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western women cause trouble with their arrogant sense of feminist entitlement in Asia.

Imagine that... nowadays it's "feminist entitlement" to demand to not get raped.

not just that but: "I am a woman so I can do anything I want without regard on other people feelings, laws and traditions, and if I will be raped - it will be the fault of these people. not mine"

Just keep digging that hole...

it's dug to the bottom already - total lack of personal responsibility. "if something happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy.

Agreed!

Last holiday weekend I went to Kho Tao and as unbelievable as it may seem. There were 2 girls sunbathing topless on the beach who were from Holland. When I confronted them about the dangers they were putting themselves into by showing their breasts they actually seemed not to care and completely ignored the gaping mouths of several Thai men staring at them from a distance.

Of course, should they have been raped and killed there, they should hold some responsibility for their lack of concern at a place that has become well known for bad things to happen to foreigners.

"a place that has become well known for bad things to happen to foreigners."

So why go there?

not just that but: "I am a woman so I can do anything I want without regard on other people feelings, laws and traditions, and if I will be raped - it will be the fault of these people. not mine"

Just keep digging that hole...

it's dug to the bottom already - total lack of personal responsibility. "if something happens to me - it's never my own fault, but always- someone's else."

millions of infantile parasites in the West live with the same philosophy.

Absolute twaddle! So if I come and smack you in the mouth for no reason, it's your fault? Gotcha!

"main goal" means that if there is a choice governments should follow this goal. if a decision can make citizens and visitors happier - ok, no problem. but if not - happiness of citizens is more important.

guests, visitors, and tourists can stay in Thailand as long as they benefit Thai citizens. and should be deported if they are useless for Thai society or if they make harm.

if you are not agree with that - it's just your personal wishful thinking. nobody in Thailand care of it.

Of course, so long as Thai's can make money off foreigners they can come(and be raped) but if not they are not welcome. So now we come to the actual opinion you hold on anyone not Thai(odd with an Anglo name like Matt) and that nobody cares for their opinion. If that is the case why are you talking to a foreigner?

Or what happens to a Thai who is useless for Thai society or makes harm? Maybe people like the ones lurking in the bushes.

"Of course, so long as Thai's can make money off foreigners they can come(and be raped) but if not they are not welcome."

exactly! foreigners can be let in only if they benefit Thai people. because Thai government works for Thai people benefit only. not yours

"So now we come to the actual opinion you hold on anyone not Thai(odd with an Anglo name like Matt) and that nobody cares for their opinion."

I respect all people from all over the world. but "respect" does not mean that Thai society should work for them. they should work for Thai society if they want to come to Thailand. same as if I want to come to Australia, for example - I should make myself useful for Aussie society

why it's so hard to understand? because if left-wing "entitlement" ideas. I know.

nobody owes you anything in Thailand. accept it.

"Or what happens to a Thai who is useless for Thai society or makes harm?" citizens of Thailand have a right to be useless. because they are citizens. and if they cause harm - there attitude should be adjusted. and if it's not possible - they should be isolated.

You are quoting perfect examples of what is wrong with Thailand and its "Thainess".

In fact your first statement is actually very insulting to the memory of Hannah Witheridge, who was a visitor to your country and spending money here, was raped and killed here, yet you say "you respect all people from all over the world" - absolute codswallop (I would use stronger language than that given a choice)

As for the rest of your post, you are merely endorsing what many posters on here have already said about you and some of your countrymen and your "Thainess". You don't like tourists, but you are perfectly willing to take their money, and your Government goes to great lengths to attract tourists here because of the revenue that it brings, So you are, in fact, disagreeing with your Government, so it seems to me that YOU are the one that is in need of attitude adjustment!!!

you are just a guest here. the law of this country prohibits this kid of behavior. you can have two simple choices

1) obey the law

2) leave Thailand

as simple as that...

Drop this 'We are a guest in this country"

By no stretch of the imagination are we guests.

• Guests are invited
• Guests are welcomed
• Guests are not subjected to dual pricing
• Guests don't have to jump through hoops just to stay here
• Guests don't get coerced into paying bribes
• Guests are not subjected to rules made up to suit the authorities
• Guests would not be kicked out of the country on a whim
• Guests would not have to pay taxes and immigration fees etc.

Would you treat your guests in such a way?

Here here, am so tired of hearing the whole we are guests speech by those who overlook all what is wrong with Thailand at the moment. If the women are in a public area or on hallowed ground, then yes they should show manners and good taste. At the same time, if they are not, they should just be left alone. It was good that the police were worried about their safety, but they should skip the judgment speech if it is not necessary.

who you think you are to tell Royal Thai Police what they should do? lol what a white supremacy impudence!

