konying

We will have to wait and see, no point speculating what the "rules" say because if you ask any lawyers or accountant in Thailand, they do not have a clue what the actual regulations would be.

what part of

engaged in cross-border trade and investment related activities

is it the lawyers don't understand?

You would need to consult them which part they do not understand

As a farang, it is advisable to avoid litigation in Thailand. The deck is stacked against us.

Most Thai defendants in civil cases are judgment-proof... if they aren't when the trial begins, they will be before it is over.

Bullshit!

A friend of mine, a foreigner sued a Thai for unpaid work and won.

Another friend, also a foreigner, sued a Thai for unpaid rent and broken contract on commercial property, 3 years in court and also won.

I sued biggest bike retailer in Pattaya and won. Ok, i did not win the full amount i wanted, but won enough to satisfy me

I guess an important question would be....

In each of the three cases you mentioned above, what percentage of the ultimate judgment actually received got eaten up along the way in terms of total attorney, court, police and other related fees?

It might be great to receive a 100,000 baht judgment against a defendant after three years in court, but not so great if the total fees and costs to get to that point almost equal the judgment received.

My case, all costs covered by defendant.

First case, cost him 20K in total, to recover 80k

Second case, i am not too sure on costs, but according to him, legal(lawyer) fees covered by defendant, not too sure about court fees

To your last question about ASEAN.

What measurements? simple logic and common sense.

More people come over to work, more people free to move around= more property is needed for them to live, unless you think they would be living under palm trees:lol:

Prices decreasing at the moment, because its a low season. Check the price of the same condo in 6 months time.

Pattaya rentals have gone up

the reality looks different:

Free flow of skilled labour

In allowing for managed mobility or facilitated entry for the movement of natural persons

engaged in trade in goods, services, and investments, according to the prevailing regulations of the receiving country, ASEAN is working to:

Action:

i. Facilitate the issuance of visas and employment passes for ASEAN professionals and

skilled labour who are engaged in cross-border trade and investment related activities.

in other words... the expectation "more people to move around" is just a lukewarm fàrt as nothing will change to causing any measurable impact.

We will have to wait and see, no point speculating what the "rules" say because if you ask any lawyers or accountant in Thailand, they do not have a clue what the actual regulations would be.

As a farang, it is advisable to avoid litigation in Thailand. The deck is stacked against us.

Most Thai defendants in civil cases are judgment-proof... if they aren't when the trial begins, they will be before it is over.

Bullshit!

A friend of mine, a foreigner sued a Thai for unpaid work and won.

Another friend, also a foreigner, sued a Thai for unpaid rent and broken contract on commercial property, 3 years in court and also won.

I sued biggest bike retailer in Pattaya and won. Ok, i did not win the full amount i wanted, but won enough to satisfy me

Just like with any other country, if defendant is not worth a baht, you can not get water out of stone.

However if he/she has something in their name, then yes you would be able to get paid.

However again, unlike courts back home, where Sheriffs can go to defendants home or office and seize items worth amount owed, in Thailand it is a much more difficult process, as more court dates would be needed to issue such an order and then coordinate it with police(where some donations would be needed) for them to act

Politically unstable, corrupt country with archaic laws.

I'd think its in the best interest of ex pats to keep assets in the west.

Everyone needs a home but considering the limitations here, isn't it better to avoid tying up large amounts of capital you'll possibly never realise?

Each to their own but I've met several who wished they didn't buy/build the big house.

They want to sell but can't.

Worn out excuses.

With all the corruption and unstable laws and all the rest, hardly anyone was kicked out or had their property taken away from them

Now with ASEAN coming in,there would be more "renters? so expect rent prices to go up as demand will also go up.

If demand for rents go up, so will the property prices.

Thailand has experienced development boom, yes, but once all land is built up, there will be no more new condo's or housing developments.

Anything new would be deep into jungle, outside city circles.

Sometimes have to think 10 years ahead, not just 1-2 year prospects.

It would be interesting to see some real data and statistics in lieu of opinions.

Rents in Chiang Mai appear to be decreasing rather than increasing. I recently spotted a condo, fully furnished with pool, for 6500 baht a month. OK, that's anecdotal.

I'm just wondering if there's some office in the Thai bureaucracy that collects statistics on falang ownership and renting.

There may not be tmany stories of property confiscation, although I understand some Phuket residents had notices to quit tacked on their front doors by a Thai bank after the falang developer flew the coop.I'm sure there are plenty of stories of falangs being fleeced in a property deal with a Thai.

ASEAN? What measurement of increased demand do you have, apart from your opinion?

To your last question about ASEAN.

What measurements? simple logic and common sense.

