Si Thea01

2 hours ago, amykat said:

 

The 10K baht according to this article, was only to pay the boy's hospital bills.  So he was only paying for damages he caused.

 

No damages for pain and suffering or punitive damages in this 10K.  The family got nothing.

 

The man got a punitive fine of 3K baht from the court.

 

Under Thai law they do  not take into account pain and suffering, only the degree of damage sustained in the attack.  Unfortunately, it is nothing like western law.

Was of previous good character.  Just hadn't been caught before would be more like it.

45 minutes ago, pookiki said:

Daily regime exercise -- slam the media, jump on the media, hammer the media, and kick the media. In their spare time, round up the media for some much needed attitude adjustment.  Oh, I forgot knee-jerk reactions!  Still haven't seen a picture of Prawit at the exercise sessions!

Are you blind or not wearing your glasses?  Who is in the picture and leading the exercise?  And yes, the media needs all the kicking they can get.  I am tired of trial by media, government by media, elections by media, they are just a pack of prima donnas, who cannot find it in their DNA to report good news stories or if they  do, they change it around to make those who are trying to do good, look bad.   Yes, round then all up and give then a few lessons in attitude adjustment, they certainly need it. 

3 hours ago, jerojero said:

Perhaps the PM ought to spend his precious time on more important issues of reform, such as RTP and Education. Acting more and more like a typical politician with feel-good initiatives, while ignoring fundamental changes needed in his society.

Maybe if you spent some of your precious time trying to find out what the PM has instructed Departmental heads to implement within the RTP, education and heath departments, then maybe we'd see some praise instead of criticism.  He delegates, as do all world leaders, CEO's, Managers and foreman or aren't you familiar with the chain of command?

Changes are a coming in many departments, especially education, police and medicine.  How do I know, my wife is teacher, her brother a doctor and his son is a police officer at RTP headquarters, Bangkok.  it's funny you know, these people do talk and those of us who care to listen, learn and understand but also realise that it will take time.

And if he sets aside a small time slot and wants government officials, who sit on their bots most of the day, to get off it for a whole 1.5 hours, once a week, then why howl him down.  It is obvious that he is concerned about the health of the workers so why the bagging.  I know, some people and the lefty press are never happy unless they start their day criticising others.  And here we are, It only took two posts for him to be criticised, almost a record I'd say.     

23 hours ago, Chip Allen said:

We like the low cost of living. We DON'T like the constant change in rules and the inability of Thais to understand simple economics. Take the money and get the HELL out of our lives.

We all like the low cost of living but who really cares about the rule changes.  Does it really affect you, hasn't affected  me.? So what do you do different that seems to cause you grief?  I pay the required amount of money once every 12 months, they see me every 90 days, at no cost, and the rest of the time there is no type of infringement of my personal liberties, never has been.

I would say that economics is understood by a lot more Thais than you give credit to so one shouldn't generalise.  And why are you saying to get the hell out of our lives?  They only come into mine 5 times a year, a grand total of about 2 hours out of 8760 and they are always courteous and have a smile on their face every time. Absolutely horrendous wouldn't you say?   

52 minutes ago, FredNL said:

It is also illegal for foreigners to loan money to Thais.

 

For Thai is receiving money is NOT illegal. Paying the money back makes is illegal.

My wife, who is Thai, found your comment amusing and completely false.  She stated that the only thing illegal, if not an illegal money lender and charging exorbitant interest, is if they don't pay it back, which is stealing.  I see that many on here have been touched by the latter.  There is an old saying that you never lend money, your car or your wife, it creates problems all round.

2 hours ago, nongsangcity said:

give your local hospital or clinic a go......my tablets are 30 baht for 2 months supply....but iam on the 30b scheme without the scheme the tablets are 300 b....for 2 months

I've already tried that, to no avail.  Unfortunately, I am not on the 30 baht scheme, so miss out all ways.  Happy that it's only costing me almost half of what I used to pay.  Thanks anyway for the information.

3 hours ago, glegolo said:

I think that in order to be able to buy medicin at the public hospital, you need to be treated by their own doctor, who then can prescribe medicin to your liking hopefully..

 

So go there, sign up for the doctor, and you are good I guess, that is at least how it worked for me when I now have transferred myself FROM treatment and medicin at BKK hospital in Khorat, to the public hospital in Chaiyaphum.

 

My total savings for my medicines is about 40.000 baht if compared between the pharmacies and the public hospital here....

 

Glegolo

Thanks for that.  Will give it a go next visit.

