sambum

Going out in rough seas, in a boat not designed for it, wth a driver not trained to deal with the conditions exhibits a complete lack of common sense and greed on the part of the owner. The only way to prevent this kind of thing is to require training/licensing of the boat operators (licencee that can not be purchased with a donation) and accountability (heavy fines, loss of Licence, jail terms when negligence is found) by the pilot/operator and the boat owner. Does anyone else see the futility of this in a country that is unable to enforce even fire safety regulations or even bring to trial a boy why killed someone with his car? I myself have given up thinking anything will change. The systemic problems run far too deep and there is too much apathy. I feel like l live on a Hollywood movie set ... everything is a facade.

RIP to those who lost their life in this unfortunate accident. Wishes for a speedy recovery to those who were injured or traumatized.

Actually the drivers are trained... for one year before going out on their own, at least with the larger companies, and these boats deal with much rougher seas than it was yesterday.... All have life jackets too... people just don't want to wear them.

Pure nonsense in many of these posts ... and anyone would think these types of accidents don't occur in every country of the world...

They don't - some countries are landlocked.

How long is the big, rough, tough, soldier boy of a PM going to allow this fiasco to continue ?

The monk is making a fool of govt agencies and being allowed to do so but i suppose it's easier dragging in students etc for AA and threatening critics with 10 years in jail because they're all easier to handle.

Great leadership, again !

Or arresting Chinese tourists for feeding fish!

And then, I have to read this:

http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Tourist-arrested-feeding-fish/63952

How crazy a country can be, of-course, much more important than safety!!!

My thoughts entirely when I read that yesterday - at first I thought it was a joke! You CAN get stoned out of your brain and ride a motorbike into KFC , and CAN totally overload your speedboat and put to sea in obviously very dangerous conditions, but you CAN"T feed the fish!

Brakes failed?

Absolutely hilarious! Didn't realise that there was anybody on Thaivisa with such a fantastic way out sense of humour. You should be on the stage mate, and we could all throw overripe mangos at you - W****R!

I think you should be asked what you want!

I want people to realize that bashing someone just because they behave strangely (for whatever reason) but non-violently (and without threat of violence) should not be accepted in civil society. Have you ever heard of human rights?

He was being violent and had to be restrained. What about the rights of the shoppers that were probably frightened out of their wits? After all, let's be honest, you don't expect to run into a stoned man on a motorbike in KFC, do you?

he was on drugs at the time

Being on drugs does not automatically make someone dangerous, though some drugs may cause a person to be more likely to act out violence than when sober, e.g. ethanol ("alcohol" in beer, wine, spirits). Methamphetamine causes one to not feel tired at all and want to be active and productive, but not necessarily violent. Methamphetamine can make one feel euphoric, in which case the person is less much less likely to want to be violent than when sober, and more likely to want to engage in enjoyable activities.

Don't teach your Grandma how to suck eggs, sonny! I am a "child of the 60's" so don't need a lesson from you on the effects of narcotics! A stoned man on a motorbike in KFC is "automatically" dangerous!

"Most likely" is an extreme exaggeration. His home could be nearby and he may have arrived there without incident, just as hundreds of people drive home drunk after a night of heavy drinking. It is not good to be driving a vehicle whilst being affected by any drug, including legal recreational drugs like ethanol, so he should not have done so and should be punished for that. But was it right for members of the public to detain him and bash him? Based on the facts provided in the article, I don't think it was right.

He should have been asked what he wants. If he wanted to buy some chicken, then they could have served him and he may then have gone home. It's the duty of the police to detain someone for driving whilst under the influence of a drug.

Well, instead of being at loggerheads as if there wasn’t already enough struggle about and find what we can agree on. I’m sure you’ve noticed my concern for him NOT wanting to be injured by my words: “ending up injuring or killing himself or ….” so I don’t know how you reach the conclusion I approve of public beatings, which I don’t think it was, or have I in turn misunderstood you? ‘Battered’ was a play on words, as KFC chicken is battered.

You misquoted me by saying, “physical contact was initiated by the other people “ I said ‘physical struggle”. Struggle is different from touching an out of control person. He started the struggle. It appears you expected security and the public to do nothing about this law breaking person who needed both help and .control. Do you think he would have listened and be talked into compliance? Ask KFC management if it’s KFC policy to serve a completely stoned motorcycle rider inside the restaurant!

