waste of press space. Asking a former Dem and someone who being criticizing the rice scheme and wrote a book on it for a comment.

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If the NACC only based the case on evidences from the Dem Party and TDRI as reported, they have a weak case and enough for the NLA to dismiss the case. The NACC has not conducted a thorough investigation and only obtain limited information extraction from Dem and TDRI. Their biggest mistake is not considering information from more witnesses to form an objective prosecution.

Have you read all the evidence?

The scheme was a shambles, billions remain unaccounted for, the poor received very little, there appears to have been no proper accounting, warning including from international organizations were rebuffed, people who raised concerns were transferred and/or intimidated, one senior red shirt leader's wife's company seems involved in export fraud connected with false export deals, and the Chair of the rice policy committee, although self appointed, never attended one meeting but was quick to confirms there were no issues, problems, losses, poor quality or anything wrong with the scheme when previously challenged.

All the above is common knowledge, in the public domain. I have not seen what additional evidence has been presented to the NLA. But based on the evidence that is publicly available Eric do you believe there were no problems in the scheme and that Yingluck carried out her associated duties efficiently, effectively and in accordance with the oaths she swore when taking up office? A yes or no will suffice.

@eric loh

You said "If the NACC only based the case on evidences from the Dem Party and TDRI as reported...."

Where is it reported?

If you follow this case, you have read that the NACC based most of their evidence from the Dem Dr. Warong's investigation and old information by TDRI which brought a caution not to use their report. This was brought up in Yingluck's opening statement and reported in BP today.

Convict her and the speakers will galavanize their supporters and hardened their resolve to support Thaksin. May even win over some neutrals who are sick of the Dem, continuous power grab and disruption of their life and economy. International opinions will also be negative. Discharge the cases, PT will be stronger and win the next election. No wonder Thaksin is keeping a low profile and told his supporters to behave. He should be happy either way the cases will end.

Unless of course the Thai people are sick of the Shin lies, cheating and self enrichment schemes.

The PTP grip ain't so strong, especially now the income streams have been reduced and some are being seen to face the consequences of their corruption.

You may be right if the Shins are the only politicians that lies, cheat and corrupt in Thailand.

Good that you finally admit that the Shins lies and cheat and are corrupt. Well done in breaking your cycle of denial!

As I've said many times the lack of a real, genuine, political party that has the people's interests at heart and is not self serving is a massive problem for Thailand. What choice do they have? The old guard elite who run things for themselves, or the Shins, newer elite who run things for themselves, or the local provincial based power brokers who have their own parties who sell out to the highest bidders?

Good luck with the reforming.

Great, we can admit that others politicians are equally lairs and corrupted. Somehow the witch hunt only target the government under a Shin not Ahbisit. All need reform not selective targeting.

Convict her and the speakers will galavanize their supporters and hardened their resolve to support Thaksin. May even win over some neutrals who are sick of the Dem, continuous power grab and disruption of their life and economy. International opinions will also be negative. Discharge the cases, PT will be stronger and win the next election. No wonder Thaksin is keeping a low profile and told his supporters to behave. He should be happy either way the cases will end.

Unless of course the Thai people are sick of the Shin lies, cheating and self enrichment schemes.

The PTP grip ain't so strong, especially now the income streams have been reduced and some are being seen to face the consequences of their corruption.

You may be right if the Shins are the only politicians that lies, cheat and corrupt in Thailand.

If the NACC only based the case on evidences from the Dem Party and TDRI as reported, they have a weak case and enough for the NLA to dismiss the case. The NACC has not conducted a thorough investigation and only obtain limited information extraction from Dem and TDRI. Their biggest mistake is not considering information from more witnesses to form an objective prosecution.

this female is that dense she thinks she can get in there with her childish demeanor and all the men will fall at her feet and feel sorry for her. If they actually broadcast it people would think it is playschool with her hopeless ability to even string together a sentence that makes any sense. Someone really needs to tell her that having the mental capacity of a 10y/o and buying your degrees from a US university does not make you smart but then again it will be so funny to see her totally stuff this up as all the truth about exactly what she has presided(or should I say never presided) over and her full stupidity comes forth from her own mouth

Disgusting post denigrating Thailand's first female PM. She may not have been a 'great' but she has achieved far more than you or I ever will and deserves much credit for her fortitude. Luckily the vast majority of Thais support her - don't believe me? hold a FREE and FAIR election. The only 'stupidity' comes from your ignorant mouth because you have not 'caught on' as to why this is all happening (and NO it cannot be discussed here fool).

