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22 hours ago, partington said:

It is about time you provided some evidence for your claims. The two year period you refer to does not exist, and the word "immediately" in the above quote is unambiguous.

 

I won't contribute any further to this except to say I find your attitude utterly baffling.

Clearly you have managed to avoid any dealings with UK authority and know little about it other than quoting stuff from Google...

The "immediately" is qualified by the stipulation the residency test can be used if deemed necessary (reports I have seen say that over two years away is the recommended starting point).

As I said, I hope it all works out easily for him, but he should be well prepared just in case, after 22 years away.

What is so "baffling" about that?

MY last reply to you too.

23 hours ago, ezzra said:

everybody liked Thaksin Shinawatra

You missed the 2,500 dead and others missing.

 Apart from the quote the rest I agree with

Depends where you are.

Some cities have different dates, so those tourists that have not had enough can spend more money in their province.

4 hours ago, altcar bob said:

Just where does it say 'two years'?    Its all a bloody load of rubbish anyway,some crap over the years,arrested at airport for not informing,  fight for pension   its in there somewhere   crap1 crap crap..and more crap from you      If this guy is ex forces they get priority housing

I don't know the guy. He wants to buy a property, so that is not a problem.

I have read several reports that say the current "away time" to apply the test is only 2 years, and the information people have provided only states that the test might be required in certain circumstances (like his being away for 22 years and no family in the UK etc).

I hope he has the documentation they could ask for if they do ask questions, so forewarned is better than a surprise. Better to sort it out as quickly as possible if the need arises.

The authorities will be as skeptical as I am, why go to live in Lancaster after 22 years in Thailand?

19 hours ago, MrJohnson said:

Plenty of laws. No enforcement.

Well, selective enforcement anyway...

21 hours ago, partington said:

More for other people's reassurance than to convince you, as you are evidently one of those people who are unable to acknowledge an error, this is  the third independent written account of the rules for NHS eligibility and returning from abroad that shows your beliefs are incorrect.

 

It is from Age Uk , the UK's largest charity organisation focused on helping older people. A large part of their work involves giving advice, and this is from their factsheet on returning from abroad, updated in December 2017, that is four months ago. It is in full agreement with the official UK government and  official NHS websites quoted separately before which you also choose not to believe.

 

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/age-uk/documents/factsheets/fs25_returning_from_abroad_fcs.pdf

5 Doctors, dentists and hospital treatment

The UK has a residency based healthcare system. This means provision of NHS treatment is based on being ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK, not on your nationality, payment of UK taxes or national insurance contributions, owning a property, being registered with a GP or having an NHS number.

A British citizen who resumes settled residence in the UK is immediately entitled to free NHS care [my emphasis].

Yes already read that thanks.

The trouble is he will still be subject to the test (if you read the relevant clauses).

The current time period for applying the test for returnees is having been away for only 2 years. Although that isn't mentioned, and doesn't seem to have any mandatory time period, it is the starting point they use so after 22 years they might want to ask a few questions.

Being otherwise self supporting he should pass after handing over financial details, family ties etc, etc.

I hope he is accepted, but they often do not make the process easy.

I'm just warning that he might not find things straightforward as you insist they are.

 Better to be prepared, than listen to barrack room B/S.

On 4/10/2018 at 11:20 PM, Mooner said:

The Thai beer scene is  changing slowly. Cheers have done riceberry, orange and strawberry beer lately.

Beer Lao has entered 7 11. Asahai white is also in 7 abeit expensive.

The new Snowy beer by Singha is similar to Hoegarden.

Support the new options then things may change

Yuck!

ordinarily resident in the UK

7 minutes ago, partington said:

If you are not ordinarily resident in the UK, you are considered to be an overseas visitor and may be charged for NHS hospital services."

This link is either out of date or missing recent relevant regulation amendments or the small print.

Quote: "ordinarily resident in the UK" is the key to this.

If you have not resided in the UK (or EU) for over 2 years (the part missed): "you are considered to be an overseas visitor and may be charged for NHS hospital services."
 

I believe the chap returning after 22 years with no family, residence, or even a library card he might not get the welcome he is expecting from the NHS unfortunately.

Good luck to him.

Anyway, I would be delighted if you are correct.

(I could PM you with an experience I had after returning to the UK after 4 years away.)

23 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

The "headmaster" is actually stealing from the shop, and so are his friends, and have been for decades. They just don't like it when anyone else steals from the shop. The latter is corruption, the former is merely Thainess.

Good point.

Trouble here is who is NOT corrupt?

46 minutes ago, partington said:

You would not be an expat, that's the whole point!

 

When you have moved back to the UK, and can show you have, you are no longer an expat and are entitled to NHS care from day 1. 

No!

The point is if you have not been resident in the UK (or EU) for over 2 years you need to reestablish residency before NHS care is free.

With no property in the UK  and being away for 22 years he will most likely have problems as he will still be an expat in under the rules.

I can look up the regulations, but I'm not about to do that now.

Have a look yourself if you don't believe me. I would be most interested in what you find out to support your claims.

35 minutes ago, partington said:

This is completely untrue. You become entitled to NHS treatment as soon as you become UK resident, however long you have been away and even if you have never paid a single penny in taxes or National Insurance.

