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Another posted stated, turn wanting front and BACK of his amt card,,!? that REEEKS of nefarious purposes,, 1,, there's no need for the front,, let alone the security code on the back,,, years ago credit card companies told me never hand out your credit card to a waiter or such at a store, restaurant, etc,, as that was EXACTLY how your account would be compromised,, the waiter, etc would then sell that info,, they told me that was the most common way for your card to be compromised,, in fact they told me if a waiter or clerk ever turn your card over to look at the back to immediately contact their manager,, so with this new info they now know where Joe Farlang hangs out,, how much he has in his account etc, etc,, that's very very scary info for corrupt officials say a policeman to have, as they have been known to kidnap wealthy individuals and ransom them,, this pertinent info just narrows their field down to certain individuals,,, I mean why bother extorting someone who has little money, let's find someone who does,

That was my post, and I agree,

I pointed out why this was not a good idea (from my POV), but the 'rules' change so regularly (and depending on the person involved) - I quickly realised it was a pointless discussion. Far better to just provide the photocopies and cancel the card.

And somehow get someone to bring a replacement card out here for you from your home country, or pay a substantial amount of money for it to be sent here by courier?

It would be good to have a readable image of this form, please Thaivisa or anybody visiting Phuket immigration.

To me this seems perverse and simply arse about face to suppress crime find those who do not register with immigration, a number that will likely increase with the introduction of this form.

BTW dear General can you show us the secure storage for this information?

here you go .

Foreign National Information.pdf

Thanks for that. Having seen it, I don't think it's a big deal, though it would be good to know what types of visas require the bank account info.

Obviously Retirement Visa (for one) if you are using the 800,000 baht in Thai Bank route.

Just two comments; one, if you live in another country you abide by their rules or leave.

Two, I just wish they had similar rules in the UK, where long stay visitors seem to wander around anonymous and not always for the good of the Country. In these days of extremism and terrorism, it's hardly surprising that the Authorities, of whatever colour are taking a hard line with non-citizens.

You have a point but IMHO it's too intrusive.

Seems like there are new rules every day, so how are we expected to keep up?

bank account - they have already

social media - optional

Phone number - they have already

email - they have already

vehicle - they should have already or is easily obtained

social habits places frequented - changes weekly so is basically nonsense

conclusion - hogwash

I agree with your conclusion. However as stated a few times already, they do not necessarily have Bank Account details (if you have a Retirement Visa and went by the Proof of Income Letter route). I can't recall giving them my e-mail address, I don't have a vehicle in my name, social media used and social habits/places frequented is as you say - hogwash! Why should they want to know anyway, and how are they going to check where I spend my leisure time? Are they going to give all those officers in "inactive posts" something to do by sending them undercover?

Dmo7 there were several accounts of what was used to hit david. Just my personal opinion but I think it was a push blade . Probably thrown in some bushes, not far from that phone long ago.

You cannot simply discount the wine bottle, just because some cop with little training thought it was the murder weapon before thorough investigation.

Wp was drinking wine.

The wine bottle was directly at the murder scene.

It is not insignificant. It places him there. "Again"

So you're guessing that a push blade was used on David and, from that guess, that it was "probably" discarded in the same place as the broken phone (which was discarded by someone unconnected to the crime by the way). That's a pretty big leap of faith. My own guess (which doesn't require such a huge leap of faith) is that the police went over that location with a fine tooth comb.

Your assertion that the wine bottle in the crime scene photo places WP at the crime scene is another huge leap of faith. My assertion is that if the police could have connected the wine bottle to the B2 they would have. The fact that they didn't means that either the wine bottle has no significance or it places someone at the crime scene who the police don't want placed there.

And, don't you just love how some posters always explain away discrepancies in police 'evidence' and procedures as "poor training" and suchlike ?. As though the Thai police would never resort to underhand practices.

I personally liked the statement that justified the contamination of the crime scene by saying that they did not have enough police to do the task, so they enlisted the help of some locals!

obviously not one of his fans

Oh very clever! How long did that take you to think up? A guy is dead for *$%^%'s sake, and all you can come up with is an inane comment like that - W*****r!