14 minutes ago, tandor said:

...there appears to be a large gap in the fence/wall to the left of the gate...hmmm.

Pedestrian gate, possibly locked at the time.

14 minutes ago, jonclark said:

Sorry to sound negative. But, what exactly are these efforts - I have seen no evidence of what they are and how people are meant to participate in them?  

More cars on the road, greater demand for tech goods and shopping malls that use more electricity than entire provinces. The public are participating in these efforts, that''s for sure.

Given the photo and these sterling efforts by the public is the aim to raise temp  by 2 degrees? 

Maybe they want the 66  million citizens to stop breathing for a day, that will cut down on the CO2 emissions and the population as well.  They really have no clue and are just allowing the globalists, who are leading them by the nose. It will just end with the 

1 minute ago, glegolo said:

You should ALWAYS try to stay away from buying the medicin at the private hospitals. The order of expensive medicin in general, for me here in Chaiyaphum, starting with expensive down to dirt cheap, my list is;

1. private hospitals extremely expensive

2. clinics - somewhat expensive

3. pharmacies - somewhat cheap

4. public hospitals - really cheap..

 

So take the recepy or list from your doctor and do purchase elsewhere when you are in that rivate hospital. That is my recommendation at least.

 

Glegolo

Agreed there. I have a certain blood pressure tablet, private hospital cost for one month's supply, B2500, a local drug store, B1400, big difference.  I haven't tried to obtain it from a government hospital, will ask next time but I do know that what I require is restricted and not obtainable by most drugstores.  Took inquiries at around 15 stores before I found one that was willing and able to acquire the product for me. 

Experts?  X the unknown factor followed by drips under pressure telling others what to do but never adhering to what they preach.

13 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Actually was not addressing your recent experience which seems to have been good but trying to let readers know that there can be a great deal of difference and being a teaching hospital does not mean all will be well.  Nor was I singing praise on any special private hospital (experience can be good or bad anywhere and to a large extent that is the specific doctor - and some of the best work in government hospitals).  I and Thai wife have both had experience in government hospitals and have made the choice to avoid if able in the future.  But when cost is a factor they become much more attractive.  FYI two SIL were senior nurses in major government hospitals so have a bit of background data.  

 

As for insurance mine is unlimited so cost not a factor and I recently tried to use a government hospital due to recommendation of the doctor/team - it did not work out as operation was canceled as I lie on the OR table due to shortage of required ICU room and next chance would have involved another 3 month wait with stage 2 cancer.  I consider my initial wait (and other doctors confirm) a mistake and would not do again.  Unfortunately long waits can be a major disadvantage of the government hospital system. 

Sorry to see you have had some bad experiences in a government establishment but as I said, that has not my been my experience.  However, I will tell you of my experience in a so called highly rated international private hospital, no names, no pack drill but it is an going saga now in the courts.

Went in just under three years ago for nasal polyp removals, the doctor, an ENT specialist, removed them alright but in the process damaged the intraocular  muscles in one eye, so badly, that they actually retreated back behind the eye and could not be retrieved. The latter was not discovered until just over a month after the event.

In there for 4 days, discharged and within one day, after falling foul of post op complications, I was rushed to the emergency section of a large regional government hospital, however, after three days, and being unable to establish the full extent of my medical condition, I was rushed to the University hospital that I previously mentioned.

I was admitted within an hour an remained there for two weeks, no wait, a private room, the full service.  At the time of my initial discharge I looked as it I had gone 20 rounds with Mohammed Ali, I could not open my eyes at first but then only one and my head was swollen to the size of a soccer ball and it was black and blue all over and there was bleeding in one eye.

After many, many tests, it was established that I had double vision, the damaged eye was 65 degrees off centre and although being able to see out of it, it was only to the right so the good eye compensated for this and actually took over and the other eye became non-functional. After one month and an MRI, which discovered the extent of the damage, it was arranged that I wait 6 months, just in case the eye rectified itself, but when this did not occur, what followed was three separate operations in an attempt tp restore my sight to normal

Unfortunately, this did not occur and now almost 3 years down the track, I have to wear an eye patch to be able to get around safely, my quality of life has been seriously curtailed, as has my driving, and I remain at home, like a bloody hermit, because of this monumental stuff up.  The doctor who performed the initial operation was advised, however, did little to help but when I later spoke with him he said he would request the hospital pay me compensation and despite both of us speaking with the board they tried to squib and not do anything, hoping the time of 12 months would expire so as to prevent me claiming through the courts.

