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Lots of farang money comeing in, doesn't anybody pay any taxes? so they can clean up this mess
They love the tourist money coming in but spending some of it on keeping the place clean and presentable not so much. It must reach crisis level before they roll up their sleeves and haul out the camera's to record the event and make it public to the world and then sing the song "Yu all Come" They are lulled by TAT's ever increasing numbers "tourism up 10%" that they do not seem to care until nobody comes then its time to care and so the cycle repeats itself.
I don't always agree with your posts, but this one is spot on! They seem to think that "clean and presentable" is is in some way contrary to traditional Thailand, and that we should accept it "warts and all". And as you say, "tourism is up by 10%"
so why worry? A bit off topic, but a recent conversation with a Thai stallowner went something like this:-
Me:- Things are quiet then?
Thai:- Yes, Low Season
Me:- But tourist figures are up by 10% - same same every year!
Thai:- But people not buy - Low Season
Me:- But if there are 10% more tourists, where are they?
Thai:- Walk, but not buy - Low Season.
At which point, I left, as I couldn't see anybody else "walking"!
However, on topic, the street where the stalls are is spotless. The majority of the stallowners are Burmese, (some Thai) but they erect and dismantle their stalls every day, and when they go home for the night, you can't tell they've been there. So either they tidy up on their own accord, or the Thai landlord makes it part of their "contract" to keep the street clean. Whichever it is, it shows that "where there's a will there's a way"!
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So.. smoking weed is actually less of a problem than vaping if I understand correctly.
Somehow that does make sense.
(For reference: http://www.thailand-lawyer.com/marijuana-arrest.html )
Yep, caught smoking marijuana - 10,000 baht fine and/or a year in jail.
Caught "vaping" :- "Sirirat said that while there is actually no law forbidding the possession of E-cigarettes they fall into a category of goods that have not had tax levied on them and their possession therefore is illegal. Offenders could face five years jail or a fine of four times the value of the goods or both jail and fine."
So there you have it - they're not making any money out of E-cigarettes, so they prefer people to smoke tobacco products because these are taxed!
Smoking marijuana is less of an offence, because the "tax returns " on that is hidden (in brown envelopes, no doubt) and already being handled by the appropriate Government Department!
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How about finding and jailing who ever was involved,
Well thats pretty obvious but its only a month old and even by western standards nailing the person within a month would be considered excellent police work however these things take time even when you know who did, you gotta prove it.
Went missing on May 24, found dead in a hotel room on May 25, and it's taken until 18/19/20 June(not clear when) to discover his body in a police morgue!
Am I missing something here?
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Go to any country in the world and you will see citizens throw trash away outside trash cans. And same country will have other citizens picking up trash under the name of some "clean the world" campaign of cleaning said country.
England ...........
Almost totally litter free, none on the roads, none in the parks, clean beaches.
Spain .............
Seems to be no trash anywhere in Spain.
Thailand ..........
Dirtiest country I have ever seen, rubbish on the beaches, countryside, roads, monuments, it's everywhere.
Brighton, Benidorm, Patong? Maybe get out of the tourist cities to some of the nice rural areas.
You've obviously never been to Indonesia if you say Thailand is the dirtiest country you've ever seen.
It doesn't really matter to this thread which is the dirtiest country in the world, just that Thailand must be well up there. I know that in (parts of) England, there are "Litter Police" who actually do their job, that there are bins to put rubbish in, and the Local Government Authority (LGA) are even putting pressure on chewing gum manufacturers to contribute "substantially" to the 60 MILLION POUNDS bill for cleaning chewing gum from the pavements of the cities!
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So you think the Dad could do a better job of finding him dead or alive, than the cops ?The dad has to come to Thailand if he wants anything to happen
He would probably fall in love the first day......open a bar a week latter........................
I don't think so, if he starts getting warm, he will be the next one to disappear....
As it's a 99% chance he is dead,, Hell, he was knocked out and then disappeared, and no one knows anything ? funny that...
If he was alive he would have ended up in hospital or dumped back in his room to wake up with a sore head the next day...
The being knocked out and his disappearance are two separate incidents. You make it sound like they are linked. He was reportedly knocked out by someone at a bar at some point. He later turned up missing from his rented room. It's not like he was knocked out at the bar and then dragged away by someone or a group of people.
" He later turned up missing from his rented room" So did he turn up at his rented room or not?
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What I don't understand is why foreigners are cleaning the larger more public beaches. So much of the trash is from the fishermen and as long as people clean the beaches the source of the problem is ignored. The ocean shouldn't be a garbage can for the Thai fishermen. It would be so easy to tell them they can't and fine them if they do. Education. It is just like a doctor putting cream on your rash when it could be stopped by eliminated something known from your diet.
