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BANGKOK: -- OUT OF more than 5,000 migrant workers living and working on Koh Tao, around 2,000 live illegally by paying police Bt500 a month to work there.

Those who own or use motorcycles on this tiny island in the Gulf of Thailand, without a rider's licence, pay another Bt500 each month.

Migrants living illegally in Thailand are sometimes issued special cards by police to indicate they pay a monthly fee (ie. bribe). Animal stickers stamped on these cards, carrying their name, photo and name of the Thai employer/s they work for, are changed monthly by the police.

The animal for September was the turtle..............not sure which animal is used this month

Careful - JDinasia could be watching, and he'll be wanting proof of the above!

No worries sambum here it is........

Source: http://www.nationmul...--30244575.html

FYI this was posted before the B2 were arrested,

Thai Visa must have given him the day off - he's very quiet!

There's a photo with the British ambassador with the coup leader general in today's news.

Surely by now he must have something to say on the subject.

I mean they have condemned the coup sent British police there to observe the murder of two British citizens and he's sitting down talking trade deals and it's all lovey dovey?

Absolutely absurd !

I totally agree that it is absurd for the British ambassador to send British police to observe the murder of two British citizens! (sorry - couldn't resist, and I do hope that this farce ends soon for all concerned)

Why do you think it absurd...?

OK Transam- will try to make it a bit easier for you! (Just concentrate on the underlined words) It is absurd because he didn't "send British police to observe the murder of two British citizens", he sent them to "observe the investigation into the murder of two British citizens" (Actually, the ambassador didn't send them, the UK government did) Better now?

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if th B2 are facing illegal entry into thailand

what about there employer, for employing such an illegal

there is a penalty for employing illegals, something to do with work permit,,

Just reminding everybody they are also facing a charge of illegal entry into the country so I think they will continue to be held on that charge even if they are not indicted on the murder charge.

I wonder, if their "employers" are facing any charges for hiring them... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

BANGKOK: -- OUT OF more than 5,000 migrant workers living and working on Koh Tao, around 2,000 live illegally by paying police Bt500 a month to work there.

Those who own or use motorcycles on this tiny island in the Gulf of Thailand, without a rider's licence, pay another Bt500 each month.

Migrants living illegally in Thailand are sometimes issued special cards by police to indicate they pay a monthly fee (ie. bribe). Animal stickers stamped on these cards, carrying their name, photo and name of the Thai employer/s they work for, are changed monthly by the police.

The animal for September was the turtle..............not sure which animal is used this month

Careful - JDinasia could be watching, and he'll be wanting proof of the above!

There's a photo with the British ambassador with the coup leader general in today's news.

Surely by now he must have something to say on the subject.

I mean they have condemned the coup sent British police there to observe the murder of two British citizens and he's sitting down talking trade deals and it's all lovey dovey?

Absolutely absurd !

I totally agree that it is absurd for the British ambassador to send British police to observe the murder of two British citizens! (sorry - couldn't resist, and I do hope that this farce ends soon for all concerned)

I wonder how Thai law looks at "wrongfully arrested" and "incarcerated without reason"

In Scandinavia, you get about 7-10k baht, a day, for the time you wasted in the lockup. I guess here, they will just get the "you are lucky to get out again"

To be honest, when is this charade going to end? Eveybody, even Thai's, know by now, that these two migrant workers did not kill anyone....

There is indeed a formula for this. You get 200 Baht a day, I believe.

However, I don't think these 2 would qualify as they are just being held on remand.

And also entered Thailand illegally.

Every year since 2009, my husband and I have travelled from Singapore to Koh Samui in January and February. Since last year, airfares have risen from THB 11500 per person to THB17250 last January and to THB 20285 next January. I realize that this is the high season but what justifies the increase? Especially since oil prices are down. Our friend who runs a high end resort tells us that his occupancy is way down. With airfares this high, I am not surprised. Yes, we know Bangkok Airways wants to recoup their investment in the airport but this is price gouging. Unfortunately we can only travel during January/February so we may have to make other plans and by pass Samui/Thailand all together.

Yes, I agree that Bangkok Airways seem to be hiking their already expensive prices up to another level, so why don't you (a) send/e-mail a complaint to their Customer Services Dept and ask them to justify their reasons, and ( check if other airlines could take you to Surat Thani or another mainland airport, Nakhon Sri Thammarat (as per next OP). I'm sure (not really!) that Bangkok Airways will eventually get the message, but unfortunately they seem to be following the old Thai logic - "We have less customers, so we will have to put our prices up"! Crazy eh? And the same applies to bars and numerous other "tourist traps".