I got in one week before this happened and now they are playing silly buggers, offering crap amounts, then withdrawing, then coming back with lower offers, knowing that I will not accept.  I have a very strong case and believe I will be successful, however, whatever the court awards, they can appeal, and it the appeal is dismissed, then they can appeal this to the Supreme Court.  Could take anything up to ten years and maybe I will have fallen of the perch by then, at least that's what I think they are hoping.

And the best part of it is, when I obtained copies of the original hospital's records, I discovered that they had known about there being possible eye muscle damage after one day, when the eye specialist examined me, and yet never disclosed this to me.

So, so much for private hospitals or at least this particular one, one monumental case of medical negligence, clearly an attempt to cover up the doctor' actions,  which tells me that they do not care one iota, all it is with them is a money making scheme where they charge like wounded bulls and really have little, if any, compassion and want to get out of paying any type of reasonable compensation.

12 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

12 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

 

 

And AhFarangJa replied:

 

"Excuse me, But While I Sympathise with the young Man, and I wish him a speedy recovery.....In your Quote......why do Burglars need protection..........screw them for trying to steal what I work hard to get". 

 Like th

• I agree that it is hard to feel much sympathy for burglars when they get hurt  doing a job, but  surely you do not support the farmer who recently electrocuted three young men who were trying to steal the fruit off his trees?  As far as I know, the death penalty does not apply to theft and certainly not before a fair trial.

 

 

 

And AhFarangJa replied:

 

"Excuse me, But While I Sympathise with the young Man, and I wish him a speedy recovery.....In your Quote......why do Burglars need protection..........screw them for trying to steal what I work hard to get". 

 Like th

• I agree that it is hard to feel much sympathy for burglars when they get hurt  doing a job, but  surely you do not support the farmer who recently electrocuted three young men who were trying to steal the fruit off his trees?  As far as I know, the death penalty does not apply to theft and certainly not before a fair trial.

 

 

Please, if you want to compare do so with apples and apples, not bananas and oranges.  The last part of your statement is asking another poster if he condones murder or at the very least manslaughter.  I'd doubt that very much and what he asked is quite legitimate, why do burglars need protection?  and if they are foolish enough, then as he says, screw them.  The onus is on the thief to look after himself, however, given how the nanny states are developing in the west, everyone has a duty of care for the crook and there is little, if any, sympathy for their victims. 

29 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Perhaps in your eye - not in mine.  Private hospital always allows choice of doctor and treatment in a good facility will be good.  A teaching hospital will have most actual hands on done by less experienced student doctors under supervision of head of the department and facilities may be less than ideal.  If you have good insurance it will reimburse for good care - but agree many people do not have and it can be difficult to obtain when in older age brackets so use of paid government facilities is a great help to many or us. 

And how do you know what this hospital offers, you have no idea because I have not identified it so away you go and generalise after assuming what occurs. The doctor who operated on me was the head of the department, a professor, who gained her qualifications in both Germany nd America and travels overseas regularly to gain further experience.  She teachers those who go out into the field after their internship so I'd say she was a pretty good choice and it is not the students doctors involved as you state.  Each person involved was fully qualified, the doctor, the anaesthetist, who is also a specialist and the nursing staff. Maybe interns get involved in minor surgery but when it's major, the head specialist takes over.

The facilities there are as good as anywhere else, but it is the person that one has to rely on for their experience and expertise in using those facilities.  So unless you know the hospital that I am referring please stop with the assumptions as you really do not have any idea of what is provided there.  I've already stated that I have insurance but like all policies, they have limits on what they pay out but with private hospitals I have yet to find one that stays within the confines of what the insurers reimburse.  And sure, if people cannot afford insurance or cannot obtain cover owing to their age or pre-existing conditions, then the best avenue is to head of to one of these government institutions where they will still get the best treatment available.

Even if I didn't have insurance I have the funds to meet any emergency so I do not fall into the poorer person category and the reasons I will continue to use the service of this particular University Hospital is because of the care, compassion, service and facilities that they offer.  Just because it is a government complex it does not mean they can't provide as good a service, if not better than your highly praised  private hospitals.  And given it is a teaching hospital it has all the facilities that one may need as they get older without having go outside the confines of this particular organisation.

I've got insurance but a private hospital will charge well and truly above what the insurer reimburses.  B150k plus.  had three 3 operations in a large government teaching hospital, the cost, with a private room and good food, around B70K all up.  Will never go to a private hospital again, especially when you can get better treatment and operated on by the head of the department.  

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

How about saying nothing if there is nothing constructive to say that is relevant to the subject? Jeez, it's like two five-year olds fighting in the playground.