" It would be so easy to tell them they can't and fine them if they do"
Easy enough to tell them, but as for the rest of it
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manual cleanup is nice, but a small tractor with the right rake equipment can drag the beach daily at low tide and do so in a fairly small amount of time.
I saw this every night in Spain when I anchored my boat off shore. Raking with a small tractor. Every night and every beach. What is the matter with TOT ? Angiolo
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The answer to your question is obvious - who's going to buy the tractor? A bit off topic, but if an island like Koh Samui has 250,000 tonnes of garbage due to an incinerator having been out of action for 8 YEARS.....?
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The garbage story about incinerator has different variations – in some news stories there are talked about two, where one is malfunctioning and the other working on 40 percent capacity. The reason for not being repaired was said to be due to warranty claim and discussions with the supplier; which in some stories has gone out of business. These stories has been going on for several years now, dating all way back to when the island had printed weekly newspapers, sometime in the long forgotten past. I saw, the then newly build incinerator back in 2001, so in that case it must have been working some years, if only 8 years with malfunction.
However, it's beyond my understanding, why the local administration had let it go on for that many years, instead of getting at least one – if there are two – incinerator working on full capacity. Expanding tourist business generates a lot of garbage – also indirectly from associated business like restaurants and malls, and furthermore assisting workers – so when applying for permission to build, expand or open tourist related business, a garbage fee should be part to make the incinerator operational, cover ongoing maintenance costs,and expand with back-up capacity; the fee could be a surcharge to the normal collection fee, it would probably not need to be much...
Personally I would not mind either, to pay a little garbage surcharge to get the problems solved.
Good post! We used to live in an area where the garbage was collected on a regular basis, and I willingly paid an additional 50 baht a month on top of the rent to cover the cost. However, the area we live in now does not have its garbage collected, and we have to make our own arrangements to dispose of our garbage - usually in plastic bags to the nearest overflowing green wheelie bin!
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As Samui is an island, the eventual destination of a proportion of that rubbish will inevitably be the sea. Thailand can maintain its position of being amongst the worlds 5 biggest plastic polluters of the oceans (all of them Asian countries)
Much of the rubbish does not need to be generated in the first place. This country has a serious problem with too much packaging on everything. Even a pack of biscuits has individually wrapped biscuits inside.
Tax packaging and use the money to build proper waste disposal plants. Too difficult?
Yes! Too difficult because "they" would probably see fit to employ a few dozen people to implement the scheme, when half a dozen would suffice, they would need air conditioned offices to work in, so by the time you've paid the wages and rent and utility bills, there would not be enough money left to build a dog kennel!
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Just so 3rd world. In tourist areas separate bins for recycling should be compulsory, as should regular emptying of the bins. Simple really ! Also how could "they" allow the garbage to accumulate for 8 years without fixing the incinerator. Seems they don't want any more tourists !!!
Quite agree, but I am sure that the "recycling" bins would be treated as just ordinary rubbish bins because even the standard green wheelie bins that are few and far between are almost always full to overflowing, and surrounded by bags of garbage due to the infrequent collection of the garbage.
I seem to remember at least a year ago that the PM had instructed the Governor of Surat Thani to look into the problem and come up with a solution, and prior to that, I read somewhere (Koh Samui Times?) that the Mayor on the island had actually been given a substantial sum of money to have the incinerator(s) fixed. So much for Government "help"!
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Not surprised on this state of things when the island floods frequently from the lack of storm drains that discharge into the sea.
I did not see any flooding problem discussed. Am I looking at the wrong article?
I think the poster was just showing another example of the lack of forethought and planning of the infrastructure on Koh Samui. One could also mention the frequent cuts to the electric and water supplies!
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wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.
I am going to tell you a true story. Several years ago I was a regular customer at a small Chiang Mai massage parlour. One of the staff was a particular beautiful girl and I always requested her for my massage. After several visits she began giving me services over and above her normal duty and I wasn`t complaining. Then out of the blue she said; OK, I`
Thank goodness you completed the story in a later post - I was getting quite excited!
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" Police hunt farang donation box robber"
OR:-
" PHUKET: Police are hunting for a 'farang-looking’ man who stole 1,400 baht from a donation box outside a mosque in Kamala. "
Proof reader required. Attention to detail necessary.
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She had tattoo's, so please expand your childish and stupid statement of "that means"-- what does it mean exactly?
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She had tattoo's, so please expand your childish and stupid statement of "that means"-- what does it mean exactly?You are right in a way but what makes this news is that he didn't may like millions of other people, he married a Pattaya woman,with tattoos.We all know what that means although many who also have done it are in denial.I hope your friend turns up alive.