More people come over to work, more people free to move around= more property is needed for them to live, unless you think they would be living under palm trees

Prices decreasing at the moment, because its a low season. Check the price of the same condo in 6 months time.

Pattaya rentals have gone up

The only historical claim Israel has to that squalid piece of land that has no oil under it is because it was supposedly given to them by the god of Abraham. After the Exodus (zero reason to believe it ever happened) the now free slaves rummaged around the desert for a few decades (zero reason to believe it ever happened) toward land occupied by the Amalekites who were not all too happy about the Hebrew invasion and frequently attacked them.

What ever happened to the Amalekites and why are they not claiming the land as theirs?

Why do not you contact Amalekites and ask them?

Kind of pointless asking Non Amelekites why, do not you think?

Ok a genuine question and hopefully some genuine answers.

All the people who are anti buying and pro renting.

Would you buy if mortgage was available to you like back home? 20-30 year terms with minimum 10% deposit and standard variable rate

Please do try to answer honestly, not just to support your point of view that renting is better

Only if I was able to own the property outright at the end of the mortgage. Whether in one lump sum or payments spread out over 30 years, I am not going to buy someone else a house. Been there, done that in the California divorce game.

You can own condo and after 30 years it would be yours in your name.

House would be in the company name, putting aside all the technicalities with company ownership, in 30 years many laws will change.

Politically unstable, corrupt country with archaic laws.

I'd think its in the best interest of ex pats to keep assets in the west.

Everyone needs a home but considering the limitations here, isn't it better to avoid tying up large amounts of capital you'll possibly never realise?

Each to their own but I've met several who wished they didn't buy/build the big house.

They want to sell but can't.

Worn out excuses.

With all the corruption and unstable laws and all the rest, hardly anyone was kicked out or had their property taken away from them

Now with ASEAN coming in,there would be more "renters? so expect rent prices to go up as demand will also go up.

If demand for rents go up, so will the property prices.

Thailand has experienced development boom, yes, but once all land is built up, there will be no more new condo's or housing developments.

Anything new would be deep into jungle, outside city circles.

Sometimes have to think 10 years ahead, not just 1-2 year prospects.

Ok a genuine question and hopefully some genuine answers.

All the people who are anti buying and pro renting.

Would you buy if mortgage was available to you like back home? 20-30 year terms with minimum 10% deposit and standard variable rate

Please do try to answer honestly, not just to support your point of view that renting is better

Perhaps this demonstration will be a wake up call for Israelis to see the racism in their midst. When people are unjustly persecuted and repressed long enough, eventually they rise up in anger and cry enough is enough.

I didn’t realize just how badly Ethiopian Jews were discriminated against on the grounds of their race. Interesting item in Al Jazeera about the background to the OP

Ethiopian Jews: Not Jewish enough

"My blood is good enough for army service, but not good enough after," shouted a woman at a line of riot police last Thursday in Jerusalem.

"My brother is in Golani [an army unit] and so was I, but I can't get a job; I face racism when I want to move into an apartment," said another man in Tel Aviv on Sunday night.

...more at http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/05/ethiopian-jews-jewish-150504075644608.html

Yeah,nice try.

Its a fact, do some light reading. A huge number of Ethiopians who came to Israel are not and were never Jewish.

People were starving in Ethiopia and Israel open doors for Jews, gave free airfare and start up money.

Many Non jews took advantage of it, many still trying to enter illegally.

A large number of them hardly keep any jewish traditions, because they are not jewish.

Naturally all suffer from generalization.

But even with all that crap, their life's are much better than back in Ethiopia or even better treated than foreigners in Thailand.

If you really want to see discrimination and mistreatment, look at the neighbors where Palestinians are kept in camps for decades and not allowed to leave the camps.

No rights at all, no chance of ever becoming a citizen or perm resident

The opinion of most people who consider themselves as being Jews first and foremost, is that the true Jews are central European Ashkenazi or Sephardic originating from Spain and even those two groups live in separate communities. Other Jews that have different ethnic origins and backgrounds hardly count as being members of the faith with them.

Israel was mean`t to be a land of the free for all those of the Jewish faith with the purpose that they could be practising Jews without restrictions and persecution regardless of race and from where they come from. But just like America, the so-called land of the free, this may sound like the perfect society on paper, but in reality doesn`t work. Both Israel and America are racist societies, it is a sort of unwritten constitutional law where ethnic peoples are placed at a disadvantage.

Grossly incorrect. Many Jews are from Ethiopia.

What OP does not mention is that many who migrated are NOT Jews , but saw it as an opportunity to flee Ethiopia for better life, there were not much options back then.

OP also fails to mention that most crime, including drugs and gangs are also Ethiopian.