Ummm I knew it.

I wasn't asking you - I was asking Willy! As an interested party you would have already looked it up anyway if you didn't know it, and if you didn't know it, going by your condescending tone in your posts, Ummmm, you certainly wouldn't admit it!

condescending??? Like the post I am replying to?

Sorry, not going to bite!

And thanks to Wiki...................

Epistemology (ἐπιστήμη,episteme|knowledge, understanding|| λόγος, logos|study of) is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge^[1][2] and is also referred to as "theory of knowledge". It questions what knowledge is and how it can be acquired, and the extent to which knowledge pertinent to any given subject or entity can be acquired. Much of the debate in this field has focused on the philosophical analysis of the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification. The term "epistemology" was introduced by the Scottish philosopher James Frederick Ferrier (1808–1864).^[3]

And did you know that before you before you looked it up on Wiki.....? Or when you first saw it did you think "<deleted>?"

Not sure what you had deleted there sambum................but my first thought was eh....<deleted>'s that???????

Yes, that's it!

Ummm I knew it.

I wasn't asking you - I was asking Willy! As an interested party you would have already looked it up anyway if you didn't know it, and if you didn't know it, going by your condescending tone in your posts, Ummmm, you certainly wouldn't admit it!

And thanks to Wiki...................

Epistemology (ἐπιστήμη,episteme|knowledge, understanding|| λόγος, logos|study of) is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge^[1][2] and is also referred to as "theory of knowledge". It questions what knowledge is and how it can be acquired, and the extent to which knowledge pertinent to any given subject or entity can be acquired. Much of the debate in this field has focused on the philosophical analysis of the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification. The term "epistemology" was introduced by the Scottish philosopher James Frederick Ferrier (1808–1864).^[3]

And did you know that before you before you looked it up on Wiki.....? Or when you first saw it did you think "&lt;deleted&gt;?"

The other day an ex-MP was released having been found guilty of murder of a rival and after having been given the death sentence. OF course he is a rich man able to put up, for him, a relatively small amount of cash to secure his release (1.35 million baht). If they can release a man on death row, why cannot they release these two who have been framed?

Astonishing! (Not! - Money talks very loudly here in LOS!)

Astonishing that people just gobble up whatever they are told when it fits their preconceptions.

As I pointed out on post #33 what retarious presents is not true, false, wrong, not a fact. The man he alludes to, Kanchit Thapsawuan is currently in Bang Khwan prison under a death sentence.

Once again this illustrates what the case against the Koh Tao headman's son was built upon, someone says something, people don't bother with finding out the facts and before you know it everyone "knows" the guy is guilty because they heard this or that on Internet; epistemological responsibility be damned.

Not surprised that JD liked your post! You're obviously a Monty Python fan - "not true, wrong, not a fact". Bit over the top, don't you think? You could have just said "wrong" and presented your "evidence". And "epistemological responsibility"!!! Huh? A bit overelaborate and I'm sure half the posters on here won't have a clue what you're talking about! By the way, I agree with what you say, but sometimes you just have to believe what people tell you otherwise you'd be spending all your spare time on the Internet checking facts and figures so that you could gleefully point out someone's error in just accepting what they have read or been told!

Seems reasonable to me of course i only spent 2 minutes searching

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That is not to Koh Samui Airport or island, that is flight to Surat Than, than a bus to the pier and than a ship-ferry transfer for 2,5 - 3 hours +? With a boat and possibly rough seas.

Depends on your priorities i guess. If you don't mind paying an extortionate price to get from B/K to Samui with Bangkok Airways in an hour - go for it. On the other hand if you don't mind taking a little longer, but a lot cheaper go via Surat Thani.

Seems reasonable to me of course i only spent 2 minutes searching

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The Don Muang to Surat Thani option seems even more reasonable to me!

Much cheaper flying to Surat Thani (By Air Asia or Nok Air) from Bangkok Dom Muang Airport), and catching the ferry from Donsak to Nathon. Flight takes app the same time - about 1 hour), but the transfer from the airport to the ferry app 1 hour - 1 hour 30 mins, and another 1 hour 30 mins on the ferry to Nathon, so app an extra 3 hours on your journey. Total price return for 2 people about 2 weeks ago was just over 5000 baht, and equivalent price on Bangkok Air was about 16,000 baht! So, if you don't mind taking a bit longer over your journey - no contest! Plus if you're a first time visitor, the bus and ferry gives you the chance to see a bit of scenery. Happy hols!