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I am so very happy that so many people that post in this forum are so consistant with the low quality comments.
There is always something wrong with everything that is being done and happens here in Thailand.
How would it be to see something a little bit positive. Maby it would have been better that these lowlifes that
engage themselfs in ugly business can continue? No, then so many people have probelm with that!
When the police arrest them so many people that post think they are diong so much wrong.
Are you guys really serious! What are you doing here, or are you just sitting in the comfort of your home country
and need another country to piss on all the time just because your own lifes sucks?
Just let it be, or take the next plane home! To much nonsense from grown up people!
I think you will find that when something positive DOES happen in Thailand, (e.g. the 2 year jail sentence with no parole for the "thugs" who beat up the British family), the posts on here are generally complimentary. However, when justice is seen to be lacking, (the Red Bull heir case, and more recently, the Koh Tao fiasco of an investigation) yes, people do criticise the system here, and generally, have supporting evidence for their complaints.
Do you think that this is wrong? Or would you rather have a system where everything you read is monitored by the authorities, and if deemed "unsuitable", does not get printed?
As far as this post is concerned, I think the BIB have done a good job - compliments to all involved, but my only minor criticism would be to ask if everybody involved has to be in the photo?
After countless news stories, you would think perhaps people would realize the photos are the way things are done here. Not good. Not bad. Just different. Why is it a minor criticism?
Because if I said "criticism" a certain poster would have had me on the next plane home given a chance - oh sorry, I am home!
And with your permission, although I agree with your post, I would have worded it slightly differently i.e. "the way photos are done is the way things are done here"!
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I am so very happy that so many people that post in this forum are so consistant with the low quality comments.
There is always something wrong with everything that is being done and happens here in Thailand.
How would it be to see something a little bit positive. Maby it would have been better that these lowlifes that
engage themselfs in ugly business can continue? No, then so many people have probelm with that!
When the police arrest them so many people that post think they are diong so much wrong.
Are you guys really serious! What are you doing here, or are you just sitting in the comfort of your home country
and need another country to piss on all the time just because your own lifes sucks?
Just let it be, or take the next plane home! To much nonsense from grown up people!
I think you will find that when something positive DOES happen in Thailand, (e.g. the 2 year jail sentence with no parole for the "thugs" who beat up the British family), the posts on here are generally complimentary. However, when justice is seen to be lacking, (the Red Bull heir case, and more recently, the Koh Tao fiasco of an investigation) yes, people do criticise the system here, and generally, have supporting evidence for their complaints.
Do you think that this is wrong? Or would you rather have a system where everything you read is monitored by the authorities, and if deemed "unsuitable", does not get printed?
As far as this post is concerned, I think the BIB have done a good job - compliments to all involved, but my only minor criticism would be to ask if everybody involved has to be in the photo?
Just totally useless trying to talk sense into people that just like to complain over everything.
My point stands. If you are not happy here and can accept how things are done and work, just choose another country that has all what you search for.
What is the use in trying to torture yourself with staying in a place where everything is so wrong.
I actually believed that people move to a country to get a nice life and harmony, and really enjoy their time instead of just complaining.
There is a whole world waiting outside for everyone that can not accept how it is where they are at the moment. And as you see, my post was quite popular with the people that can accept it is not their country.
Take a step back, sir! This is all getting very much off topic, but if I may reply:-
"Just totally useless trying to talk sense into people that just like to complain over everything."
As far as I can see, nobody is complaining about EVERYTHING - it just appears so to yourself.
"My point stands. If you are not happy here and can accept how things are done and work, just choose another country that has all what you search for."
Nirvana is what you describe, and I do not believe that that country/state exists on this world. Can you not see that the people who are complaining are only doing so because they feel that certain things could be so much better if certain logical changes (in their opinion) were made? A minor example:- You can not purchase alcohol in our local (and I believe, countrywide) Tesco branch before 5pm on an afternoon. So why does the girl in the alcohol department allow you to select your beers and spirits, put them in your basket/trolley, only for the checkout girl to say "No can have until 5 pm"? As I point out - a minor point, but very frustrating when there is a very simple solution to the problem - I'm sure I don't need to explain it in detail. It's the same in many stores where "No have" is the standard answer when you know fine well that they "do have", but they can't be bothered to look!!! And, yes, before you mention it, I know that that happens in other countries as well.
MY point is that I believe nobody expects perfection here, and if the truth be known, the majority of farangs are probably better off financially here than in their own country, the climate is much better, and if my country is anything to go by, I feel a lot safer here walking down a main street on a weekend than in my own "home" town!