Naturally it does not justify police brutality nor racism but it is not without a reason .

Furthermore if you watch the video, it was hardly a beating and Ethiopian soldier refused to follow police instruction.

He was hit once and he did fight back.

It appears PM Netanyahu and Israeli President Rivlin take the matter more seriously.

"Israel's PM meanwhile has met the Ethiopian Israeli soldier, whose beating by police fuelled tensions.

Benjamin Netanyahu praised Damas Pakedeh and said he was shocked by video which emerged last week showing the soldier being beaten by two police officers in a suburb of Tel Aviv.

One of the policemen involved has been fired and the other suspended from the force, Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told the BBC."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32580708

Of course they take the matter more seriously otherwise unrest will continue.

Have you actually watched the video? The "other" one was a volunteer, so suspended from being a volunteer?!

PS. The Volunteer did nothing in the video, but to help restrain and even with 2 of them, they could not apprehend 1 soldier.

If this was a beating as you so hard trying to paint, soldier would have been either dead or in serious condition in the hospital.

Recent events in US are perfect example of police brutality. This is just an excuse for some people

The opinion of most people who consider themselves as being Jews first and foremost, is that the true Jews are central European Ashkenazi or Sephardic originating from Spain and even those two groups live in separate communities. Other Jews that have different ethnic origins and backgrounds hardly count as being members of the faith with them.

Israel was mean`t to be a land of the free for all those of the Jewish faith with the purpose that they could be practising Jews without restrictions and persecution regardless of race and from where they come from. But just like America, the so-called land of the free, this may sound like the perfect society on paper, but in reality doesn`t work. Both Israel and America are racist societies, it is a sort of unwritten constitutional law where ethnic peoples are placed at a disadvantage.

Grossly incorrect. Many Jews are from Ethiopia.

What OP does not mention is that many who migrated are NOT Jews , but saw it as an opportunity to flee Ethiopia for better life, there were not much options back then.

OP also fails to mention that most crime, including drugs and gangs are also Ethiopian.

Naturally it does not justify police brutality nor racism but it is not without a reason .

Furthermore if you watch the video, it was hardly a beating and Ethiopian soldier refused to follow police instruction.

He was hit once and he did fight back.

Change the law.

Drink driving - immediate incarceration!.

Broadcast it so everyone knows what to expect.

Drink..............walk, take a taxi or have someone drive who has not been drinking.

The time for committees etc to mull over road deaths has long gone. IMMEDIATE action is needed.

Waste of time .

Drink driving laws in the west are very draconian and yet people still drink and drive.

Sure not as bad as here but some people just do not think or care

i guess the downside is they were both intelligent to have read Shakespeare

^But is it really yours? Do you hold clear title? Or are you claiming "ownership" just because you gave your money to someone else to purchase property?

Many people claim they "own" it: they "own" their business, they "own" their property. My understanding is that a foreigner can only own 49% of his/her business (some exceptions apply), can NOT own real property (yes, you can own the house, but at best the land has to be leased), and can own a condo 100%. Am I entirely off base here?

IMO, if I cannot own it outright, I am not giving money for it. I will not trust someone to buy a house with my money in the hopes that that person will let me stay. I will not start and finance a business where I don't have 100% control. For me, renting is best. No huge losses if I get screwed.

true but its more mine than when rented

How many people in the West or member of TV owned property outright back home?

Most if not people i know or ever met live with 20-30 year mortgages.

Can understand the 18 year old but what's his excuse at 43?

If short on money and no way to borrow at reasonable rates, then surely buying is not an option.

Personally I made a choice to migrate to this country and despite how locals see me, I like to feel at home.

So to own my own property makes me feel at home.

PS. Mortgage repayments = monthly rentals , so really I am not loosing any money and 15-20 years down the road , I am certain my property would double in value.

I guess both sides, the ladyboys and the homophobes, should learn to exert some restraint.

Wishful thinking I know.

No if you refuse to have sex with another man, than you are not gay, but not homophob

You are both very wrong.

Many straight guys do go with ladyboys (a lot more then real gay men do, that is why the ladyboys are all over the straight bars area's).

I am sure the guy was not a homophobic, just not interested in a pushy ladyboy.

In my book a ladyboy does not classify as a man and I am gay myself and so NOT in to ladyboys.

Why as a gay man would I want someone with a penis, whom looks like a lady, BRRRRRRRRRRR

Sorry to break it to you, but by definition straight guy does not sleep with other guys.

So those "straight" are far from being straight.

Either in the closet or bi

I know this guy, by know I mean see him

On walking street every night.

He is not a small boy and is actually very aggressive towards people even looking at him.

By guy I do mean the ladyboy.