Thai police considered those actions as law violation. and nobody cares if you agree with that or not. you are a guest here and have absolutely no right to impose your point of view.

"you are a guest here and have absolutely no right to impose your point of view."

Did you even read HHTel's post? Which is the post directly preceding yours!

Almost, young buck...

But to clarify...

People with common sense, can go out anytime they like to..

There are many tourist doing this now..

Is it a tourist fault for getting beating and robbed?? Never!!!

Just people with common sense - don't go beach road looking for ladyboys early in the morning.. Shit happens at that time..

And yes, people with common sense won't be there, in the early morning looking for a lover..

The news is the news.. Reporters report the news, good or bad.

And for Pattaya One News.. It has integrity!

They don't pick and chose to hold back on tourist beatings stories..

Those stories sells or at least keeps them in business..

So, to all you apologists for tourist!

It's never a tourist fault for getting a massive beating by Thai's!!

No matter what stupid and ignorant shit they do..

As a young buck (and thanks for the compliment!) I'm at a loss for words! I'll leave you to your world!

Did they arrest the peeping tom photographer lurking in the bushes too?

You obviously see things that other people don't, so who else was arrested?

Just enforce the law and apply appropriate (heavy) penalties might work.....

There is no law when a man with a uniform makes his own rules

Yet, straight out violence against tourist is very low for having no law..

Look at any Thai news station, the police are out doing police business..

Mostly investigating or arresting Thai's for the crimes they committed against other Thai's..

Look at Pattaya News One... No daily stories of Thai's beating up tourist on Walking Street or elsewhere.

Now, everyone should be able to go out at anytime, day or night.

But between 12 a.m. until 5 a.m., it's not as safe in some areas.

But some tourists, just can't stop themselves from going where ladyboys hangout and getting beat up and robbed..

If you're into ladyboys, why wait until that time of morning looking for company?

Maybe something lost in translation here but:-

Now, everyone should be able to go out at anytime, day or night.

But between 12 a.m. until 5 a.m., it's not as safe in some areas.

But some tourists, just can't stop themselves from going where ladyboys hangout and getting beat up and robbed..

So are you saying that everybody should be able to go out anytime - day or night because Pattaya News One does not have daily stories Thais beating up tourists?

Or are you saying that you can go out anytime except between 12 am.and 5 am when it is not safe in some areas?

Or are you saying that it's the tourists' fault because if they go where ladyboys hang out, they will get beaten up and robbed?

Typical official Thai reaction - cover up for your own safety and blame the victim or potential victim.

There's a right place to strip off down to your undies to sunbathe, and this was not it!

"The two ladies, aged about twenty, were sunning themselves in bras and panties in a public park near the historical ruins in Ayutthaya. A police patrol on bicycles in the area had been alerted as a group of men started eying them up in the wooded area of the park while other men were stopping on bikes to have a good gawk."

I cannot believe I am saying this, but I actually believe the taxi driver.

I would too if she had been dropped off in the street somewhere etc..but at what's obviously her apartment she would be easily found and caught if doing a runner..this is discounting she says she left her bag in the taxi...can't prove that from behind a keyboard lol..

Who is to say it's 'obviously her apartment'? She waited until his back was turned and went to recover her bag in order to do a runner - and still didn't have the money she owed. If her intentions were honest, she would have explained her situation to the driver before the journey.

Maybe she thought 200 baht would have been enough for the fare?

I feel they are on the right track now. The same warning should be made for anyone who beat up the tourist for no reason. If they have done something wrong either in the bar, disco, gogo bar, etc or on the street they should call police to take care of the matter instead of beating up the person.

And how long do you think it will take for the police to respond ?

I am heading down to walking street tonight. I hope the current attention doesn't affect nudity levels. I hate when that happens. Especially with this heat, it would be cruel.

The ONLY time I felt unsafe on Walking Street was during a new year celebration. At midnight instead of pointing the fireworks in the air, people were firing down the street. It was crazy.

Every little piece of petty crime that happens in Pattaya gets reported. The local news are police chasers.

Yesterday's big crime report in Pattaya was a Thai shopkeeper paid 7000 baht for some goods and didn't receive them.

All petty stuff.

As long as you don't wear jewelry, you pay for your drinks, don't raise your voice, be rude to people,and don't spit on or slap anyone the Thais won't bother you. They are very nice people here in Pattaya.