Aren’t we bordering on getting into ridiculous petty hypothetical wrangling? From what the article indicates, suggests to me that the security and public had the same concern, that he be restrained before he injure himself or someone else. You can’t win!!! Some TV poster complains because the public stands back and does nothing, but when they do, someone complains!

Have you viewed the video of him? He was physically and mentally out of control. Sure, he needed help. But he needed to be restrained first. It’s not normal to be utterly stoned, and riding shirtless (as the Thais object to that) and helmetless in a shopping mall and KFC. Yeah, we get into “What if’s”, again, such as "What if he’d ridden into a running toddler in the mall?" There would be an outcry then, about nobody stopping him riding, wouldn’t there? It’s a bit like some liberals excusing criminals of any blame and saying they’re only victims of their upbringing.

It’s amazing how people can wrangle and disagree so much on an incident like this. It had a humorous side to it because no one suffered real loss. Who knows? He may have been the winner by avoiding some calamity in his life later through having had this intervention.

Why don’t we lighten up a bit? Then I wouldn’t feel I have to go on and on in defence of my take!! Tonight I’m wondering, “Why do I even bother? Someone may come along and read into stuff not there”

Good post! Especially, ‘Battered’ was a play on words, as KFC chicken is battered."!

Some people don't understand or appreciate such subtlety, however, and my own offering about "the poor young man who is not at all to blame for anything as he was on drugs at the time and needs help, not punishment?" also appears to have fallen on stony ground! (Or should that read "stoned ground"?)

"It’s a bit like some liberals excusing criminals of any blame and saying they’re only victims of their upbringing."

Absolutely correct, and to be honest, if someone wants to get stoned or drunk or whatever you care to call it, I have no problem with that, but if they then need to be restrained because they become violent and a danger to other people and themselves, then they do become a problem, and it needs to be taken care of. This incident did indeed have a humorous side to it, and I am happy that it ended up on a slightly happier note than it could have been!

I didn't realise that, but why would it be accepted as proof of ANYBODY'S income if there is no name on it?

It's not accepted as proof of income, even it did have a name it is still not proof of anything other than the person has a bank account.

dick dasterdly is talking from his anus.

That's what I thought!

He wasn’t “bashed” or “assaulted”, but brought under control and restrained. He brought his injuries, which were minor, upon himself.

The article says he was "battered". That is similar to being "bashed" isn't it?

He initiated the physical struggle. Here are a couple of quotes from the article: “…he refused to give himself up quietly as a mob of people tried to restrain him” and “Security and members of the public tried to grab him but he started to fight”

"refused to give himself up quietly" indicates that he was loud, protesting against being detained. He wasn't holding a knife or gun and trying to rob the shop or anyone else. The physical contact was initiated by the other people - only when they physically grabbed him he responded physically. You would probably respond physically too if grabbed by a group of people without your willingness to be subjected to it, regardless of whether you were sober, drunk or high.

If allowed to continue afterwards on ‘his merry way’ on his motorbike, he most likely had ended up injuring or killing himself or a member of the public, fatally overdosing, or done in by Khlong.

"Most likely" is an extreme exaggeration. His home could be nearby and he may have arrived there without incident, just as hundreds of people drive home drunk after a night of heavy drinking. It is not good to be driving a vehicle whilst being affected by any drug, including legal recreational drugs like ethanol, so he should not have done so and should be punished for that. But was it right for members of the public to detain him and bash him? Based on the facts provided in the article, I don't think it was right.

He should have been asked what he wants. If he wanted to buy some chicken, then they could have served him and he may then have gone home. It's the duty of the police to detain someone for driving whilst under the influence of a drug.

I think you should be asked what you want! Are you perhaps a friend or a relative of the poor young man who is not at all to blame for anything as he was on drugs at the time and needs help, not punishment?

Sorry to take so long to respond - my modem was destroyed (yet again...) by a distant storm.

I provided proof of income details, so gave them copies of my Thai bank ATM card. Easy to replace and only costs 100 bht.

I still don't think it's a good idea to give a copy of your ATM card to ANYBODY!

I wouldn't get overly concerned about the ATM card Sambun as the Thai ones don't have your name on them so really are useless as proof of anything.

I didn't realise that, but why would it be accepted as proof of ANYBODY'S income if there is no name on it?

Thailand shows its true colours.

Despicable and corrupt to the core.

Winnie

How so? The fact that they brought it up again after 4 years instead of sweeping it under the rug clearly tells a different story. He will miss the new date again and after that it will be an arrest warrant which forces him to join Thaksin.