He's hardly the one who you should be pissed at

I get "pissed at" people who make insensitive comments about murder victims - they can't reply for themselves can they?

Are you being deliberately provocative? Or just playing dumb? Publicity stunt - he had been stabbed

17 times <deleted>.!

my lawn mower has broken down so i've run out of empathy, especially since this happens virtually every day and i didn't know the guy. i find that 66 people have died due to an airplane crash more news worthy.

people get shot,stabbed, jump from balconies, get raped,beaten to death every day here, it's almost boring.

So why not just shut up and say nowt if it's of so little interest to you - I'm sure his friends and relations will bear that in mind at his funeral.

Senseless violence like this and these types of vicious assaults and murder, for no apparent,or petty reasons, is hard for me to comprehend, are these people filled with so much hate towards other people to be able to do these evil acts as a matter of fact?

Unfortunately, quite often these events are caused by nothing more than a "loss of face" - something we Westerners find hard to understand.

Yep, no senseless violence, vicious assaults or murder without reason in the West no jealous husbands or boyfriends either. We are so lucky not to have these Thai problems anywhere else.

Did I say that it was exclusively a Thai problem?

he really should not have done that last Barry Manilow song

Absolutely hilarious! That's the funniest thing I've seen about this murder yet! Did you not read that he was a guitarist and not a singer, and Barry Manilow plays piano, not guitar. Get back under your rock until you learn some proper jokes that don't make fun of murder victims..

obviously not one of his fans

Oh very clever! How long did that take you to think up? A guy is dead for *$%^%'s sake, and all you can come up with is an inane comment like that - W*****r!

or a publicity stunt gone wrong

Are you being deliberately provocative? Or just playing dumb? Publicity stunt - he had been stabbed

17 times &lt;deleted&gt;.!

Senseless violence like this and these types of vicious assaults and murder, for no apparent,or petty reasons, is hard for me to comprehend, are these people filled with so much hate towards other people to be able to do these evil acts as a matter of fact?

Unfortunately, quite often these events are caused by nothing more than a "loss of face" - something we Westerners find hard to understand.

Agreed, but how can you justify giving someone a death sentence, because he made you loose face, especially when you are supposed to be a nation of Buddhists.

I am not justifying it at all, and agree with what you are saying. All that I am saying is that "loss of face" is an incredibly important fact of life here. For instance, a bit off topic, but in my opinion, the fate of the 2 people convicted of the murders on Koh Tao (the B2) was sealed the moment they were brought to trial. To find them innocent would have meant immense loss of face for the RTP and the prosecution, especially after the case was thrown backwards and forwards between them so many times.

^It's glaringly obvious that Hannah's clothes had the 'wrong' dna on them.

So were her clothes lost or not?

Senseless violence like this and these types of vicious assaults and murder, for no apparent,or petty reasons, is hard for me to comprehend, are these people filled with so much hate towards other people to be able to do these evil acts as a matter of fact?

Unfortunately, quite often these events are caused by nothing more than a "loss of face" - something we Westerners find hard to understand.

I suppose you know they were British Embassy officials/spokespeople and not forensic experts or police? It is quite normal for Embassy officials to be present in a situation like this to talk to the press. They would not have been present at the actual autopsy though.

So you think the British government sent spokespeople down there to say no comment ? come on you are going to have to do better than that,

Diplomats frequently say "no comment". Nothing unusual about that.

They are diplomats now ? so not spokespeople anymore? you story keeps changing a bit like the convicts alibis

Clutching at straws a bit aren't you? "Diplomats", or "spokespeople", or "Embassy officials" - does it really matter? The only point that is being made is that they were not "forensic experts or police",

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But the Show Stopper here has been, and I suppose always will be, the DNA Evidence. Call it what you like but as long as the Defense cannot get this thrown out as Evidence, then the accused are riding in a sinking ship, in my honest opinion. There only option back then was to retest this, whether it was replicated or not, and had there expert standing by as a observer. The outcome couldn't have been worst then what they ended up with.