However, that does not mean to say that in any society there is not room for improvement, and I do feel that Thailand/Thais are particularly reluctant to listen to advice on any matter - it's down to that old "face" thing! And also the fact that no matter how satisfactory your situation is, there is always room for improvement, and to say "if you don't like it,take the next plane home" doesn't really cut it with me. I have lived here for quite a few years, so I'm not a "newbie", and don't complain about "everything", but if I see a situation that could be improved, then I think it is appropriate to voice my opinion about it.
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It took only 2 weeks to come up with that response..Looks like someone else has been drinking! I'm seeing double! Or did you post your comment twice to try to make it more convincing?
And how do you know that they had been drinking all day? An assumption, or were you stalking them?
And what are "surprise" drunk Thais? Do you mean that it's a surprise that Thais are drunk? Or don't start a fight with drunk Thais or you will end up with a surprise?
No, drinking did not have everything to do with their injuries - it may have been a contributing factor, but the main cause of their injuries were the fists and feet of cowardly (drunken) Thai men/youths - and there is no getting away from that - it's on the video!
Here you go.
You >> ... Don't start a fight with drunk Thais or you will end up with a surprise?
You should know that answer...
I can only assume, your thoughts are...
It's all within a tourist rights, to hit a Thai and Thais should just stand there and be abused..
In which the Thai, the old lady slapped was taking the abuse, but she felt the need to continue attacking him..
Anyway..
As I said from the beginning, this family did not deserve to get beat up..
But, if you're man or drunk enough to assault a drunk Thai..
Don't expect a surprise!!
A "surprise" would be... Not getting beat up or killed..
Most people with common sense know this already..
2 weeks? Ermm, maths not your strong point is it? From 6th June to 15th June is by my reckoning 9 days, but that is rather irrelevant to the topic, and a childish attempt to score Brownie points by commenting about how long it takes someone to reply to a post! I have my reasons for the delay, but that is none of your business, and is totally off topic.
I don't intend arguing the toss with you any more on this point - obviously we have differing viewpoints on the matter, and see the events on the video differently, and It would be interesting to know what would have happened if there had been no video footage available! But as far as I am concerned, the headline says it all, and surprisingly for LOS, is a fair punishment for how these thugs reacted to the situation.
A much more reasonable time frame -- to respond to a post..
FYI..
If you reply on or 9 days after a post.. Round up! Puts your reply 2 weeks later..
But, like you said, pretty childish to point that out..
"Two years" for the guy that put foot, to an old lady's face.. That is acceptable..
The others, should do less time (and might)..
If there was no video.. I would have assumed the BS story was true..
But... The video proves, the brutal attack was provoked by tourist!!
Was it a justified response by the Thai(s)??
Not the kick, to the old lady's face...
That's about it!!
You are obviously the type that always wants the last word, so obviously you will reply to this, but really, I have had enough of this bickering, so I will put a stop to this before somebody else does, so this is DEFINITELY my last post to you on this thread:-
"If you reply on or 9 days after a post.. Round up! Puts your reply 2 weeks later.."
What a petty excuse for what you agree was a childish comment in the first place! So if I reply 7 months later it becomes a year later as per your "Round up" calculations? I'm glad you do not have a job in Air Traffic Control, or any Government financial department!
As for the rest of it, you are in no position to decide whether or not it is acceptable that the only "thug" to do the full 2 years is the one who kicked the old lady in the face - that is up to the courts to decide - not you - that's about it!
No - not "about it" - "definitely it"!
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I am so very happy that so many people that post in this forum are so consistant with the low quality comments.
There is always something wrong with everything that is being done and happens here in Thailand.
How would it be to see something a little bit positive. Maby it would have been better that these lowlifes that
engage themselfs in ugly business can continue? No, then so many people have probelm with that!
When the police arrest them so many people that post think they are diong so much wrong.
Are you guys really serious! What are you doing here, or are you just sitting in the comfort of your home country
and need another country to piss on all the time just because your own lifes sucks?
Just let it be, or take the next plane home! To much nonsense from grown up people!
I think you will find that when something positive DOES happen in Thailand, (e.g. the 2 year jail sentence with no parole for the "thugs" who beat up the British family), the posts on here are generally complimentary. However, when justice is seen to be lacking, (the Red Bull heir case, and more recently, the Koh Tao fiasco of an investigation) yes, people do criticise the system here, and generally, have supporting evidence for their complaints.
Do you think that this is wrong? Or would you rather have a system where everything you read is monitored by the authorities, and if deemed "unsuitable", does not get printed?