Pattaya, the City of Lovemaking, is very laid back. Everyone's on holidays, the weather is balmy, people living it up. Some people having the best night of their lives. Pattaya provides that day after day, year after year.

Some people can't handle the excitement/ partying/ or their grog and they are the ones that sometimes cause a little bit of trouble. The Thais are very tolerant, up to a point, and the ones that need to be taken care of are dealt with.

It is a great city Pattaya, and safe as long as you are not an idiot.

Are there 2 resorts called Pattaya, because this one certainly doesn't sound like the one that I know!

"Some people having the best night of their lives. Pattaya provides that day after day, year after year."

Just to quote one headline on Google (if that's allowed!) :-

"Pattaya has been called the sex, crime & suicide capital of Asia"

All that's really needed is a visible police presence on the beach promenade and walking street. Most attacks on the beach happen across from the soi 9 police station, yet no police walk outside. I can't figure that out. A couple cops patrolling would do wonders. It's called proactive policing. But since that's a western idea, it wont be implemented here. Thais know best.

"Police patrols" do not seem to happen here. In all the known trouble spots in the UK that I know of, there are always pairs of policemen/women to be seen walking around, and often, the police woman is the most effective in diffusing any potentially violent situation, as most men are reluctant to use violence against a female. Oh, sorry, I just remembered what happened in Hua Hin to the elderly lady - cancel that! But I still agree with inzman in that a visible police presence would be a strong deterrent, and in the Hua HIn case that I just mentioned I don't think I saw one policeman in that video either before or after the attack had finished. As usual, the excuse will be that they do not have enough officers to "be everywhere at once", but there do seem to be an awful lot of police officers available when "photo opportunities" arise!

A pic with pointing fingers would have been nice!

When I first heard that an old lady was kicked in the head while unconscious, my first question was, "well, who started the trouble?" Was it the 'farangs' or was it the 'Thais'? This was very important to me as these things are always about us vs them. We must always factor in race and nationality.

I'm on the Thai side here. It's their country and they can do whatever they like. If tourists don't like that, stuff them. I'll worry about the problem of tourist revenue 'when' it becomes a problem. Also, farangs should have to pay for a course in Thai culture. Smile, never complain andIf tourists don't like that, stuff them. Everything you say is stupid so shut up and leave a tip.

I always take the Thai side because I live through this idea of their culture vicariously. I wish my country was the same. I wish we could treat foreigners however we wish and we were always right. I don't say this in public because it's deemed as ignorant and racist. I say it on public forums where nobody knows me.

Sometimes, I feel deep down, that the locals don't respect me. I try everything to get them on my side. I slag off my own kind all the time but it seems to make them think I'm an idiot. I dream of being a rich farang and then making people respect me. I wish I was the only farang here in Thailand. Then they'd have to like me.

I'm sad deep down.

I don't think I've read such a road of clap for a long time! Your first question should not have been

" Who started it?" but "Who would do such a thing?" From start to finish your post is inflammatory to say the least, and I am surprised that it got past the Moderators.

"It's their country and they can do whatever they like."

"If tourists don't like that, stuff them."

Etc etc etc .UNLESS, of course, you have a degree in sarcasm, in which case, I apologise, but if not sarcasm to a very high degree of excellence, your final sentence says it all:-

"I'm sad deep down."

Rosemary please go back to Wales ASAP - you're a really bad example of loutish behaviour and remind me of one of those horrid football fans we have that follow the England football team in Europe and give us a bad name. The bottom line is you don't go to foreign countries and start slapping people around the face telling them how it is. Please just leave.

Why are you bringing the English into this ...the lady in question is Welsh isnt she?

And why are you nit picking? "Go back to WALES" and "REMIND ME of those horrid football fans....."

Your comments sound like a person who can't take a bit of criticism about some of your loutish countrymen! I agree with the comment about some of the the football "fans" - they are not fans, they are hooligans using football as an excuse for their bad behaviour. And by the use of "we have" and "us a bad name" implies that the poster is also English, and merely using the Welsh lady's behaviour as a comparison with the less well behaved of her countrymen.

Your paranoia "reminds me" of those Americans that jump on their high horse as soon as somebody has the audacity to criticise something about the good old "US of A" .

Oh, and in case you hadn't guessed - I am ENGLISH! Have a nice/good day!

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"I really don't see the problem. Usually after a few taxis, one will take us."

The fact that they are supposed to take you under the terms of their licence, hence the "crackdown' on taxi drivers refusing fares.

The problem is that redundant sign on the top - you know - the one that says "Meter Taxi"!

