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Ali was the greatest, yet Thai tv insults his memory by showing another mans photo !!DISGUSTING !!

Does it really matter much here, after all he wasn't Thai !

Then why report his death on Thai TV?

Ah, the old pointing finger again! Still, I think I've sussed it - only the "boss" is allowed to point - the rest of you - hands behind your backs, please! OR - the other 4 officials are "armless", and consequently only one has the ability to point!

The bar owner who hyped the whole thing up is now keeping a very low profile.

He was the one who started the story that they were innocent victims and he exaggerated the extent of their injuries.

The reality is that they had nothing more than a few minor cuts and bruises, and headaches which more than likely were cause by their all day drinking session.

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on this one, if you got a punch in the face, then a kick in the head, and you were hospitalized and operated on for blood pressure to the brain I think it would be reasonable to assume that it was caused by more than an all day drinking session - mine don't end up with me in a hospital bed!

Oh this again. Is it that time of the month again? Meanwhile tourists are dying and being beaten in droves, can't wait for the July media release stating stringent measures being rolled out to protect tourist dollars.

Love the bitter foriegners, dying and beaten in droves.. Ahahaha, beating tourist hmm come to Australia and see

I have told him a million times not to exaggerate.

30 million tourists come a year and a handful get beaten up.

From that handful, most have brought it upon themselves by slapping, punching, pushing, swearing, abusing, spitting or not paying for their drinks etc A few more are injured while being robbed as is normal in any country.

There are transport accidents but common sense should tell you not to get on an overcrowded speedboat in weather that already caused the cancellation of the very same tours by other companies. Don't hire a motorbike if you don't have a licsence and wear a helmet if you do. Don't drink and ride/drive.

IMO the best thing they could do would be to hand out a list of dos and don'ts with the arrival card on the plane. Let tourists know that Thais don't want to be patted on the head (farangs mistakenly think they are being friendly), don't put your feet on things, and all the things that the Thais are sensitive to, but farangs are not. Don't make an angry big scene out of a small mix up.

The Thais are very friendly people and most are proud of their country and happy to share it with polite foreigners. The way I have been treated by thai people here has been great.

As the above poster said, go to Australia and see how foreigners are treated there. No one goes out of their way to help foreigners. They will likely be racially abused on public transport, attacked for fun, and in the more severe cases be shot and buried in the bush.There was also the case of the Thai woman being thrown off a bridge and being fed to saltwater crocodiles. A Thai school girl is still missing. Indian students are singled out for beatings.

Thais don't go around beating up foreigners just for fun, there is usually something that sparks these incidents and often it is drunk or angry foreigners.

Lovely people these Thais, 30 million tourists coming this year, 29,999,900 will have a great time, many will have the best time of their lives.

"Common sense should tell you not to get on an overcrowded speedboat .....................etc"

Common sense should tell the speedboat driver not to overload it in the first place - should be a maximum number of passengers allowed that should NEVER be exceeded. Baht rules OK?

These thugs will be hero's inside.They beat up ferangs,which the thugs consider their god given right.

I only hope these victims never paid their hospital bills,and the hospital will be chasing the villains for recompense.

After all would you pay? I would have to say "sorry we dont have any money and we came to Thailand for a wonderful holiday.We didnt expect to get the shit kicked out of us by the friendly locals,and as for your bill,go f##k yourselves"

I think that their bills have already been paid by TAT in return for a bunch of flowers and a statement saying that they would definitely be coming back to Thailand, . What they said once they returned to the UK is a different matter!

The Red Bull heir is not a victim of circumstance though sadly the policeman he killed was.

As for most civilised countries this subject would not even be discussed as the perp would have been arrested and put in jail as soon as they had found him at home. Should a senior police officer been found trying to assist him then he would have been suspended and put on trial for attempting to pervert the course of justice and most probably jailed also.

Trying to compare the Thai police and Thai justice with most civilised countries doesn't work.

Ted Kennedy and Mary-Jo bring back any memories of rich and powerful families in a country that is not Thailand.

Don't forget the Bushes! They managed to get a REAL idiot into the most powerful job in the world. In fact they are directly responsible for the Muslim terrorist groups we have today due to their obvious(except to americans it seems) starting of wars to benefit their oil companies.

So now it's become a political, anti American, anti Muslim terrorist thread!

Notice that nobody attempted to help whist is was happening Thai just standing there watching......Cowards.

As for Thai, Drink and Song Gran........It's a recipe for violence.

No Brainers!

Sentence 1 - Agreed.