As far as this post is concerned, I think the BIB have done a good job - compliments to all involved, but my only minor criticism would be to ask if everybody involved has to be in the photo?
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These cops DO like do be in a photo, don't they? In one pic, 3 "skimmers" and 12 police officers!
Still, not enough room for the old pointing finger due to lack of space!
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Looks like someone else has been drinking! I'm seeing double! Or did you post your comment twice to try to make it more convincing?
And how do you know that they had been drinking all day? An assumption, or were you stalking them?
And what are "surprise" drunk Thais? Do you mean that it's a surprise that Thais are drunk? Or don't start a fight with drunk Thais or you will end up with a surprise?
No, drinking did not have everything to do with their injuries - it may have been a contributing factor, but the main cause of their injuries were the fists and feet of cowardly (drunken) Thai men/youths - and there is no getting away from that - it's on the video!
It took only 2 weeks to come up with that response..
Here you go.
You >> ... Don't start a fight with drunk Thais or you will end up with a surprise?
You should know that answer...
I can only assume, your thoughts are...
It's all within a tourist rights, to hit a Thai and Thais should just stand there and be abused..
In which the Thai, the old lady slapped was taking the abuse, but she felt the need to continue attacking him..
Anyway..
As I said from the beginning, this family did not deserve to get beat up..
But, if you're man or drunk enough to assault a drunk Thai..
Don't expect a surprise!!
A "surprise" would be... Not getting beat up or killed..
Most people with common sense know this already..
2 weeks? Ermm, maths not your strong point is it? From 6th June to 15th June is by my reckoning 9 days, but that is rather irrelevant to the topic, and a childish attempt to score Brownie points by commenting about how long it takes someone to reply to a post! I have my reasons for the delay, but that is none of your business, and is totally off topic.
I don't intend arguing the toss with you any more on this point - obviously we have differing viewpoints on the matter, and see the events on the video differently, and It would be interesting to know what would have happened if there had been no video footage available! But as far as I am concerned, the headline says it all, and surprisingly for LOS, is a fair punishment for how these thugs reacted to the situation.
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The bar owner who hyped the whole thing up is now keeping a very low profile.
He was the one who started the story that they were innocent victims and he exaggerated the extent of their injuries.
The reality is that they had nothing more than a few minor cuts and bruises, and headaches which more than likely were cause by their all day drinking session.
Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on this one, if you got a punch in the face, then a kick in the head, and you were hospitalized and operated on for blood pressure to the brain I think it would be reasonable to assume that it was caused by more than an all day drinking session - mine don't end up with me in a hospital bed!
All day of drinking had plenty to do with their injuries..
Drinking is what made this family do, what they may have not have done, if sober..
And that was to start a fight with "surprise" drunk Thais..
Looks like drinking, had everthing to do with their injuries..
Looks like someone else has been drinking! I'm seeing double! Or did you post your comment twice to try to make it more convincing?
And how do you know that they had been drinking all day? An assumption, or were you stalking them?
And what are "surprise" drunk Thais? Do you mean that it's a surprise that Thais are drunk? Or don't start a fight with drunk Thais or you will end up with a surprise?
No, drinking did not have everything to do with their injuries - it may have been a contributing factor, but the main cause of their injuries were the fists and feet of cowardly (drunken) Thai men/youths - and there is no getting away from that - it's on the video!
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Overstay BS.
Who cares.
Some real nasty crime out there, BIB,
go sort it out, its right under your nose
Of course in this case it was immigration officers, but still they could freelance and start investigating thefts and murders or issuing parking tickets.
I suppose the same thing could be said back in Farang Land. Leave all the illegal aliens alone until all the "real" criminals have been caught.
Plenty of drug dealers, child molesters and bankers wandering around. Throw open the borders until those miscreants are all behind bars.
Plenty of drug dealers, child molesters and bankers wandering around. Throw open the borders until those miscreants are all behind bars.
Love it!
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to protect and serve ?
You beat me to it Smedly!
Man who hit girlfriend wearing army top apologises for hurting the military
in Thailand News
Posted
Agreed! I think "drunk and disorderly" covers the violence aspect, but there should be another category for those who commit crimes that they wouldn't normally do when sober. Far too often offenders use this as an excuse, and out come the "he needs help, not punishment" brigade!
I drink regularly myself, and quite often have "1 or 2" more than I should, but NEVER become violent - quite the opposite, in fact, I also have numerous friends who are the same. Unfortunately, I also know one or two individuals that,as you say, can't handle it, but they are certainly not friends! I know of one who is perfectly affable when drinking beer but give him one glass of spirits and he becomes "The Hulk"!