A certain few on here cannot help themselves, just follow them and you will see.  One has to wonder how they survived kindergarten, let alone the real world. 

1 hour ago, onthesoi said:

 

Says the guy who was using a glass of water and some ice cubes to model the melting of the worlds ice.

 

 

It seems Nasa have also abandoned 'true science'.

Who to trust? An organisation who put a man on the moon and a robot on mars... Or some idiots on Thai visa who would fail an elementary, high school science class.

A leading NOD I see and one that has to resort to calling others with opposing views idiots.  A true gem of a person.  At least ice cubes in a glass of water is more realistic in regards to floating ice than the models and other aspects you so fervently deny.  We only deny he BS and scams, not many other matters that we realise are real and are capable of being rectified by man.  We do not resort to scaremongering, or calling others names, unlike yourself and some of you high priests.  

1 hour ago, nosatisfaction said:

 

5555555, how much is your rate ? 1000Thb on 10000Thb in 1 month!!!!!!!!! Good samaritan. 10% a month= 120% a year, worse than any Bank

 

Why are you taking the mickey out of him?  He clearly stated that he asked no interest and when they pay him back they give a small extra payment (singular), not payments (plural) over a month or so. It appears that this is the borrower's gesture, not the lender's stipulation.

Now, if the loan is paid back in one month, that equates to 10 percent but as he wasn't clear as to the actual length of time, it could be even less,  like 5 percent for two months, so stop lambasting someone when you do not know all the circumstances.  And after all he is the one who is taking the risks and could well run foul of the law.

He never mentioned anything about 12 months, that's your assumption.  And why do people go to others for a loan, it's because the banks will  not lend such small amounts and if they did those who are borrowing, given the difficulty here in Thailand in obtaining a loan, they would never get one.

1 hour ago, JDGRUEN said:

 

What has been going on with the Earth's Atmosphere for 3 billion years IS what is going on with the Earth's Atmosphere NOW and is the primary force 99.9% of the active climate change .. The effects of humans on climate change is less than 1%... and cannot easily be countered by humans without totally unbalancing the economic systems of the entire world and even then the net reversal would be hardly measurable.

 The effects of the Sun, Cosmic Rays, The Moon and Tides and Volcanoes and many other Natural Occurrences is the driver of nearly ALL aspects of Climate Change... You have it backwards and only parrot the hard core control freaks who call themselves scientists.  To say that the hugely dominating natural occurrences of 'mother nature' is not relevant to the discussion is a ridiculous statement of sheer arrogance and is part and parcel of why the Anthropomorphic cause of Climate Change FAILS totally.

NATURAL OCCURRENCE DENIERS - NODs --- Are nothing but Control Freaks who want to micromanage the activities of humans because such mania is embedded in their Liberal/Leftist/Progressive brains..     

 

What a great call: did you term that word, (NODs) if so congratulations, if not, it is still a brilliant call.?   Why is it that many can see and have known this for years, yet others, who are not unintelligent, cannot and go on with all the hype about the doomsday predictions, which have, time and time again, been proven to be false by true scientists.

We accept that man has to clean up his act in many ways but we do not lie or fabricate to get our points across, we do not twist the data, make models that can be manipulated to give falsehoods, we rely solely on true science to prove that we are being sold nothing but a money making scam and the NODS cannot see this.

I've often heard that GW, CC, the Ozone layer (CFCs scare) CO2, carbon or whatever else they want to call it after they change it when caught out, is the new religion.  Then the models must be the false gods they worship.  It's such a shame that there are so many gullible people who allow themselves to be hoodwinked by others who are living the high life, growing richer and richer everyday through their doomsday prophecies and appear to give one thought or show any concern for their fellow man.

There are even some on here who are advocating that the world would be better off with a reduced population.  I wonder how they contemplate achieving this, their explanation would be most interesting? Again, a good call and done without any form of denigration.

Given the style of his home I'd say he's been doing quite nicely in his little enterprise. Greed brings down many so given what it is alleged he could be heading for one big fall. The part of it being illegal for foreigners to lend money is incorrect, you can, if you're game, it's just the illegal loan sharking, the charging of interest and working without a permit that's illegal.  Why can't they provide facts instead of misinformation?  

9 hours ago, Psimbo said:

Yep, because some guy knocking on the door once in a while to check your information is correct is just like Nazi Germany isn't it. Take that huge chip off your shoulder  (unless you have something to hide).

I think on both shoulders.  If they hate the place so much then why do they come here?  The haters are lowering the standards, so instead of whining and denigrating Thailand and its people why don't they just "P Off." 