The UK NHS is a residence-based, not contribution-based health system.  You are entitled legally to hospital treatment free at point of delivery on the first day of an indefinite long term stay in the UK.

 

A long-term rental agreement, internet contract or driving license with your address on it is enough to prove your residence and therefore entitlement, if you are asked.

 

Just as an addon I agree with Craig krup above, almost every single item I buy in the supermarket  back in the UK is cheaper than Thailand was: a pleasant surprise.

I think you need to check some facts. None-resident (outside of the EU) for over 2 years now disqualifies expats from FREE NHS care.

I do agree that food is no longer cheap in Thailand, but it depends what you eat, where you eat and where you shop.

On 4/14/2018 at 4:11 PM, Rimmer said:

Some flames and replies have been removed

I have been attacked with a knife by a couple of girlfriends here, and not once, but never got stabbed.

Both trying to end a relationship or just for not handing over my pin number and bank card or large amounts of money...

You do a good job trying to keep people on topic, it can't be easy.

This one is tricky!

Still going on out in the sticks of Bangkok suburbs on Sunday (no tourists here).

Only the loud techno/rave noise to endure...

If he paid up all his NI contributions he will be getting a UK pension, which should revert to the full amount when he gets back.

Unless he drinks large amounts of expensive whine (pun intended) the shopping bill should be more in the £150+/month area.

Lancaster is fairly cheap to buy, single occupant pensioner council tax should be discounted and not excessive for a small flat. Renting first is a good idea so you can check out the neighborhood.

Thermal underwear, jumpers and waterproof jackets etc shouldn't cost too much.

Heating and cooking  (gas/electric) could be more if he is used to the warm climate here, it depends on the unpredictable weather. It costs less to stay cool here than warm in the UK.

Taxi home from the pub depends on how far it is (£1+ a mile after the £2+ meter start), and a pint in Lancaster is not much more than many "Irish" type bars charge here.

However being away so long NHS cover is unlikely. The cost of private care is not cheap at his age.

Best of luck to him.

As much as this guy has failed in his pursuit of reform, the system needs a "headmaster" to stop the kids stealing from the Tuck Shop again.

We can only wait and see what happens...

I'm sure somebody else pointed this out before but the story says the pictures were taken 10 days ago so it has nothing much to do with Songkran.

Just another SM prank.

SM is a great invention, makes the owners and a few people lots&lots of money.

There are also some sad cases where young people make embarrassing mistakes (so do old people of course) but the outcome can be catastrophic for their future.

A young girl was elected as the UK's youngest Councillor a year or two ago, but she has since committed suicide after when inappropriate tweets she had made were uncovered.

On 4/9/2018 at 10:47 AM, Thian said:

Who would let their 18 yo daughter go to koh tsao? 

At 18 you cannot stop them if they can pay for the trip.

She is an adult.

I think she is also naive and stupid.

Drugged, P155ED or both it is a tough lesson, but I hope she learns from it.

Good the Phuket BiB found him. I hope he gets what he deserves...

Same old story, different day....

Good to hear he will recover, but if she gets off with a fine (no doubt he will have to pay) he will not have solved the problem.

Stay away from the balcony, and get out of Dodge City pronto mister.

A year or so ago a farang poster on TV told me several times that there is no law here against undertaking.

He was very insistent but wasn't able to quote the specific law, as there might just not be a law against it.

It is really a side issue as almost nobody obeys the law then there is one, and no laws are enforced unless there is money in it.

Then there are new (made up) laws that depend on who the official is you have to deal with.

Connect4 and dart boards to name a couple recent ones.

The whole justice system is a joke.

But I love the weather.

Four days in front of the TV,  stocked up and don't care.

The BiB are not interested in anything that doesn't line their pockets.

If the study had looked at the history of the people that have died it might be more useful to push for further investigation.

Some might make sense, but most are seemingly "mysterious" indeed...

"and jailed in his absence".......

Ah, only in Thailand, just like Toxin, his sister, the Red Bull lad and many others...

Complete nonsense as normal.

On 4/8/2018 at 1:06 PM, nauseus said:

By vaguely defined project, do you mean the EU? Because it was defined exceedingly vaguely by Heath in the 1970's.

 

Everyone wants to be able to trade, including  leavers. That can include trading blocs too. But not political blocs.

 

Leavers voted as they did primarily over concerns about sovereignty, democracy and immigration. With these three lost, or out of control, then the economy is likely to suffer further, anyway. The economy is important but remainers never acknowledge the chance or likelihood of the EU and its economy going down the pan; there is a high risk of this happening. So many leavers feel that, overall, the UK will be better off taking three shakes, washing its hands and walking away from the bog now, especially as it looks like it may well be the last chance to do so like this.

 

Hope you read this, George! 

 

Okay,  yep I read it and agreed with all you say.

Thanks for sending the post number, it makes things much easier.

It is sometimes difficult to catch up when there are so many posts.

Getting things out of context is a problem, but on TV it can just take too much time to read everything.on a very long thread.

We seem to be of very much the same opinion on this subject then.

Cheers

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

Tell you what. Read a few more, then you'll know.

Well I'm as lazy as you are.....

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