The other day an ex-MP was released having been found guilty of murder of a rival and after having been given the death sentence. OF course he is a rich man able to put up, for him, a relatively small amount of cash to secure his release (1.35 million baht). If they can release a man on death row, why cannot they release these two who have been framed?

Astonishing! (Not! - Money talks very loudly here in LOS!)

"He might be brought in for further Questioning???????"

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Nick the bast4rd !

Unbelievable, what is wrong with this country!? this is a shocking crime and the guy is not even in custardy

Not meaning to be flippant, and it is indeed a shocking crime, but "custardy"? Well, he is yellow, we can all see that, so maybe a downing/drowning in a big bowl of custard and then show him off to all his hiso buddies might be the loss of face that this creep so rightly deserves!

With ALL watching the brad won't be able to get away with this one. He will be found guilty of manslaughter and jailed.

Did you even read the post? To be found guilty of manslaughter you have to have killed someone, so you are wrong on that point, and as for being jailed, well, are bets still open on that one? To do something like that in front of a police station with a number of police officers as witnesses, you have to be pretty confident that your family connections will keep you out of the "nick" - in fact that's maybe why he did it there!

Is it just my imagination, but I've been coming to Thailand for more than 15 years, (living here for 6 years), but is the number of these type of incidents, perpetrated by the sons of "hiso" or "connected" people increasing dramatically? Maybe as is often stated, it is because of more media coverage (Facebook, Thai Visa etc) but these spoilt brats seem to be literally getting away with murder, and consequently the result seems to be more and more headlines like the one above. Some of their actions beggars belief, but unfortunately TIT, and Daddy's money always seems to buy them out of trouble. Maybe the new PM should be using his new broom to sweep away some of these practices, and make a few examples of these juvenile thugs/killers who think they are above the law by jailing them - no bail - no early release, and even jail Daddy if he tries to pay for the punishment to "go away"?

Correction: ..... these spoilt brats seem to be literally are getting away with murder, .....

Correction accepted.

Is it just my imagination, but I've been coming to Thailand for more than 15 years, (living here for 6 years), but is the number of these type of incidents, perpetrated by the sons of "hiso" or "connected" people increasing dramatically? Maybe as is often stated, it is because of more media coverage (Facebook, Thai Visa etc) but these spoilt brats seem to be literally getting away with murder, and consequently the result seems to be more and more headlines like the one above. Some of their actions beggars belief, but unfortunately TIT, and Daddy's money always seems to buy them out of trouble. Maybe the new PM should be using his new broom to sweep away some of these practices, and make a few examples of these juvenile thugs/killers who think they are above the law by jailing them - no bail - no early release, and even jail Daddy if he tries to pay for the punishment to "go away"?

Yes I really think they are -----but---. Lets face it,if they can easily come up with evidence that suits them for any particular occasion,and if they can persuade people that they are doing everything right,or if they can use the law that somehow will put them in a good light,then I sometimes think that maybe they have just learned to be very clever.I also believe that the old saying "time is a good healer"plays a big part in all these episodes,and even if the police have made the odd "blue",it will be all forgotten in a few months time and the most important thing is that the tourists will have forgotten it too,and all the people will be back to normal and earning lots of money again. What a happy ending !!!!!

I don't agree with most of your reasoning,I'm afraid. First of all, I think that quite a few recent events have shown that they can come up with "evidence" that does the exact opposite of showing them in a good light.

It shows them as "trying to be very clever" which is not quite the same! Also the old saying "time is a good healer" does sometimes apply, but there is another saying, which I believe was used by Japanese POW's - "We can forgive, but never forget" (In any cases I know of, or heard of - neither applies) People still remember the Chiang Mai murder, the New Year's Eve murder on Koh Samui, and will remember them for many years to come, and even more so the recent murders on Koh Tao. The current tourist figures show it (although the inability to acquire travel insurance during martial law may have a bearing), but in general, prospective visitors will take one nor two things into account when choosing their holiday destination, and one of these is primarily safety. For instance, who in their right mind would take themselves and their family to a war zone for a holiday? I am not saying that Thailand is a war zone (yet!) but people do remember negative publicity, and the above, combined with the strong baht, (why?) the closing of the Airport by protestors, the violence and deaths in the streets of Bangkok (caused by both sides) during political protests, the seemingly never ending occasions where "connected" Thais seem to be able to attack and even kill people with impunity (Red Bull heir) - these all serve to make people inclined to think that Thailand (and not just Bangkok) is quickly becoming a destination that is not safe, and getting less so by the day. There are also various other compelling reasons why tourists are opting for other destinations, but they are "off topic" and mostly covered already, (corruption, the farang always wrong in an accident, different pricing for Thais and farangs everywhere, unreliability of information etc etc etc) but even if the visitor is prepared to accept the "covered already" topics, if they don't feel safe, they aren't going to come! My final point is that a few years ago, people used to return to Thailand year after year for their annual holidays, and recommend it to their friends. This doesn't happen much anymore for all of the above reasons , but at the risk of repeating myself, it's because they don't feel safe anymore. Rant ended! (Temporarily!)