Oh, and by the way, I also don't agree with restaurants charging a compulsory service charge and VAT when it's not shown on the menu! Seriously! .......

"owed him money to death"? Must be a foreigner who wrote that.

You must be a foreigner sarcastically attempting to ridicule Thais by deliberately posting an incomplete quote.

The actual quote was, as you well know, "An angry monk took a scythe and slashed a farmer who owed him money to death...". Perfectly understandable although a couple of commas would have helped.

You could have made it even more ridiculous by just quoting "money to death" and then criticising that.

Yes - no need, and I've seen much worse use of English pass without comment. As we used to say in my neck of the woods - "Got nowt better to do!"

They loved Hua Hin they said,they've been going there for 20 years.I assume they like drinking which rules out a considerable part of Malaysia and for Singapore,are the beaches any good?

They come often to Thailand, but they don't know how to behave with Thai people ; Thai people finished the scene in the video - ( badly, I agree ) but the three tourists began the show; I don't understand why Thaipeople give them flowers

the only excuse they can have is that they were drunk

Is that not the excuse that the Thai men used for beating them up?

British couple give evidence in court? Where is that story?

The silence is deafening!

I saw one when we were going to the beach in Rayong. It just rummaging through the garbage on the side of the road then laid down to have a snoose. It was pretty big but wasn't agresive at all. Suprised me to see it.

Probably wasn't aggressive because you weren't trying to shoot it!

One thing that is typical and not surprising is how people nearby were watching arms folded. I seen it before in Thailand. When someone is in distress and attacked its a case of "nothing to do with me"

And thats true of women and children attacked. Says something about the place!

I was with a friend a few years ago on motor bikes, and he was riding ahead of me and swerved to avoid a cat on the road. The bike jackknifed and he ended up bouncing down the road like a rag doll. Lots of Thais just looking on with disdain, and it was a farang Dive Shop owner who came to help, took my friend to hospital in his truck, even waiting until he was treated and released, and took him home - only minor injuries, but it could have been much worse, and the Thais couldn't have cared less.

Thais generally don't help anyone who happens to be the victim of a road accident, nothing to do with being Thai or not. They don't go up to the victim to check out what skin colour he/she has before deciding whether to help or not. Most people wouldn't even assume that a foreigner would be involved in an accident - in any given location the assumption (and the reality) is that you have a lot of Thais and maybe a small number of foreigners.

Thais don't help because they don't want to be accused of doing something wrong or something they didn't do. Whether that's reasonable or not, I dunno. However, I've witnessed accidents unfold in front of me and rarely did anyone do anything other than call an ambulance.

And even then, they're probably reluctant to do that in case they get charged for it!

So is it official now? British tourists are now allowed to come to Thailand get drunk as usual and go around beating the crap out of people or am I really missing the moral of this whole story?

This is just really creepy... I mean which is more stupid and childish the "Thai can do no wrong", or the "Brit can do no wrong"? lol At least the Thais are only following this stupid rule in their own country - the Brits apparently believe that they are entitled to this rule anywhere in the world now! lol Now tell me which is the bigger problem and who has more issues - the Thais or the Brits?

So again what's the moral of the story - were they right to take matters into their own hands and use violence to "educate" the locals? Is this the message they are trying to send out there?

If I needed to go around just 1 mile of wherever the Thai thugs are hanging out, it looks like I'm gonna need to walk around at least 2 miles of wherever the hell the British people are usually getting drunk from now on, lol

Did you watch the actual video? If so, were you stoned or something or are you just blind? The only people who got the crap beaten out of them were the Brits. The most "violent" thing done by any of the Brits was when the 65 year old woman slapped the Thai man in the face after he had pushed her son onto the ground.

Please, watch the damned video before you comment so that you have at least some idea of what you are talking about.

First of all - all them were drunk, and their sonny lil boy was in a drunken stupor - the main reason he fell in the first place... The Thai man was not right to push him like that in retaliation but that was in no way intended to deliver any kind of serious damage - the punishment should fit the crime - don't you think? - and not that the Brits have any right to act as the police/judge and the jury in this country?? What the british couple did after that I see as a problem - the grannie slapped somebody and then the daddy threw a punch - all because they suspected somebody was "dissing" their little drunken sonny - this was not "self defense", it was a deliberate use of force to compensate for the British couples' loss of face lol... they are definitely worse than Thais - I mean would you go around punching people because you feel you were insulted in a foreign country?? I'm not justifying what happened after that, but I don't see that the Brits were better in this whole situation precisely because they are older - and should know better how to handle situations like this and that violence doesn't really solve anything...