Sentence 2 - Before you criticise something - learn to spell it! (English 1? - bad choice!)

Sentence 3 - Contributes nothing.

Bad choice of reply ........criticise is spelled that way in real English....

Your point being?

No.2

Notice that nobody attempted to help whist is was happening Thai just standing there watching......Cowards.

As for Thai, Drink and Song Gran........It's a recipe for violence.

No Brainers!

Sentence 1 - Agreed.

Sentence 2 - Before you criticise something - learn to spell it! (English 1? - bad choice!)

Sentence 3 - Contributes nothing.

Bad choice of reply ........criticise is spelled that way in real English....

Your point being?

Notice that nobody attempted to help whist is was happening Thai just standing there watching......Cowards.

As for Thai, Drink and Song Gran........It's a recipe for violence.

No Brainers!

Sentence 1 - Agreed.

Sentence 2 - Before you criticise something - learn to spell it! (English 1? - bad choice!)

Sentence 3 - Contributes nothing.

Even though it took far too long for this to finally be exposed to the public, although most of us knew something was going on in one form or another at this despicable place, I will say congratulations to the Thai authorities for finally getting off your lazy asses and doing something about it.

Ohhh please! The way it is looking the temple will be back in business in a year or 2 now that they have been given a zoo license. Only this time they will be operating legally to the government and no one will question what is happening in the back rooms there. Do you really think that this will end simply because a they are cracking down there right now? There is too much money to be made and lost and too many people who were getting some hefty envelopes that turned a blind eye to what was happening there before. These actions now are just a minor inconvenience and a delay in their profits. Until the government arrests everyone there including the Abbott that told the monk to deliver those skins and amulets and tears that temple down. Notice in the article they were moving those items to an undisclosed location and they don't mention any names who gave the offer to get them out of the temple. Even now the gigs up the monk's are trying to salvage their money makers for the future. A shame and disgrace for all Thai Buddhism but, then again, they are not the only ones perverting their religion.

Yes, the key words here are "undisclosed location" and "no names mentioned". Of course, it may be that there may be another location that is next on the places to be visited by Wildlife/Conservation Officers, and they don't want to give advance warning! Or, it may be that advance warning HAS been given so that the decks can be cleared, so to speak! What do you think?

RIP good sir - who knows what demons plagued you.

Perhaps a Thai gf.

I wondered how long it would take!

Who stuffs their Mac into check-in luggage? Sheer idiocy.

Sorry the 2,000B compensation didn't cover the 40,000B Mac. Som-nam-naa.

2000 baht probably wouldn't have covered the cost of the make up! Maybe her cabin luggage allowance was already taken up. The point is, 2000 baht compensation was totally inadequate for the damage caused, and the air line have upped the amount, only after the bad publicity.

Theyre Thais, what else would you expect?

Integrity?

That's exactly the point! Have to keep on attracting the quality tourists that have enough money to buy a 40,000 baht Mac in the first place, hence the very public announcement of increased compensation!

I'm sure you can show me an equally impressive list like this Rob, from NL. The only famous Dutch person died 2 months ago; Johan Cruyff(RIP). Who else was there? Rembrandt? That was 4 centuries ago. Jeroen Krabbe? 555. Who needs more punishment? LOL

I didn't drink back when I owned a pub in Belfast, that actually only started when I moved to TH in 98 and still it's at a very low level, so wrong again Rob. I never denied anyone the usage of my toilet and it always worked out in my favour. You are Dutch and see other human beings as mere economic beings who need to pay for everything or else they are freeloaders. The Dutch are well known for their business tactics throughout the world and indeed you would steal anything you could get your hands on back in the day, so don't call other people freeloaders, you robbed all your wealth from The Dutch Indies. The reason the Dutch royals are so rich is because of that and what they made from the slave trade over in Curacao. These days NL is not stealing from other countries, only from their own citizens who are sucked dry by the tax office, so I can imagine accountants and tax advisers are needed a lot over there

I never lost an argument against you, not the one about steroids, nor this one and I'm pretty sure I would stand my ground in Dutch against you too. Being a big boy through weightlifting doesn't make you stronger in words too Rob.

All the best!

Can someone tell me what this Dutch v Irish confrontation has to do with the fact that a Thai restaurant manager thumped a guy who threw 20 baht in his face?

The Thai bar manager punched the tourist in the face because the tourist didn't want to pay for using his toilet and our discussion is about hospitality and letting members of the public use your toilet if you are a bar/restaurant owner. Rob believes everyone should be forced to pay for this or else he/she is a freeloader. I believe toilets should always be public and free. We got into a discussion about Dutch/Irish culture and hospitality/friendliness, that kind of stuff. Make sense now?