But then if they knew they were guilty, and knew this would match again, best not to do anything, which is what they did. At least now they have a chance to reduce this sentence to life, but if it was a slam dunk, then I am not so sure they could do this then. All I know was that retesting none of this DNA did not help there case one bit.

Because there were no ORIGINAL samples to test, that is, if any existed in the first place. How can anyone retest samples that don't exist, have been lost - or all used up (as a police witness stated). As for losing evidence, the blond hair clutched in Hannah's hand was 'lost' by the RTP custodians as were her clothes. How very convenient. I would reason they were lost because the DNA on them would have pointed to other suspects that were not the B2. About time you recognised that. That's the only logical conclusion.

In fact, that's a bigger missing elephant than any assertion about a phone. Oh yes, the DNA on the murder weapon hoe did not match the B2. But that was ignored by the court. How convenient, huh?

The most astounding part of this case (in my eyes) is the fact that Hannah's clothes were "lost". I can understand a hair being lost,(sort of!) but a complete set of clothing belonging to a rape/ murder victim? And the fact that the defence did not make more of this glaring "error" also astounds me.

obviously not one of his fans

Oh very clever! How long did that take you to think up? A guy is dead for *$%^%'s sake, and all you can come up with is an inane comment like that - W*****r!

You either think the Burmese men are innocent and the defense did an awful job as they could of been found not guilty, if they had only called Jane Taupin or that they are guilty and the defense (&social media) did a good job making them look innocent.

I believe its the latter.

Some of the my reasons for thinking they are guilty is weak alibi the theft of Davids phone and the defense decision not to use so called "dna experts"

whether you think they are guilty or not is completely irrelevant, the fact is that the lack of procedure and mishandling of evidence etc etc makes ANY subsequent trial a mockery.

Yes, this is now the cornerstone of the defense arguments.

It does not matter if they are guilty, they must be set free in the name of justice as the investigation was not carried out according to the law.

The judges did not see it that way. They looked at everything the prosecution had to offer.

They gave the defense ample opportunity to defend that.

They looked at everything the defense had to offer "gait analyse ".

They listened to the b2 very unusual story.

Guilty or not. Legal technicalities or not. The verdict was arrived at fairly.

Absolutely, the evidence pointing to their guilt was overwhelming!! I do not understand why people are still trying to protect them citing an admittedly botched investigation rather than whether they are guilty or not of this truly terrible crime!

The message I get from this is that their guilt (or not) doesn't matter to them (repeatedly described as being irrelevant) and the way in which the investigation was conducted, which was technically inadequate and not carried out according to Western standards is ALL that matters. All that matters to me is that they have got the correct killers and that is ALL!!

Well done lucky! As a prince of sarcasm, that should get a few people hopping up and down on their keyboards! Or are you actually being serious?

As far as I can recall, this particular murder has highlighted Thailand's justice system in the UK, for the first time. As a result of that, all the negative factors regarding UK citizens have also started to become newsworthy. Talking to various people there is now a perception in the UK that Thailand is unsafe, but more importantly it is now being perceived as a destination for sex tourists.

Whether this perception is widespread I have no idea, but I would have thought that TAT would be having a problem attracting "quality" tourists if this were the case. When you start telling friends that you are going to Asia, rather than saying Thailand, sort of gives the game away.

Now. let's be honest here!

" it is now being perceived as a destination for sex tourists."

When was it NOT?

The appeal will not lead to anything unless some new evidence is presented.

Apparently then, they are doomed as "No new evidence or witnesses will be introduced to the appeal trial"

"And mostly broke gay men are whining about "MALE" tourist being attacked by ladyboys on the beach.."

And you know this exactly how?

The first "My Opinion" was for all my ranting..

The particular rant you pointed out, was in response to the guy that knew:

The location of ladyboys..

The days and times ladyboy attacks occurred.

And states no police to be seen at the police station, right across the street from where he claims, ladyboys attack tourist every morning..