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Mr. Konying,

and bag of rice is not stealing?

Do you posses any common sense at all?

You should ask yourself if you do you posses a sort of common sense at all? My parents in law are rice farmers and they're not thieves.

Once the rice harvest is over, the majority pick chilies for others, if they don't have land to grow them. They earn 2- 3 baht for one kg.

Do you have an idea how long that takes to do that in the boiling sun?

Their life's really miserable. So the guy's really asking you a sincere question: "How much do you now about farming in Thailand?"

Were they or are they forced to be farmers?

What an insane question. They're both nearly 70 and just continued what their parents did.

Would you even have an idea about the quality of the schools in Isaan villages nowadays and consider how schools and life were more than 50

years ago, when they became farmers, then you wouldn't ask such a question.

Right , so once again its everyone else's fault.

SO seeing as their parents were poor they decided to follow the same path?

So when they were poor at 25 they did not think to do something else?

How about at 40?

But its everyone else's fault for their choices in life,

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Do you even understand that there are many people in this world who don't HAVE choices in life? Jeez, are you Mitt Romney or something?

Yeah , the old " I have no choice" excuse for the lazy ones.

Hookers also claim to have no choice, only they must have latest smart phone, make hair in saloon on daily basis and go out drinking with friends.

Everybody has a choice . Yes becoming a doctor may not be a possibility for someone from poor family, but with hard work and persistence their kids have a chance of becoming one.

Be thankful it was from the airport, not to the airport.

I once used them to go to the airport. Bus left 1.20 mins later because "waiting "

All of us almost missed our flights, Management did not even feel the need to say sorry

Hate to say, but Lazada has a few choices at pretty good prices.

Also Chubb has a good choice.

As for being able to carry it, well i got a 50kg safe and i can tell you its not as easy as some may think. 2 people struggle to carry it, so for thief it would not be an easy task

Now the one i got is a scrolling combo, plus a key. Again if i piss the number by a mm, i have to restart again.

Please show me where I have made any sort of claim farmers are uneducated? Your words..not mine..

If my last sentence is the biggest drivel you've ever read in your life, you don't get out much, nor read much.. You clearly don't read anything TAT put out, I've got you well weighed up... you're attempting to flame bait, or troll, whilst constantly bashing Thais...

What is YOUR solution, as you have bashed everyone else who's trying to understand why the country has the highest household debts, the lowest unemployment in ASEAN, and yet the laziest workers in the world according to most of your post.

Educate me, so I stop posting drivel

TAT put out

So the poor farmers are well educated and are business people?

My solution? solution to what?

Solution to stop laziness?

If farming does not pay enough, change jobs,

If one job does not pay enough money, get a second job, have less holidays and do some OT, just like millions of people on this planet do.

Get some skills, stay in the job for long time, show your loyalty and dedication, and rest assured you will not be on minimum wage.

PS. social security http://www.sso.go.th/wpr/home.jsp

Konying, you keep mentioning handouts, is there a welfare system in Thailand that gives out such handouts?

If there isn't why would Thais expect to be given one?

Actually yes there is, you should know, after all you are an expert

Yes, hand outs, there is a good reason why Thaksin was and is so popular with them, or did you miss that decade in Thailand?

You know those populace policies, what did you think it was?

A wage hike without any returns is not a hand out?

How do you think wage rise will affect farmers who work for themselves? and what do you think is going to happen to small businesses when they forced to pay higher wages to same unskilled people who lack not only skills but desire to work and any productivity.

Nope, don't consider myself an expert at all, it seems to be you that is, whilst constantly bashing Thais, but you also seem to be getting away with it, so crack on.

Ah.... I wondered when Thaksin would make an appearance in this thread, it was doing alright up till then.

Sorry, wasn't around for the Thaksin era, but I am around for this one!!

Populist policies? Right... like writing off some farmers debt? Fixed prices for rubber farmers? Promising to make working conditions better? Promising to lower the lottery ticket prices? ...no idea what you mean by populist policies

Again, if there's no social security, I'm genuinely interested in this welfare system, as there's a couple of families in my village who have to send their kids out to earn a wage, and NO they are not on the piss all day long either.

The small businesses will have to do what the Government (Junta) told the rice farmers to do...diversify... reduce overheads, work out an acceptable profit margin, tell me what happens to small business outside of Thailand who have to do the same?

Welcome to the working Thailand,

No social security? what do you think 5% from the employee and 5% from the employer is?

Now that you have clearly shown not to have a clue at all, might be the time to stop posting rubbish

Your last sentence is the biggest drivel i ever read. One minute you claim farmers to be uneducated and the next you start to talk about overheads and profit margins

Could it get any sillier than this