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

@Si Thea01: Ah okay I see the confusion. I worded that line pretty poorly looking at the quote. The 70 meter number is if the ice melted globally. And as I mentioned there that was not going to happen any time soon. The arctic and Greenland ice is likely to melt though. So those were two separate statements but it was worded poorly and looks like I'm referring to that number from Greenland alone. That was not the intention though.

 

4-6 meter rises is what we will likely be facing. It could be much worse than that though. Greenland alone could contribute more than 7 meters if it completely melts.

OK JC, I just didn't want you to think I was quoting you incorrectly.  I'll accept that you could have word it better so that now at least there is no misunderstanding.  However, given we are going around in circles, you one way, me the other, I think it might be advantageous to call it quits whilst the going's good.  Enjoy the GW, I'd rather it be hot than freezing over, which apparently we are over due for.  Just hope it's not in my lifetime. Have a good one.

3 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

4 hours ago, jcsmith said:

If the ice caps and ice on Greenland melted we'd be looking at a 70 meter (230 foot) rise in global sea levels, not exactly an ice cube in a bathtub. That probably won't happen and certainly not any time soon. But what is likely to happen is that the Arctic and Greenland ice does melts, and if that happens we are looking at anywhere between 4-6 meter (13-20 foot) rise of sea levels. That would wreak havoc on many coastal cities. In terms of the U.S. we're talking about New Orleans, Miami, New York (not New York city but the coastal areas),  and the bay area seeing large parts of them being submerged. I think anyone who has been to the beaches here in Thailand realizes what it would do to many of them.

 

JC, that is not what you said, I am not misrepresenting you, it is clearly stated in the first four and a bit lines of your post some 4 hours ago. You said 70 metres and referred specifically to Greenland, however you did quantify this by saying it probably won't happen. I'd bet my sweet nelly that it won't. I do not make it a habit of twisting things around or reading something into a aspect that does not exist. You then go on to incorporate the Artic and Greenland together and then reduce the sea level rise to between 4-6 metres.

Now in the current post you're saying if all the ice, world wide, melted, than it would equate to the 70 metres but in the case of only Greenland, it would rise only about 7 metres.  A big difference  JC, we can't have it all ways. 

I don't know why you brought Clutch in on our debate.  He has his own views, some I agree with, like yours and some I don't but I have not felt any need to discuss this particular matter with him, just yourself and a few others so what is the purpose of this introduction.  Again, it is my opinion that there is nothing dangerous about CO2 but you have your beliefs so be it, and obviously nothing I will say will change that.

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

@Si Thea01: People have money they like good views. It's why people a large percentage of the worlds populations live in coastal areas. I mean let's take us as an example. Of Thailand I prefer Phuket because the beaches of the nice beaches. By the time Phuket sees serious issues from this, I'm probably not going to be around. So buying a home there won't really affect me. It's our children and grandchildren that will bear the brunt of us ignoring the signs of nature.

As for timelines, it's impossible to pinpoint exactly. It was estimated that at 400ppm Greenland could lose between as much as 40% of its ice level it could result in a 3 meter sea level rise in the next 400 years just from Greenland. Here's the problem though, we're already at that. And the CO2 levels have risen by 90 ppm since 1950 and as you can see from the image above it is not slowing down, it's speeding up at astronomical rates, and is directly as a result of man. And here's the thing, the higher it gets the faster it melts, it's not like another 100ppm is going to accelerate this by 20%, it will be by a greater number. The worse it gets the faster it will accelerate. It will likely melt fully, it's just a matter of when. And that will be decided by how mankind responds to the issue. That's not scaremongering, it's trying to reach people to make them understand the seriousness of what we are doing to the environment.

JC, I was referring to you alarming statistics on how much sea level is going to rise but now you have reduced that to only 3 metres.  That's a huge reduction to what you initially claimed.   I thought it so horrendous that I was thinking of going out and buying a house in the mountains, at least 700 metres above sea level. But given it hasn't risen much in the past 100 years, between 0.8mm to 203.3 mm, you would hardly call that  a devastation of the land, so I've put off that idea.

Now, according to you, it has jumped past the year 2100 when we can expect the sea to swallow the land to about the 2500 and only could result, not will.  And to be sure, to be sure, neither of us will be around then and given all the ill predictions arising from the USA Elections, none of may be here if we accept some soothsayers and their allegations of poor old Donald hitting the button.  I think we on the non-believers' side accept that there is pollution and things that need to be corrected that man has carried out, very foolishly, however, it ain't CO2 that's the problem despite all the facts and figures you want to quote.