Can only assume he enjoys the company of ladyboys, and is screaming for more police to protect him while out on his early morning adventures..

So your rant about "mostly broke gay men" is about one individual who is stalking the ladyboys, and noting the time and frequency of their attacks.

Thanks for the clarification!

"And mostly broke gay men are whining about "MALE" tourist being attacked by ladyboys on the beach.."

And you know this exactly how?

The first "My Opinion" was for all my ranting..

The particular rant you pointed out, was in response to the guy that knew:

The location of ladyboys..

The days and times ladyboy attacks occurred.

And states no police to be seen at the police station, right across the street from where he claims, ladyboys attack tourist every morning..

Can only assume he enjoys the company of ladyboys, and is screaming for more police to protect him while out on his early morning adventures..

So your rant about "mostly broke gay men" is about one individual who is stalking the ladyboys.

Thanks for the clarification!

If it like anything else these days, I do not believe that anybody reads

any thing about Thailand or even Asian culture, before going for a vacation.

If you look at a lot of the Thailand women, you will see that they still dress

in a moderate fashion, when they are at the beaches. I have only seen the

Thai women who are dating, or married to Foreign men, and maybe some of the

young , Now, crowd, that actually wear any of the bikinis or racy

bathing and sun bathing apparel. Most wear more modest styles and are not

flaunting as much of their bodies, as the women I have seen in Australia,

Europe, or North American and South American beaches. Especially in

Brazil. When in Rome, do as the romans do, when anywhere else, read about the country

before your vacation there, I call that simple math, but some of the commenters

that are experts as compared to me will think that I am just a geezer who

does not get with the times.

Oh Well!

You may well be right about the Thai women dressing "in a more moderate fashion" when at the beach, but that is not totally to do with modesty. Many Thai ladies (my own included) do not want to get suntanned ("black") in the same way as Westerners do Hence the shelves in supermarkets and pharmacies laden with skin whitening products.

So, why go to the beach at all?

If they dont want a sun tan, then sit under an umbrella , ladies do not wear non skimpy beach wear in order to avoid a suntan

Don't pontificate with me Luke! They go to the beach for various reasons - one to accompany their "other halves". And you should know by now that even sitting under an umbrella in this country you will still get a suntan - and don't tell me that you can't! . And I STILL say that it is not TOTALLY to do with modesty that they wear "non skimpy clothing" - just one of the reasons.

If it like anything else these days, I do not believe that anybody reads

any thing about Thailand or even Asian culture, before going for a vacation.

If you look at a lot of the Thailand women, you will see that they still dress

in a moderate fashion, when they are at the beaches. I have only seen the

Thai women who are dating, or married to Foreign men, and maybe some of the

young , Now, crowd, that actually wear any of the bikinis or racy

bathing and sun bathing apparel. Most wear more modest styles and are not

flaunting as much of their bodies, as the women I have seen in Australia,

Europe, or North American and South American beaches. Especially in

Brazil. When in Rome, do as the romans do, when anywhere else, read about the country

before your vacation there, I call that simple math, but some of the commenters

that are experts as compared to me will think that I am just a geezer who

does not get with the times.

Oh Well!

You may well be right about the Thai women dressing "in a more moderate fashion" when at the beach, but that is not totally to do with modesty. Many Thai ladies (my own included) do not want to get suntanned ("black") in the same way as Westerners do Hence the shelves in supermarkets and pharmacies laden with skin whitening products.

Almost, young buck...

But to clarify...

People with common sense, can go out anytime they like to..

There are many tourist doing this now..

Is it a tourist fault for getting beating and robbed?? Never!!!

Just people with common sense - don't go beach road looking for ladyboys early in the morning.. Shit happens at that time..

And yes, people with common sense won't be there, in the early morning looking for a lover..

The news is the news.. Reporters report the news, good or bad.

And for Pattaya One News.. It has integrity!

They don't pick and chose to hold back on tourist beatings stories..

Those stories sells or at least keeps them in business..

So, to all you apologists for tourist!

It's never a tourist fault for getting a massive beating by Thai's!!