What makes sense is the fact that you have summarised quite well the fact that your discussion/argument/mudslinging is about Dutch/Irish culture and hospitality, and nothing at all to do with the Thai restaurant manager thumping a customer!

classic Europe hypocrisy.

they speak about human rights etc but they are fine to close the doors to the face of migrants and let them drown.

Patience for the families of the deceased:( 700 people man!

We are at 21st century and hard to understand this:(

"ROME: -- 600 migrants have been brought safely ashore in the port of Reggio Calabria.by an Italian naval vessel."

I don't think I would normally have to explain the above comment, but as English obviously isn't your native language, I will just let you think about it in the light of your own words i.e.:-

"they are fine to close the doors to the face of migrants and let them drown."

Who stuffs their Mac into check-in luggage? Sheer idiocy.

Sorry the 2,000B compensation didn't cover the 40,000B Mac. Som-nam-naa.

2000 baht probably wouldn't have covered the cost of the make up! Maybe her cabin luggage allowance was already taken up. The point is, 2000 baht compensation was totally inadequate for the damage caused, and the air line have upped the amount, only after the bad publicity.

If not for social media, they would never have changed their tune.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I am curious how you reached that conclusion? Or is it just an early morning bash?

I would say that it's obvious - no proof needed!

I'm sure you can show me an equally impressive list like this Rob, from NL. The only famous Dutch person died 2 months ago; Johan Cruyff(RIP). Who else was there? Rembrandt? That was 4 centuries ago. Jeroen Krabbe? 555. Who needs more punishment? LOL

I didn't drink back when I owned a pub in Belfast, that actually only started when I moved to TH in 98 and still it's at a very low level, so wrong again Rob. I never denied anyone the usage of my toilet and it always worked out in my favour. You are Dutch and see other human beings as mere economic beings who need to pay for everything or else they are freeloaders. The Dutch are well known for their business tactics throughout the world and indeed you would steal anything you could get your hands on back in the day, so don't call other people freeloaders, you robbed all your wealth from The Dutch Indies. The reason the Dutch royals are so rich is because of that and what they made from the slave trade over in Curacao. These days NL is not stealing from other countries, only from their own citizens who are sucked dry by the tax office, so I can imagine accountants and tax advisers are needed a lot over there

I never lost an argument against you, not the one about steroids, nor this one and I'm pretty sure I would stand my ground in Dutch against you too. Being a big boy through weightlifting doesn't make you stronger in words too Rob.

All the best!

Can someone tell me what this Dutch v Irish confrontation has to do with the fact that a Thai restaurant manager thumped a guy who threw 20 baht in his face?

I am a scuba instructor in Thailand. Most speedboats I have been on have been captained by people that seem to only care about how fast they can drive. When the weather is bad small boats should be forbidden to leave port. End of story. I was in Cozumel, Mexico and was supposed to dive. Captain of the port said the weather was too bad. Closed the port. No boats allowed out under penalty of arrest. No diving that day even though much money was lost. Cozumel decided that negative publicity from an incident was worse than short term loss of income. It is time Thailand did the same.

Same power of arrest should apply to swimmers that ignore red flags.

Spot on bundy, recently I also observed some loutish behaviour in a Suk hotel restaurant by some Brits, it was well past 6pm and most of them were not even in long sleeved shirts.

We used to get up to some shenanigans in the Mess, rugby and that with the Regiment silver, but all were dressed correctly.

Since when has it been compulsory to wear long sleeved shirts after 6.00pm in Thailand ? I don't even own one.

I believe 'smart but casual' is accepted in most establishments.

I think he was being sarcastic/ironic...

Yes, some people don't appreciate it sarcasm or irony - usually non - Brits!

There is not much to say about the matter here. are you a jerk, you get treated like a jerk. Englishmen are not the most polite people on this earth

And neither are you to tar every Englishman with the same brush - are you a jerk? Yes!

the british can feel very lucky, that this thai criminal didnt have a gun.

You remember last year the young turkish guy who was shot dead (in Samui i think) in a pub/restaurant. And then the thai killer owner claimed it was self defense....

I thought he was a restaurant manager - according to the headline?

And if they would only of let him use the head there would not of been a problem !! I own a bar restaurant and I allow everybody and anybody to use the head !! I know it's hard for some to understand this but it's called being nice & polite NOT BEING A DOUCHEBAG !!