The fact that they brought it up again could be cynically interpreted as "the brown bag needs a refill"

My God, this young man. Khun Yorvidhya killed a policeman who had a family.... who was on duty early in the morning and the "Red Bull" grandson smashed directly into the back of the motorcycle with his new Ferari sports car...didn't even stop but continued to drive the car to his gated housing compound. No compasion what so ever. And the police department does not have the balls to take action??? When he does show up, I can predict "Boss" will go to the temple to be a monk and ask for forgiveness.

We farng and Thais all can take action by not boycotting Red Bull products.

Think you mean "farangs" mate! And do you not mean "by boycotting Red Bull products"?

Throw his Father and Mother in jail and see what family loyalty will do then.

When he comes to face the music then release them.

Targeting relatively-innocent parties such as Mum & Dad is despicable in most civilized countries, so leave them out of it.

Besides, from the perp's lack of morals, I don't think that he would give a toss about his parents anyway,

I think he will probably give a toss about his parents if the supply of baht dried up!

Spoilt brat anyway. so his parents are also partly to blame.

Another posted stated, turn wanting front and BACK of his amt card,,!? that REEEKS of nefarious purposes,, 1,, there's no need for the front,, let alone the security code on the back,,, years ago credit card companies told me never hand out your credit card to a waiter or such at a store, restaurant, etc,, as that was EXACTLY how your account would be compromised,, the waiter, etc would then sell that info,, they told me that was the most common way for your card to be compromised,, in fact they told me if a waiter or clerk ever turn your card over to look at the back to immediately contact their manager,, so with this new info they now know where Joe Farlang hangs out,, how much he has in his account etc, etc,, that's very very scary info for corrupt officials say a policeman to have, as they have been known to kidnap wealthy individuals and ransom them,, this pertinent info just narrows their field down to certain individuals,,, I mean why bother extorting someone who has little money, let's find someone who does,

That was my post, and I agree,

I pointed out why this was not a good idea (from my POV), but the 'rules' change so regularly (and depending on the person involved) - I quickly realised it was a pointless discussion. Far better to just provide the photocopies and cancel the card.

And somehow get someone to bring a replacement card out here for you from your home country, or pay a substantial amount of money for it to be sent here by courier?

Sorry to take so long to respond - my modem was destroyed (yet again...) by a distant storm.

I provided proof of income details, so gave them copies of my Thai bank ATM card. Easy to replace and only costs 100 bht.

I still don't think it's a good idea to give a copy of your ATM card to ANYBODY!

"No charges have yet been laid in the matter as no one has suffered any loss."

Unbelievable! "Endangering life while under the influence of drugs" might be one, and I am sure that the BIB could find a few more if they REALLY thought about it, or has the brown envelope been passed on already?.

Looking at the guy, I seriously doubt he is coherent or sophisticated enough to manage a "brown envelope" transaction.

And, quite honestly, I don't think I would be all that surprised to see a perfectly sober Thai drive their motocy into KFC and place an order. Okay, sure, that is a bit of a stretch, but the standard of driving here is quite different from what I am accustomed to. Seeing the video, it is amazing that he was able to drive without causing harm, so that was a bit of good fortune. Having never done yaba or anything like it, I cannot speak to how it affects one's ability to drive.

Finally, regardless of the fact that it appears he caused no real damage or harm driving into the mall, once they get the blood work back on this guy, he is definitely going to be serving some time for the use of yaba. At a minimum, they place you in holding with a crowd of other yaba users, with no phone or other outside contact, until you dry out, then you are placed on probation. So, yeah, he is not happy.

So, are you clued up on the sentencing here, or just talking <deleted> ?

Just like the '500 baht, slap on the wrist' brigade.

It amazes me, that Thai jails are so overcrowded, when all the the legal beagles on here know, that all you have to do is, pass over a brown envelope, and guarantee your freedom.

I bet Mr T. wishes he thought of that, instead of being exiled in Dubai.

Unfortunately, the "500 baht, slap on the wrist" scenario does happen, and brown envelopes do change hands - and I do KNOW that. And although I am not in possession of any facts or figures (so don't ask for any!) I would have a guess that a great number of the Thais in Thai prisons do not come from wealthy families.

"No charges have yet been laid in the matter as no one has suffered any loss."

Unbelievable! "Endangering life while under the influence of drugs" might be one, and I am sure that the BIB could find a few more if they REALLY thought about it, or has the brown envelope been passed on already?.