Why do you, and other Shin supporters keep trying to claim "the vast majority of Thai support her".

What do you base this untrue statement on - the Shin lie that she was elected with vast majority? Try largest minority, which is the truth.

Do you really think anyone would believe her popularity has actually increased since then? Only the Shin PR team would of course.

I am not a 'Shin supporter' nor do i believe in going backwards but the vast majority of Thais support PTP BECAUSE, largely, of no credible opposition and they loath the corrupt, nepotistic ammart that rape this country whilst their kids strut around like Ancient Roman Generals in their Ferrari's etc. Dems have never won an election in decades and never will - don't believe me? hold a FREE and FAIR election.

"...they loathe the corrupt, nepotistic ammart that rape this country."

You do understand the meaning of nepotism don't you binjalin.

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One big, rich, corrupt, happy family.

I believed nepotism relates to business where family members are favored. How's that relate to electoral process where you can be a favored family member but you still can't get that position without your party winning an election. In another words, what's good about nepotism if you are not elected by the people. Think you confuse yourself.

hate to tell you this eric but you have really stuck your foot in your mouth on this one and showed everyone just how blinkered you are by trying to create an excuse, politics if full of nepotism, especially here, or didnt you notice how many ptp members are part of thaksins extended family/related, man you really are one eyed, poor bugger

You really don't understand the subject. Pity. Thought you are brighter but nay, you are not.

this female is that dense she thinks she can get in there with her childish demeanor and all the men will fall at her feet and feel sorry for her. If they actually broadcast it people would think it is playschool with her hopeless ability to even string together a sentence that makes any sense. Someone really needs to tell her that having the mental capacity of a 10y/o and buying your degrees from a US university does not make you smart but then again it will be so funny to see her totally stuff this up as all the truth about exactly what she has presided(or should I say never presided) over and her full stupidity comes forth from her own mouth

Disgusting post denigrating Thailand's first female PM. She may not have been a 'great' but she has achieved far more than you or I ever will and deserves much credit for her fortitude. Luckily the vast majority of Thais support her - don't believe me? hold a FREE and FAIR election. The only 'stupidity' comes from your ignorant mouth because you have not 'caught on' as to why this is all happening (and NO it cannot be discussed here fool).

Why do you, and other Shin supporters keep trying to claim "the vast majority of Thai support her".

What do you base this untrue statement on - the Shin lie that she was elected with vast majority? Try largest minority, which is the truth.

Do you really think anyone would believe her popularity has actually increased since then? Only the Shin PR team would of course.

I am not a 'Shin supporter' nor do i believe in going backwards but the vast majority of Thais support PTP BECAUSE, largely, of no credible opposition and they loath the corrupt, nepotistic ammart that rape this country whilst their kids strut around like Ancient Roman Generals in their Ferrari's etc. Dems have never won an election in decades and never will - don't believe me? hold a FREE and FAIR election.

"...they loathe the corrupt, nepotistic ammart that rape this country."

You do understand the meaning of nepotism don't you binjalin.

thak.jpgying.jpgyaow.jpgsomch.jpgsura.jpg

One big, rich, corrupt, happy family.

I believed nepotism relates to business where family members are favored. How's that relate to electoral process where you can be a favored family member but you still can't get that position without your party winning an election. In another words, what's good about nepotism if you are not elected by the people. Think you confuse yourself.

If Singapore and Hong Kong are good examples, we should acknowledged what they do different. Both these countries were rooted with police corruption in the past but adopted some key changes in their salary structure and working condition, recruitment and selection, training that instill value and integrity and socialization. But most important is the political will. For Singapore, certainly Lee Kuan Yew unyielding will to stem out corruption was paramount. The junta has set the course, up to successive governments to continue with the political will to reform police corruption.