In Europe you have to pay to use the washrooms in restaurants, and they have people at the door to collect the money, and if you don't pay you can't go.

You should qualify that statement by saying "In some parts of Europe ............etc etc.

You certainly don't have to pay in the UK.

You would think that Thais who are crushed under corruption and have little choice in the life they are assigned would riot in the street...

The Thai Army are there to protect the rich and privileged in Thai society, if that includes shooting their fellow Thai's then that's what they will do, as long as the poor are kept in line and are afraid of The police and Army, they are doing their jobs correct and the heads of these organizations will enjoy the massive opportunities to continue the never ending circle of corruption, with nobody to answer to, cos the only people with the power to clip the wings of all these Generals won't do a thing, cos they need their protection from the poor masses.

Army and Police Generals can amass millions of USD's under this system, it suits them, it suits their rich and privileged masters. it doesn't suit the poor, but whoever cared about the poor anyway, they are expendable and the Thai education system is churning out thousands of poorly educated, brainwashed kids each year to continue the cycle.

And social media websites like Facebook are the light at the end of the tunnel!

I think that they are - I'm assuming that you meant it, and are not being ironic. They link huge numbers of the population,, particularly but not exclusively the young. Oh sure 90% of the traffic are photos of what you had for lunch, your friends cute new puppy and so on, but what they do provide is a channel for passing news, opinions and ideas which is outside the control of the government and the establishment which it serves. For example, it seems to me, they are the main channel for expressing the current dissatisfaction with the blatant exemption from the justice process of several wealthy and well connected people who have killed by dangerous driving and are trying to get away with it. In the past that would have remained a dark little secret. Social Media obviously worries the establishment, because they cannot close it down without risking mass fury, and although they can pick away at known opponents by monitoring their posts, to a degree, they cannot control the thoughts and posts of the millions of users - that would be like trying to pee up Niagara Falls! It's well established, growing, and out of their control. They have woken up to it too late, and I rather suspect it keeps some very influential people awake in their comfortable bedrooms at night.

No, I was not being ironic, and agree completely with what you are saying. Prior to the Internet, all these instances that you quote above would never see the light of day in any newspaper because that area of the media can be controlled by the Government. A similar situation is the Koh Tao affair - I don't think the RTP and Government realised how much they were "under the microscope", and did not expect anywhere near the flak they received due to the facts (or non-facts) being plastered all over Social Media! Maybe, gradually, they will wake up to the fact that they can't keep things hidden the way that they used to and "transparency" will have to be more than just a word that they continually flaunt, but don't adhere to.

I spend hours everyday looking through Thai media websites for news stories related to the ones featured on Thai Visa Thailand News. I enjoy finding out the latest news. Translating, looking for videos, photos, etc. I'm not the only one. This armchair media hunting or armchair detective thing is many peoples hobby these days. I try to get the latest news on Thai Visa before anyone else. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. I enjoy playing. I have always been a news junky since a little boy. Just in case you were wondering why I post some of the stuff you see. Just sayin.

Yes I know I'm sad. Still, beats stamp collecting.

Your honesty is appreciated, although I sometimes disagree with your opinions!

"What if he’d ridden into a running toddler in the mall?" There would be an outcry then, about nobody stopping him riding, wouldn’t there?

That's a different situation. He should be escorted by a security guard (who would continually ask him to leave). At any sign of potential danger the security guard should then intervene.

In this case there was no clear sign of danger with his use of the motorcycle if he was stationary most of the time before the bashing. I think most of the people there would have been watching and would know to avoid him if he did drive near them.

Once again - B*****T! If he'd run into a toddler he should NOT "be escorted by a security guard (who would continually ask him to leave)"

I didn't say that he should be escorted after hitting a toddler. I meant before any such incident. That's why I wrote "At any sign of potential danger the security guard should then intervene", so that such an incident would not eventuate. The guard should also call for backup so a group of guards can escort him wherever he goes (whilst continuing to ask him to get out) and at any opportune moment detain him if required.

You lie like a cheap Japanese watch! :-

Your statement above:-" I didn't say that he should be escorted after hitting a toddler. I meant before any such incident."

The Question from Siamwhiteelephant was :- "What if he’d ridden into a running toddler in the mall?" There would be an outcry then, about nobody stopping him riding, wouldn’t there?

Your Answer:- "That's a different situation. He should be escorted by a security guard (who would continually ask him to leave). At any sign of potential danger the security guard should then intervene."

At this stage, I suspect that you are actually being a troll, and deliberately trying to inflame the situation.