Looking at the guy, I seriously doubt he is coherent or sophisticated enough to manage a "brown envelope" transaction.

And, quite honestly, I don't think I would be all that surprised to see a perfectly sober Thai drive their motocy into KFC and place an order. Okay, sure, that is a bit of a stretch, but the standard of driving here is quite different from what I am accustomed to. Seeing the video, it is amazing that he was able to drive without causing harm, so that was a bit of good fortune. Having never done yaba or anything like it, I cannot speak to how it affects one's ability to drive.

Finally, regardless of the fact that it appears he caused no real damage or harm driving into the mall, once they get the blood work back on this guy, he is definitely going to be serving some time for the use of yaba. At a minimum, they place you in holding with a crowd of other yaba users, with no phone or other outside contact, until you dry out, then you are placed on probation. So, yeah, he is not happy.

Agree with what you are saying, it's just the statement by the RTP chappie that is misleading as always!

Just one small point though - the brown envelope needn't necessarily come from him - Daddy might have a stash of them for such an emergency!.

Really??? Is there some kind of competition going on who can make first comments in this forum or what? It´s a pity because there might be someone having a good factual comment here but it will be vanished within this rubbish. I hope that administrator should watch a little bit more if these comments actually have any value here? And yes, I don´t have to read any comments and I wont. I think these are normally some Britons who like to assert themselves for some unknown reason?

You don't read any comments, yet you are complaining about the standard of the comments? Your own words make a liar out of you!.

And what qualification do you have to determine the nationality of the English speaking posters on ThaiVisa? Some kind of clairvoyant, perhaps?

Additionally, as a "newbie", I find it extraordinary that you are already advising the "administrator" how to do his/her job!

LOL. Yes I don´t send any rubbish here as you do. I have read the comments enough to make my opinion of people who comment here. I actually like to read Thai Visa news, but not that b....hit that you and your Briton friends write here. You have nearly 1300 posts here and you are proud of it? Every post you sent is as clever as your last one. Nothing to say, just posting to get higher rank. Very clever

First of all "you don't send any rubbish here as I do" That is a matter of opinion, but it's a bit rich of you criticising comments that you have never read (by your own admission!), but are b...hit!!! (Erm, if you don't read them, how do you know?)

And as for bringing nationalities into the conversation - how would you know what nationality I or any of my friends are? That only makes you less believable in any point that you are trying to get across. If you just make wild assumptions about a person's nationality, then it follows that you will make wild assumptions about other relevant points in your interpretation of.any consequent discussion.

Your only points appear to be:-

A severe criticism of people's posts on Thai Visa (that you don't read!)

A severe criticism of the people that make those posts ("that b....hit that you and your Briton friends write here".)

I never mentioned the number of posts that I had to my credit - only the number of yours to illustrate that that as a relative newbie, you may or may not be aware of various Forum Rules, which you have already breached by making personal attacks on me, on "Britons" as a whole, and by even questioning the role of the Administrator.

So, in reality, it's YOU that has nothing to say, except to criticise the posts, the posters, and even the people who administer the Forum, so if I were you, I wouldn't bother with any more posts, unless you can come up with something a little bit more constructive.

Oh, and by the way you opened your reply with a comment that baffles me, and always has - LOL (Laugh Out Loud) and then you launch into a completely humourles post that certainly didn't make me Laugh Out Loud, and presumably, all the rest of the b...hit posts didn't make you Laugh Out Loud, so why bother using it?

Really??? Is there some kind of competition going on who can make first comments in this forum or what? It´s a pity because there might be someone having a good factual comment here but it will be vanished within this rubbish. I hope that administrator should watch a little bit more if these comments actually have any value here? And yes, I don´t have to read any comments and I wont. I think these are normally some Britons who like to assert themselves for some unknown reason?

You don't read any comments, yet you are complaining about the standard of the comments? Your own words make a liar out of you!.

And what qualification do you have to determine the nationality of the English speaking posters on ThaiVisa? Some kind of clairvoyant, perhaps?

Additionally, as a "newbie", I find it extraordinary that you are already advising the "administrator" how to do his/her job!

They probably wait until the garbage breaks into the ground water and posions the whole water supply of Koh Samui.

[Chemicals, batteries and all sorts of toxic material just disposing into a large whole rarely works !!!]

When the first people die, the Island will be empty pretty quick and uninhabitable for a rather long time.