No matter what stupid and ignorant shit they do..

I am still confused. When I go on holidays to a place where they avidly PROMOTE tourism, VISIT THAILAND blah blah, I would feel like ESPECIALLY PATTAYA which is HEAVILY promoted as a Family Destination, that it is safe to walk the sandy beaches, look at the streets and cafes, enjoy the nightlife NO MATTER what bloody part of the scum hole you are in, and FEEL SAFE.

I do not ever see Thailand promoting itself as a CURFEW tourist destination.

So I would and will say, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR FANCY anyone should be able to walk and YES if there are ladyboys, then they should feel safe to walk among the ladyboys too, and if these people are such a problem DONT BLAME the tourists who are being asked and BEGGED to come here.

i think you are lost sir

I wasn't asked or begged to come to Thailand.. I also recommend my family and friends to visit Thailand..

So, if you're a tourist and are afraid of things that can happen to you, on a vacation or holiday, then stay in the comfort of your happy place... What ever country that is..

You and others are living in a FantasyLand, if you think there is a place, that is worry and trouble free.

A Malaysia flight vanished and most everyone blamed both the airline and the country..

Yet, they still have passengers on their flights and tourist visiting their country..

My opinion.. Those that bash Thailand, have "insecurity" issues..

So, instead of dealing with their personal issues, they find every single reason to bash and complain about Thailand...

Or they're just a straight out wuss, and would never come to Thailand.. Or can't afford it?

Then you have the biggest losers of all!!

Those living in Thailand and the Wannabe..

Trying to make Thailand this lawless and dangerous place, only those with a death wish dare to live.. #Liars

There are single and married white women that visit Thailand.. "Alone!" With backpacks..

And mostly broke gay men are whining about "MALE" tourist being attacked by ladyboys on the beach..

Then their are the cheap bastards... That live here, and complain about not paying what poor Thai's do for certain things...

All Pathetic losers!!

"And mostly broke gay men are whining about "MALE" tourist being attacked by ladyboys on the beach.."

And you know this exactly how?

it's dug to the bottom already - total lack of personal responsibility. "if something happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy.

Absolute twaddle! So if I come and smack you in the mouth for no reason, it's your fault? Gotcha!

and manipulation again! it's not my fault because I had no possibility to prevent it. but If you left your house and left the door open - it your fault that the house was robbed. if you leave your wallet on the park bench - it would be your fault that somebody took it.

it's dug to the bottom already - total lack of personal responsibility. "if something happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy.

Absolute twaddle! So if I come and smack you in the mouth for no reason, it's your fault? Gotcha!

and manipulation again! it's not my fault because I had no possibility to prevent it. but If you left your house and left the door open - it your fault that the house was robbed. if you leave your wallet on the park bench - it would be your fault that somebody took it.

Manipulation AGAIN? Your own words speak for themselves - if you don't want to be quoted on them, choose them a bit more carefully. Might I suggest :-

"if something UNEXPECTED happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

And as for :- "millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy."

Once again, I think you should choose your words a bit more carefully - that statement might be considered deliberately inflammatory, and a breach of Forum Rules

western women cause trouble with their arrogant sense of feminist entitlement in Asia.

Imagine that... nowadays it's "feminist entitlement" to demand to not get raped.

not just that but: "I am a woman so I can do anything I want without regard on other people feelings, laws and traditions, and if I will be raped - it will be the fault of these people. not mine"

Just keep digging that hole...

it's dug to the bottom already - total lack of personal responsibility. "if something happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy.

Agreed!

Last holiday weekend I went to Kho Tao and as unbelievable as it may seem. There were 2 girls sunbathing topless on the beach who were from Holland. When I confronted them about the dangers they were putting themselves into by showing their breasts they actually seemed not to care and completely ignored the gaping mouths of several Thai men staring at them from a distance.

Of course, should they have been raped and killed there, they should hold some responsibility for their lack of concern at a place that has become well known for bad things to happen to foreigners.

"a place that has become well known for bad things to happen to foreigners."

So why go there?