And a well put reply Sir

Thank you! Only today a Koh Tao "copycat" attack on a farang in Udon Thani can only justify my comments above! I wonder if the perpetrators in Udon Thani are "connected" and if so how long will it be until they are back on the streets again?

Good advertising for TAT, they want more quality tourists. But the tourist number is going down steadily. Why? Because other countries are more safe, for example Laos, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia.

Thank you - agree 100% - you are confirming my points as stated in # 85

Yes I really think they are -----but---. Lets face it,if they can easily come up with evidence that suits them for any particular occasion,and if they can persuade people that they are doing everything right,or if they can use the law that somehow will put them in a good light,then I sometimes think that maybe they have just learned to be very clever.I also believe that the old saying "time is a good healer"plays a big part in all these episodes,and even if the police have made the odd "blue",it will be all forgotten in a few months time and the most important thing is that the tourists will have forgotten it too,and all the people will be back to normal and earning lots of money again. What a happy ending !!!!!

I don't agree with most of your reasoning,I'm afraid. First of all, I think that quite a few recent events have shown that they can come up with "evidence" that does the exact opposite of showing them in a good light.

It shows them as "trying to be very clever" which is not quite the same! Also the old saying "time is a good healer" does sometimes apply, but there is another saying, which I believe was used by Japanese POW's - "We can forgive, but never forget" (In any cases I know of, or heard of - neither applies) People still remember the Chiang Mai murder, the New Year's Eve murder on Koh Samui, and will remember them for many years to come, and even more so the recent murders on Koh Tao. The current tourist figures show it (although the inability to acquire travel insurance during martial law may have a bearing), but in general, prospective visitors will take one nor two things into account when choosing their holiday destination, and one of these is primarily safety. For instance, who in their right mind would take themselves and their family to a war zone for a holiday? I am not saying that Thailand is a war zone (yet!) but people do remember negative publicity, and the above, combined with the strong baht, (why?) the closing of the Airport by protestors, the violence and deaths in the streets of Bangkok (caused by both sides) during political protests, the seemingly never ending occasions where "connected" Thais seem to be able to attack and even kill people with impunity (Red Bull heir) - these all serve to make people inclined to think that Thailand (and not just Bangkok) is quickly becoming a destination that is not safe, and getting less so by the day. There are also various other compelling reasons why tourists are opting for other destinations, but they are "off topic" and mostly covered already, (corruption, the farang always wrong in an accident, different pricing for Thais and farangs everywhere, unreliability of information etc etc etc) but even if the visitor is prepared to accept the "covered already" topics, if they don't feel safe, they aren't going to come! My final point is that a few years ago, people used to return to Thailand year after year for their annual holidays, and recommend it to their friends. This doesn't happen much anymore for all of the above reasons , but at the risk of repeating myself, it's because they don't feel safe anymore. Rant ended! (Temporarily!)

and why would they walk free, i did not see the reason ?

victim, perpetrator, killers.... knife ...

Thai - not Burmese or Farang?

Crocs management and cleaning rota. VERY IMPORTANT.

After just a few days the toe jam accumulates and needs to be neutralized. The smell is overwhelming within three miles downwind.

So, I developed this unhealthy method using acidic toilet cleaner. You know that pink Makro stuff that burns your face off when it splashes during a pan scrub.

Anyways . . . some kind of dangerous exothermic reaction with the toe jam occurs and and bathroom fills will noxious gas. But the Crocs come out like new.

Very effective.

No socks.

Pardon me, but what has this got to do with the weather? "Crocs" "Toe jam" Do you put the jam on your toes to attract the crocs, or repel them as the smell seems to be "overwhelming within three miles"?

Which immigration office was this?

Went this week to Kap Choeng just normal requirments

What ? no bank statement required ? no 2 inch photo instead of the normal passport photo ? When i did mine two weeks ago i had just returned from Bangkok got my brand new passport and a letter from the embassy confirming my income from my pension and then out of the blue they want a never before asked for bank statement, for what,when i have already shown them that i have enough income ?

Which Immigration Office?