I understand your sentiments, but not necessarily agree with them, or the the way that you put them across. e.g.

"British tourists are now allowed to come to Thailand get drunk as usual and go around beating the crap out of people"

Already commented on, so only posted to show you how ludicrous that sounds.

"sonny lil boy was in a drunken stupor"

No, he was a walking drunk - not in a "drunken stupor" - such a condition involves grogginess, semiconsciousness, stupefaction - that only occurred after he was pushed over and split his head open.

" it was a deliberate use of force to compensate for the British couples' loss of face lol... they are definitely worse than Thais"

I think the end result proves otherwise, don't you?

Didn't I read that they vowed NEVER to return?

That was before the flowers and visit from TAT, and a subsequent visit from government officials and a representative from the Embassy.

Methinks there may be a free 5 Star all expenses paid holiday floated under their noses - and quite rightly so!

Wow - don't mess with the "pigs"! Apparently it pulled him down from the tree, and was "shot" about 20 times taking an hour to die!

It went to a good cause though - they eat it at his funeral!

There are 2 camps of PPL here.

1. Those that hate the Thai Thugs for kicking the old lady on the ground ( effect )

2. Those that saw the whole unedited video and saw the whole truth. The British Family started it by shoving, pushing then finally punching a thai man to the ground, which started the whole violence and ended up with the British family on the ground n the old lady getting kick in the face.

I would like to mentioned both Camps are on the same page on 1 thing. Both Camps agree that The Thai Thugs went too far and should be prosecuted. Both Camps do not justify and condone the actions of the Thai Thugs in any way.

However Camp 1 only look at the effect and not at the cause. What cause the fight to happen? They are only concerned about An old lady getting stomped in the face. They ask what kind of values this country has that teaches Man to stomp on old ladies in a fight. Camp 1 is utterly disgusted at the values of the Thai Thugs and their actions.

Camp 2 looks at both cause and effect. Camp 2 saw the whole unedited video and the whole truth. The cause of the fight was because of the British family who shoved, slap and punch a Thai man to the ground. Camp 2 is also utterly disgusted at the values of the Thai thugs and their actions.

But the difference is this. Camp 2 saw the whole truth. Camp 2 does not make any excuses or condone the actions of the Thai Thugs, in fact Camp 2 wants all the Thai Thugs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law. but Camp 2 also points out the actions of the British Family that led to the violent attack on them.

What Camp 2 is trying to achieve by pointing out the actions of the British family is not to justify the Thai Thugs

Instead it is to show the truth and warn others, family, friends, fellow countrymen that in Thailand or any other country, if you behave properly

there is a much much lesser chance of misfortune happening to you. That is all.

So ppl from Camp 1. just accept the Fact the British Family did misbehave and got retaliated by Thai Thugs in the most disgusting violent way ever and learnt from this lesson.

Show your sympathies to the the British Family and the old lady but warn them too never to misbehave again like in the video if they really value their lives. I would show it to my friends n family as well. How not to behave in Thailand or any other country we visit.

Or just go to a country where the police will "assist" when a local drunk idiot shoves you over and cracks your head open just for brushing past him.

Trying to be balanced with your post but your not. There is only 1 side to this, the drunk Thai man was looking for trouble, very obviously so. He caused the first act of violence and cracked open the sons head. the old women got emotional seeing her son attacked and reacted, in effect this "elderly" lady was defending her son, no denying that.

But what those drunken idiots did was a disgrace, the British family deserved nothing except to be left in peace to continue their holiday.

Seriously... This family did everything, but attempt to avoid a fight!!

New direction....

Old lady's stupid son, bumps a man intentionally.. Then fakes a fall to the ground.. Look at the video...

Since the perfectly innocent family claimed to have not been drinking...

Why did they appear to be drunk?

Maybe they prearranged this crime??

Son starts by bumping into a very drunk Thai..

Mother.. Not defending her son!! He was still on the ground playing dead..

She was doing all she can do to get shoved, and fake a fall like her son did..

They just didn't anticipate the kick to the face after she slapped - shoved the drunk Thai man and made it to the ground herself.

Too much BS this family did, not to be accountable for their actions...

Again.. Not defending the Thai's - the kick to an old ladies face took defending them out of the equation...

That's it... I'm staying in Thailand.. So are my friends..

"made it to the ground herself."

My,my, what a strange choice of words! My choice would be "knocked out by a drunk Thai man" or, if I wanted to be honest, "smashed in the face and knocked out by a drunken Thai thug", but then you'd probably call me biased!