Then the problem is solved for the people involved as they will simply walk away. They have made their money ...

... sadly this might be what happens [sooner or later].

And we might be much closer to this point than anybody wants to acknowledge.

On 24 May 2016 "The forum voted to hire a private company to transport and manage waste outside of the city, concluding that this was the most environmentally friendly option available"

From a ThaiVisa article earlier this year - note the following extract:-

"In 2008 an ultimatum was issued from the Governor of Surat Thani to bring in contractors to deal with the problem, sadly it appears to have fallen on deaf ears."

Samuis garbage disposal crisis continues 0

"No charges have yet been laid in the matter as no one has suffered any loss."

Unbelievable! "Endangering life while under the influence of drugs" might be one, and I am sure that the BIB could find a few more if they REALLY thought about it, or has the brown envelope been passed on already?.

he said he was drunk and had an urge for sex.

so he will be free i guess . this excuse is legit in thai law

No he won't. Why would you say that an excuse like that is legitimate in Thai law? You must have missed this..."Police detained him Sunday as they prepare their case".

I think sarcasm is lost on some people!

Read my article. That's pretty much exactly what I did. I refused to pay a fine that the shmucks from Kantang wanted to levy on me, and even presented my hands for cuffs and told them to arrest me. I walked out with my 90 day extension and no fine.

Seriously, people need to read the article. We have the legal authority to push back against this bullshit now. If they don't adhere to their own law, then they will lose major face. It also includes references to agencies for complaints.

http://diogeneticlight.blogspot.com/2016/04/thailands-licensing-facilitation-act-of.html

What 90 day extension were you applying for?

What immigration fine did you refuse too pay?

They refused to accept my 90 day by mail. Instead of contacting me, as the law requires, they wanted to play telephone through a teacher at my school. I told the teacher that I wasn't required to go in, I sent it by mail. They tried to give me a fine for not doing the 90 day. I think it was 2,000bht. I cited the law to immigration (at a different office) and invited them to arrest me. It's all in the story.

I was a little confused as to why immigration would be trying to fine someone granted a 90 day extension.

The way that I read it is that they were trying to impose a fine because they refused to accept the application by mail, so as far as they were concerned he had not been given a 90 day extension, hence the threatened 2000 baht fine.

It just amazes me that our embassy types sit on their polished pants and do nothing to help us. All they do is give us this blah blah blah about obeying the rules of a foreign country. They want us good little consumers who do have money to spend to stay at home and boost the local economy.

What would you like your embassy to do about this form, Fill it in for you ?

No silly just make their lips move and inform the Thai government and immigration that this is an ILLEGAL FORM. Capish

Why is it illegal?

It's your choice whether or not to complete it.

See Post #267

It just amazes me that our embassy types sit on their polished pants and do nothing to help us. All they do is give us this blah blah blah about obeying the rules of a foreign country. They want us good little consumers who do have money to spend to stay at home and boost the local economy.

What would you like your embassy to do about this form, Fill it in for you ?

No silly just make their lips move and inform the Thai government and immigration that this is an ILLEGAL FORM. Capish

Why is it illegal?

It's your choice whether or not to complete it.

See Post #267

It just amazes me that our embassy types sit on their polished pants and do nothing to help us. All they do is give us this blah blah blah about obeying the rules of a foreign country. They want us good little consumers who do have money to spend to stay at home and boost the local economy.

What would you like your embassy to do about this form, Fill it in for you ?

No silly just make their lips move and inform the Thai government and immigration that this is an ILLEGAL FORM. Capish

Why is it illegal?

It's your choice whether or not to complete it.

Of course it is! And it is also the Immigration Officer's choice whether to grant you a visa or extension or whatever you went in there for in the first place!

 

I can only assume that most on here would prefer that Thailand adopted a visa application process similar to the UK. No visa exempt and a 12 page visa application form, not to mention supporting documents and the restrictions on long term stay.

Careful what you wish for.

 

Sorry, but it's not an apples and oranges comparison. The UK has their process set to screen people out. If they didn't then so many under-educated people would blood the UK and not be able to find work that the system would crash.

In Thailand, most foreigners are more highly educated and contribute more to the economy than the average native. They don't need to screen us as tightly as our home countries do.

We don't need a UK style system. We only want an honest one.

I presume by "blood" you mean "flood" and isn't that happening already, as forecast by Enoch Powell in his famous "Rivers of Blood speech? (Maybe that's where you got it from!)